Questions about The Trickster
Hello everyone, I hope you’re all doing wonderfully. I have a few questions I’m genuinely interested about so please don’t take it too seriously!
Why does everyone hate him from a survivor standpoint?
I feel like I hear too much about his power being “easy” and how they should nerf him by reducing his knives, or by making them be thrown in bursts. Though it may just be my personal opinion & experience, he’s actually not that hard to counter. I see tons of people try to loop him in the open and not around high areas which results in them being downed. Not to mention, his speed is so slow as well, I was able to get a few loops around a rock haha. Is the hate against him coming from those that don’t know how to effectively counter him or is his power just plain and simple annoying? haha
From a killer’s perspective, why do you hate him?
I feel like I know the answer to this, but I just want to be sure. Is it because he’s not that powerful of a killer, especially against efficient survivors? If you said yes, that’s the exact reason why I’m confused as someone that plays both sides continuously. One side views them as weak, but the other treats them as the opposite.
Why is he being compared to huntress?
I understand in the sense of throwing a weapon to inflict injury, but as mentioned earlier, I’ve heard many say & compare his knives count to huntress and say they need to be reduced like hers. That wouldn’t be a good idea seeing as he doesn’t instantly injure upon one knife and if they did rework his power to work like that, wouldn’t he just be a copy & paste killer? T-T
Final Question: What are your personal opinions on him and if you could rework his power to be more of your liking, what would it be? (there are no wrong answers so be nice!)
Sorry for the long discussion, I just would like someone to enlighten me on this please :)
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I think the biggest reason of this paradoxal hate is how his counterplay is very all or nothing.
Get caught in the open? You're dead. Short loop he can throw over? No chance your screwed.
Find a long wall loop? Suddenly roles reversed completely and Tricksters situation is pretty hopeless.
So survivors getting caught in low loops feel like they can't do anything and tricksters who get to long wall loops feel like they can't do anything
Not sure what you could do to fix this but i feel that plays a big role. Either the survivor can do very little, or Trickster can. Very rarely is it a case of equal oppertunity to outplay the opposition
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As Trickster lover, I think the issue is y any of the things people are actually complaining about. It is more so how the person playing trickster plays that makes people crazy. And those that think he is a weak killer are the ones who don't know how to sue him, and play like how survivors hate.
Many times when going against a trickster, they will camp, and tunnel to get kills. As a survivor standpoint that can be annoying and hard to counter sometimes. As a killer I can see that play style getting stale. If your aim is good and you take your time with either survivor. You can still win even without fancy add on offerings. And the survivors typically have a more pleasurable experience against him Trickster was one of the first killers I've adepted, as he was the only reason I bought DBD to begin with. There is a specific rythem to him, and it takes time to hone it in. This is my opinion. I adore trickster and I don't think he needs to change. I casually play killer and I main survivor.
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I play him a lot. He's fun to use, but I get why players don't like him.
I think survivors dislike him because you just kind of automatically die if he catches you in in the open or out of position. There's nothing you can do if that Trickster can aim. He's also fantastic at camping. His best asset is the ability to snowball around hooks.
He flies under the radar a bit because his pick rate isn't super high, but his counterplay is extremely boom or bust. He's a high A tier killer on Wreckers Yard and a D or F tier killer on Mother's Dwelling or Cowshed.
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He requires a particular type of counterplay so a lot of newer players just get machine gunned by him. I personally just dislike him because that smug little titter he does when he downs someone really gets on my nerves. And in my experience trickster players tend to sweat pretty hard and are often toxic.
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I don't hate Trickster. I actually main him. But I completely understand that him basically having a huge supply of knives to constantly throw seems unfair in some situations, such as being out in the open. However, that is just something that a survivor has to be aware of when they face Trickster. Really, any survivor will go down when out in the open like that, but Trickster has one of the highest time-to-down times in the game in those situations. I still think his throwing style should be a 3-knife-burst throw. For me, that would be way more fun to play as and against. Specifically if they remove the random recoil from it.
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"Why does everyone hate him from a survivor standpoint?"
You were pretty on the nose at the end at that paragraph, and its simply because his power is just annoying to go against. He's other oppressive in certain areas where he's guaranteed to get a hit/down, or powerless. Him being extremely map dependent as well adds to the annoyance, since the same applies.
"From a killer’s perspective, why do you hate him?"
I can't necessarily answer this since he's one of my mains, but I think it boils down to a few things. Firstly, he's not the strongest, and his power is surprisingly difficult to use. Secondly, he might as well not even be playable on controller, the fact that he has recoil just makes the gap between M&K and Roller even bigger and just makes him feel awful on Roller. Thirdly his aesthetic. Because some believe that every killer needs to look dark, gritty, menacing and scary, I think their last pick is going to be the guy in a neon yellow jacket who wields a baseball bat that sounds like a light saber.
"Why is he being compared to huntress?"
Its as simple as they're both ranged killers. I can understand why people compare them, but its like comparing a Rifle to an SMG. They have their advantages and disadvantages, just depends on the range you use them in. As for people saying they should reduce his knives to the same amount as Huntress'... I've never heard this and frankly thats the dumbest thing I've heard all week.
"Final Question: What are your personal opinions on him and if you could rework his power to be more of your liking, what would it be? (there are no wrong answers so be nice!)"
I actually wrote a Trickster rework a little more than a year ago, have yourself a read:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/302442/my-attempt-at-a-trickster-rework/p1?new=1
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Trickster has the lowest kill rate in this game. He needs a rework and BHVR should give to him some love, because, he is so unique, but, everyone, in both sides, suffer with him.
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I dont understand why Trickster is 4.4, OK, range killer, but, range? where?. Huntress can injured or down people across the map, deathslinge can hit people if he catch them with 1 shot, but, trickster? for me, trickster has pottencial for short or short-mid distance. You cant down or injured people far away , is absolutely difficult and unpractical do anything in long distance, you need approach for try something. i agree, BHVR should rework him
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Survivor hate: I personally don't. I'd guess it is because of how fast he's capable of downing people.
Killer hate: I personally used to love him. Then they made him better where he was already good and worse where he was already bad. I didn't play Huntress anymore because the map decided if I was going to get to have fun, and Trickster was getting thrown in that boat so I stopped playing him.
Comparisons to Huntress: This is pretty obvious... yeah? 4.4 killer with projectile attacks who reload at lockers and have lullabies? They're very similar, so of course they'll be compared.
What would I change: Make it so his meme add on memento blades basically reverted his kit to how it was at launch. Except the Main Event changes he got.
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- Because on some maps he basically has an uncounterable chase power, he is similar to old legion in this regard.
- Personally i hate playing as him because he is the most inconsistent and frustrating killer to play. Getting 5 hits and running out of knives is peak trickster frustration
- They are both ranged killers and huntress does the job better at medium range and long range, trickster is decent at close range.
- I don't know what new power i would give him but personally i kinda wish he was a melee based power. Or he is 4.6m/s at least.
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I'm just gonna skip the first one because I don't play survivor. But if i had to guess, it's probably because of those situations you'll get into where his power is dreadfully annoying to face.
Now, why do I hate him? Well I don't hate him, I dislike him. But I don't hate him, that spot's reserved for skull merchant. First off, I don't like his design, I don't get on DBD to play as an edgy k-pop star that throws knives that look like they're made out of plastic. I don't like his lore much either, not my thing. But design and lore are subjective things, so everyone's gonna have a different opinion on them. Anyway I just hate his gameplay, playing as him feels tedious and clunky, in most situations his power is dreadfully weak. And in the situations where it's very strong, I don't have fun as it just feels unfair. Why would I ever want to play as trickster when I can play as huntress? Who's much stronger, has a more reliable power in all situations, is a lot more fun to play. And has a design and lore I actually like. To me, he's just walmart great value brand huntress and that's all he's ever gonna be.
Why is compared to huntress? They both throw weapons that hurts the survivor, they both move at 4.4 m/s, and they both have a lullaby. And huntress was the first ranged killer, most new ranged killers are gonna be compared to her.
Now how would I fix him? I don't know, I'm not a game dev. And honestly i don't have enough experience with him to be sure, now I've played my fair share of trickster, but I played just enough to know that I don't like him. Maybe they could make him 4.6 m/s or remove his lullaby, those are the only ideas I have.
All that being said, if you like him that's great. Everybody can like their own things, I'm not gonna tell people what character from a video game they can and can't like.
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Survivors tend to not like being in situations where they feel like they don't have some sort of control over the outcome of an interaction. Trickster while not being super strong can overcome some of the natural advantages given to survivors and is somewhat an anti-loop killer. There is also the fact that there is a general dislike of the "Death by a thousand cuts" style of powers that started with Legion and has passed onto Trickster. From what I've noticed survivors get irritated being constantly hit, but not necessarily downed especially when you can fall prey to map RNG dead zone where Trickster is arguably at his strongest.
For why I think Killer players don't like Trickster is because he's just not as good as he could be. His power is a bit of a pain to use as you need to treat his knife throwing as if it is a LMG in an FPS to extent. There is consider recoil to mess with aim and since he throws with both hands it can at times be hard to stay centered on target. The keynote part of his power Main Event can often proc when it isn't the most useful. For as strong as he can be in deadzones he sort of gets destroyed on a lot of maps that have primarily high walls or very cluttered terrain.
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Trickster is annoying af to go against as a surv but not usually too leathal.
Now playing as him, well... 🎮
If you wish elaboration on Trickster on console I can provide it, and many already have elsewhere on the forum.
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