Why does Ghostface work and Myers doesn't?
It's widely known that Ghostface and Myers have similar abilities which is to stalk survivors for the ability to expose them.
To first start with Myers, he starts in tier 1 which he has no terror radius or bloodstain, but he's significantly slower than most killers. Myers can stalk survivors to reach tier 2 which makes Myers normal 115% movement speed but with a smaller base terror radius at 16 m. After stalking survivors more, Myers will temporarily enter tier 3 which allows him to insta-down down survivors with his basic attack which has a longer than normal lunge. Myers can also vault faster as well. Obviously these can be influenced by add-ons, but I want to keep tombstone out of the discussion as it's basically a different power altogether.
Next is Ghostface which can of course stalk survivors, but rather than gaining the exposed status effect himself, he can apply it to individual survivors after stalking them. Ghostface can only stalk survivors though after entering Nightshroud which is his power, a power that survivors can expose him out of. The power then recharges to be activates again at will. Ghostface can lean around objects to remain being unseen by survivors, and also crouch for the same purpose like Pig.
Their powers are pretty similar but Myers severely struggles while Ghostface is actually thriving.
I do have my own opinions, but would like to see what the community thinks.
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myer's strength is his ability to 99% his evil within. When Myer's 99% his evil with 2 to go into evil within 3, he gain an expose buff that last 60 seconds.Assuming you successfully down someone in first seconds of EV3, you are stuck in evil within 3 for 59 seconds. Its little bit like turning your power off for 59 seconds. Yes you can hit people while exposed but ultimately your an m1 killer where survivor can utilize pallets against you. The only advantage you gain for the remaining 59 seconds of exposed is that you can camp hooks with instant downs. This is also assuming survivors can loop.
Ghostface applies debuff of exposed for 60 seconds. he gets to juggle his stalk to achieve similar 99% strengths without waiting for 59 seconds to do it all over again.
Myer's is a lot stronger with tombstone piece. He gets more rewarded for 99% EV2->EV3 by instant killing the survivor and he has no down-time in his ability. Tomb piece kicks Myer's out of tier 3 which is perfect. I think it comes down to the fact that EV3 is more negative then bonus power-up when survivor can loop m1 killers. GF still shares same problems as Myer's if you chase as m1 expose killer but at least you have element of surprise on your side constantly.
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In comparison to both Ghostface and Pig, Myers cannot enter his power-based undetectable at a whim, and he sticks out like a sore thumb (being quite tall with a marble white face), making his undetectable less adaptable for environments with low line of sight blockers. And once he enters Evil Within II, he can never re-enter Evil Within I.
On a side-note, while both Pig and Ghostface share the similarities in that their visible profiles are smaller at the cost of speed while Crouched, Pig's is needed to enable her Undetectable, while also enabling her to perform an extended lunge attack. Ghostface's is mainly just about a lower visible profile and enabling leaning on shorter objects.
In regards to visible profile while Stalking, Myers has the largest and most visible profile. Meaning Survivors can notice him stalking much faster.
In regards to Stalking speed, Myers has a range penalty. Compared to Ghostface, if Myers stalks a Survivor at 40 meters, it will take 60s to reach Tier III from tier Tier II. For Ghostface, if leaning, he can Mark a Survivor at 40m in 2.5s.
In regards to Power availability, Myers can only reach Tier III a maximum of seven times in a match, and if a Survivor is Killed with any Evil left to be drained, Myers loses out on a use of Tier III for every 5 Evil lost this way (and loses one use minimum if at least 0.5 Evil is lost this way). Ghostface has no such limitation.
In regards to Lethality, both Myers and Ghostface are able to instadown with their Power. Whereas Ghostface can only instadown Survivors he has Marked, Myers can instadown anyone while in Tier III. Myers also has a 20% increased Lunge distance in Tier III, and Vaults 25% faster. This has a lot of snowball potential if you enter Tier III while stalking a group of Survivors.
In regards to Power duration, the effective exposed duration is the same between both. However the flexibility of all Survivors being exposed is also a weakness when considering the gameplay loop of the Killer Hooking a Survivor, as Hooking a Survivor while the Power is still active is time lost attempting to utilize the Exposed of other Survivors.
My pain points with The Shape are:
- He is punished for clever positioning when Stalking at a distance quite severely as a result of the Stalk speed penalty.
- His Stalk speed penalty being linear based on distance 0m-40m instead of through thresholds make his Power fill-up inconsistent, given Survivors tendency to run, and thus always longer than the minimum 6s.
- He can run out of Evil supply.
- Picking up a Survivor does not stop Tier III ticking down, further wasting his Evil supply.
- He cannot re-enter his Undetectable state.
However my largest pain point is simply the stalk speed range penalty.
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To explain briefly, ghostface moves at 115% while retaining the Undetectable status effect. Even if he doesn't stalk a survivor, he can get an easy suprise hit on them.
Compare this to Myers. He only is Undetectable when moving slowly at Tier 1, and Tier 2 is mostly useless, as you now have a terror radius but are an M1 killer at 110%. On top of this, when 115% you have a massive terror radius.
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Myers has BY FAR the weakest early game of all killers. That is one huge problem.
After he gets out of tier 1 he is a pretty much a normal killer. A 16 metres TR is not enough to make up for the fact that he is a normal M1 killer otherwise.
When Myers reaches tier 3 he will get 1 down at the least (otherwise he'd keep it at 99%). After that though, he has to hook that survivor (10 seconds), walk across the map (10 seconds) to get into the next chase and then make this chase count. As a M1 killer with a longer lunge and faster vault. On maps where survivors will predrop and Shift + W away. He is basically the ultimate M1 killer. In a game where M1 killers are pretty bad.
Myers is trapped in a cycle of stalking, chasing, hooking and map traversal. But all of these things take too much time. How much time in a match does he waste just stalking survivors? Apart from that, he is heavily reliant on survivor mistakes. If survivors spread on gens they automatically counter multiple parts of his kit. He has no mobility, so getting across the map takes a lot of time. Time Myers doesn't have. Also, because the number of times he can activate tier 3 is limited, he has to make every single one count. Otherwise he risks losing his power before the match is over. You won't run out of stalk on survivors frequently. But you will stalk 1 or 2 survivors empty in pretty much every match.
Also, once he leaves tier 1, he is no longer a stealth killer. A smaller TR means nothing when the killer is huge and will be seen everywhere (a white mask and a dark overall will do that).
Ghostface always has his power available. He cannot run out of it and he can even benefit from exposing a survivor he won't chase (i. e. denying unhooks). He can approach survivors without being seen and he can expose survivor faster, more frequent and with less limitations than Myers. The lack of a red stain also means that it's way easier to make a mistake against him than it is against Myers.
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Myers is just too slow.
You start the game with a reduced movement speed and a nonexistent lunge. Then you spend a few seconds stalking someone to become a normal killer and lose your stealth. In this time Ghostie has probably gotten someone Marked or 99ed.
Ghostface has stealth the entire game and can be activated whenever he wants, Myers has it at the start and you want to lose it ASAP.
Myers also has to get a lot closer to stalk because his is slower the further away he is. AND survivors have a stalk limit whereas Ghostface doesn’t.
Ghostface exposes one survivor for 60 seconds whereas Myers exposes everyone for 60 seconds, but you still only get about 1 or 2 downs in Tier 3, so Ghostface still gets there faster and more efficiently.
He spends way too much time trying to earn a power that isn’t even that good. He needs a rework.
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Ghostface works as a stealth killer without his power. Myers is useless without tiering up at least once.
Ghostface can micromanage his stalk among individual survivors. Myers gets a finite number of tier 3's and has to use them at once.
Ghostface has unlimited stalk potential. Myers can deplete his power resource, and potentially cheat himself out of 1/4 of it if he sacrifices an unstalked survivor.
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