I love the Matchmaking lock

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bearr_trap
bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
edited July 2023 in General Discussions

Haven't played the game for well over a week, maybe more, come back - want to see the new bot in action so I opt to disconnect after I complete a gen and perform an unhook, 5 minute penalty. Real neato when before it would start at less than a minute. First match of my day, I might add.

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  • pseudechis
    pseudechis Member Posts: 3,903
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    Yeah but the system doesn't know why you DC'd.

    5 mins appears to be a better deterrent as what you demonstrate here is the lack of deterrent that a shorter lock out is.

    Given the willingness to DC, for whatever reason, based on how short the first lockout timer is.

    Feeling that the lockout is too long is kinda the purpose of the lockouts job, to motivate you not to DC.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    You have something better that you've experienced so far today?

  • brokedownpalace
    brokedownpalace Member Posts: 8,761
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    Unless they recently changed it, the first DC penalty is not 5 minutes. I think it the first is like 1 minute, then 5, then 15, 15, 30, 1 hour, 6 hours, etc

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    I did a double take at the number and immediately lost interest in seeing how well they programed the bots. Certainly caught me off guard.

  • muffinbutton
    muffinbutton Member Posts: 23
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    I don't even understand why, especially now that they have bot replacements, that they have a DC penalty when the game is still in a state where it bugs out people's games to an unplayable state and causes crashes too often.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    In my years of playing this game (The forum account is young, yes) I never started out at 5 minutes, I never started out at 10 minutes. The DC penalty has started at the supposedly minimum of 30 seconds, not 5 minutes. This post would've been the same had it been an hour, or 6 - coming back from a brief break to be slapped in the face with a 5 min penalty was a bit much especially if there was no mention of changes to the penalties itself. I did a generator, picked up two players that were slugged, unhooked a player, took chase several times and remembered the bots were a thing, wanted to see a bot in action. Sure the game doesn't know I wanted to see the bot in action and nor should it, but it certainly didnt need to bump itself up to a 5 min penalty from the start.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    1. I didn't have penalties to the extreme to come back to a 5 minute starting penalty..... 15 minutes at most before I took my break (that started on the 14th of this month and didnt log in until today.) How SLOW is this decay?
    2. I guess bugs will be bugs.
  • jayz666
    jayz666 Unconfirmed, Member Posts: 160
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    Oh yeahhh and the singularity FLOPPPPPPPP boring to play boring to go against I don’t even see singularity’s anymore sometimes once a day if that so 3 of the worst chapters Ever thank you behaviour but you don’t get why someone would want to leave a match do you ?

  • H2H
    H2H Member Posts: 669
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    Oh no the consequences of my own actions!

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 15,671
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    It used to be 5 minutes since the implementation. Then at some point it got set to 1 minute, I think the Servers were not stable during this time so they reduced the Penalty to 1 minute for the first DC to make it less severe if someone crashes unintentionally.

    Seems like they reverted this (and granted, I did only crash like two times over the past months, DBD has been really stable for me).

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    Oh no, are you trying to fluff your post numbers? I didn't expect a penalty, sure but I know its to be expected after one after the other. What I don't expect is for it to be 5+ minutes out of the gate.

  • muffinbutton
    muffinbutton Member Posts: 23
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    Why are people given penalties when the game bugs out and crashes? If the crash report pops up, you would think the game would be able to recognize the difference between an intentional disconnect and a crash.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    See, these responses are appreciated. Responses that aren't here because they've nothing better to do than troll forums posts. It's also one of the more informative posts and I thank you kindly for that.

  • muffinbutton
    muffinbutton Member Posts: 23
    edited July 2023
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    Why would you need downtime after a crash? Especially with the amount of reported bugs causing crashes with this update.

  • Ryuhi
    Ryuhi Member Posts: 3,733
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    The game cant tell the difference between a crash and a disconnect. if it were to exclude crashes, people could just use the og method of pulling their internet connection to force crashes. It sucks but logistically there isnt really a way to differentiate.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    For those who don't play custom matches, that would be considered new. Twisting my words into 'test the bots' is far from how I implied it. If I wanted to 'test the bots' I would've played the PTB and I would've fiddled about with custom matches. I didn't want to 'test the bots' I wanted to "see the new bot in action" as it had been a rather popular highlight of upcoming changes and improvements.


    Let me state, once more, I didn't DC as soon as the match started. I played well into 10 minutes of it before remembering bots were a thing and opted to check it out while under the impression I'd be alright after a two weekish hiatus where, even then, I don't believe I had a penalty that was over 15 minutes per the last time (who knows when) I had DCed (Note: I didnt take my wee break because of a 15 minute penalty, I simply recall that being the most I had prior to the date I started my break)

  • muffinbutton
    muffinbutton Member Posts: 23
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    So when a crash report pops up, the game cannot tell if the game crashed?? Lol. I’m not talking about kicked out to end game screen or main. Full on crash.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,045
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    Because crashes don't JUST occur due to issues with the server. If someone's connection at home is spotty, I would want them to take a minute to check their connection, reset their modem, ect. That's all I'm getting at.

    On the other hand, if the servers are on fire and that's why you DCed... Does it really matter that you can't installing run back into the train wreck? I'd be just doing something else for the night rather than beat my head against a DBD wall.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
    edited July 2023
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    I'd imagine that pulling the cord would boot you back to the black screen, would take a little more time for the net to re-establish itself I would think.

    I've experienced a split second hiccup in connection a time or two and always wondered why when a DC happens you don't see the Killer's perks but the game will show you their perks if a connection issue occurs for the faintest of connection hiccups - just enough to drop you from the trial but not the game entirely.

  • Ryuhi
    Ryuhi Member Posts: 3,733
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    Not necessarily, they would have to set it up specifically to do so. You'd be surprised how crash report systems work, especially when having to account for platforms that don't allow them. Remember, its a console game as well.

  • nars
    nars Member Posts: 1,124
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    Are you... complaining that dcing gave you a penalty?

  • muffinbutton
    muffinbutton Member Posts: 23
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    When I say crash. I mean crash. Not lag out. Not disconnect from host/server. Not esc & leave match. A full on game crash sending you back to desktop/dashboard and sending a crash report. I don’t know when “my game crashed” turned into “oops I lagged out”.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,045
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    I'm not trying to argue or debate. If that's what you want to do... don't bother replying, because I'm not gonna answer beyond this. I was simply stating there is no new bots. They've had these bots in the game for awhile now, they just weren't tied to DCing b4. These are the same bots ppl have seen during the tutorial practice matches and the custom matches. Considering they locked 2 characters behind those practice matches now, it's pretty realistic to think ALOT of ppl have already seen them in action if no other reason than to unlock those 2 characters.

  • Dogma_loki
    Dogma_loki Member Posts: 436
    edited July 2023
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    How about some transparency in regards to what exactly the policy is then? Players shouldn't have to guess what their "penalty" actually is.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    I came to the forums to, more or less, seek out if anyone else who DCed, for whatever reasoning, experienced an unusual lockout timer. In many of my replies and comments before I stated I was gone for roughly 2 weeks and even before then I could only recall having a maximum of a 15 minute timer IF THAT. To come back to a 5 minute timer after playing well into a match and not being a potato in the corner made me raise a brow. Out of many of the replies on here the majority have been less than desirable, others have been of the positive nature and I still thank them graciously for that.


    What's your purpose for joining this wee thread?

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 15,671
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    From my experience, actual crashes because it is the games fault happen very rarely. Most of the time when people crash it is a problem on their end.

    Having some time to fix the issue is better than letting them back instantly. We have posts here on a weekly basis where people claim to be banned for over 24 hours because they crash due to their unstable internet. You have those penalties also so that they can do something about their connection issues instead of just joining the next game.

    And if someone ragequits, it helps to let them cool off a bit. Someone who is angry at the game and ragequits will probably ragequit in the next game if it does not go according to their plan.

    And last but not least, higher penalties discourage a bit to DC in the first place. However, I dont think it should be more than 5 minutes for the first DC (I have seen 15 minutes going around from some people, but this is too much IMO).


    And, to repeat - yes, actual crashes from the game can happen. But as I said, for me, those are very rare. And I doubt I am the odd exception.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    The bots we have now and the bots we had during the tutorial are, while the same, wildly different in the sense that they had to be improved upon before being implemented into the full blown public matches.

    And despite you saying you're not going to answer I'm going to place this one question out there: Why insert your input somewhere in a General Discussion thread if the idea of debating, discussion or even potentially arguing is what will make you flee a conversation?

    I play public matches, I don't play customs, its not unreasonable to think that someone that's been playing for years hasn't gotten to experience the bots in their more pristine form especially when II cant tell you what year I played the tutorial and those bots then were clunky at best.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    There are ample things I'd love to see in the Feedback and Suggestions forums and this is one of the more eye pleasing ones. For those who make it a full blown habit to DC when anyone goes wrong for them it might be a proper deterrent (since I recall someone mentioning earlier that DC penalties are a good deterrent for DCing again) for those who do make it a habit or what have you.

  • TatsuiChiyo
    TatsuiChiyo Member Posts: 687
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    So you DCd for no reason other than to DC, and are now complaining that you got a penalty...for DCing...

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    I'll state the very same thing I stated to someone else:


    I came to the forums to, more or less, seek out if anyone else who DCed, for whatever reasoning, experienced an unusual lockout timer. In many of my replies and comments before I stated I was gone for roughly 2 weeks and even before then I could only recall having a maximum of a 15 minute timer IF THAT. To come back to a 5 minute timer after playing well into a match and not being a potato in the corner made me raise a brow. Out of many of the replies on here the majority have been less than desirable, others have been of the positive nature and I still thank them graciously for that.


    What's your purpose for joining this wee thread?

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,045
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    I don't mind discussing things at all. I'm just not interested in getting into any kind of heated debate/argument. That's how it sounded things were going as soon as I was accused of twisting your words. Something like that, especially online, is generally as conducive as 2 people screaming at a wall and a waste of time.

    If you look, you'll notice not EVERYTHING in general discussions is that. You have plenty of positive interactions on these forums too (unfortunately not as much as the negative alot of times) where people can simply bounce neat ideas off each other or share experiences. I'm all for that. I'm not interested in an internet screaming match. I just figured I'd spare your time by letting you know you'd be the lone participant in any such matches if that's where you were going.

  • MrPsych
    MrPsych Member Posts: 265
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    The bots are there to fill in for survivors rage quitting games or unwillingly disconnecting and not as your toy for ranked matches.

    If you want to see bots in action, play a custom game as killer with bot survivors.

  • ohheyitsbobcat
    ohheyitsbobcat Member Posts: 1,664
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    I'm pretty sure 5 minutes is the norm in most cases. When I have a internet hiccup it's usually 5 minutes, though when I get it sorted and hop on it's down to just a minute or so left.

    I have had cases where I got disconnected like 4-5 times in a row because of server issues but I never got a penalty for those. Other times I've had hiccups and no penalty as well so there seems to be some kind of hidden thing there with how it detects or doesn't.

    Main point though is 5 minutes isn't bad at all. If your internet dies or kicks you then by the time you get it sorted, the penalty is normally done. DCing on purpose and then getting a 5 min penalty to start is also fair IMO. Any less and it serves no point.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    Not a single person in this entire thread mentioned ranked matches, not sure where that came from?

    Gaming is a form of entertainment, a toy in a sense.

    Now again, the bot was a fresh experience for me. A fresh experience in a game where more often than not its the same build being brought in from both sides and scarcely anything new, hence why I'm tickled to experience Sadako in her new light.

    With one bug already noticed, players screaming before being placed on hooks, I questioned whether or not bots functioned in public trials as they were displayed in the PTB or if the bot would even replace my slot in the match.

    Yet again, I raised a brow at a 5 minute (and now that I think about it since I sat around and watched the match a small bit it was likely more than that as I had 5 minutes when I finally tabbed out) timer when returning to lobby.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    That's the thing, I never recall starting at a 5 minute penalty, I believe it was more as when I finally tabbed out of the trial I saw it was 5 minutes and I had lingered a for a few minutes more in the trial to witness my bots actions.


    Someone mentioned transparency on players penalty times which I whole heartedly agree. When leaving a match rather than just have "Are you sure you want to leave this match? Leaving the match counts as defeat." they could add "Leaving the match will cause you to have an X penalty." before you hit the finalized 'Leave Match' prompt.

  • muffinbutton
    muffinbutton Member Posts: 23
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    Been playing since 2016 and today was my first experience with bots as well.

  • muffinbutton
    muffinbutton Member Posts: 23
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    Ranked matches?? Didn’t know those were added in with this patch? Guess Dbd is an esport now with no option for non ranked.

  • muffinbutton
    muffinbutton Member Posts: 23
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  • GentlemanFridge
    GentlemanFridge Member Posts: 5,446
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    What??

    It’s 5 minutes. The starting point of the dc penalty.

    I have no idea what the rest of the thread is going on about and I’m way too far from home to argue with anyone over something working as intended.

  • Zeidoktor
    Zeidoktor Member Posts: 2,057
    edited July 2023
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    So, just to be clear, your break was less than 2 weeks long? And, when you left, your penalties were at 15 minutes.

    I'm with Peanits on this. What did you expect to happen? Even if the decay were a minute that would put you at about a 4 minute penalty (I know that isn't how it works, the point is the break isn't really long enough to expect sufficient decay)

  • GentlemanFridge
    GentlemanFridge Member Posts: 5,446
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    It started with 1 minute, but then was extended to 5 when dc’ing became more common again.

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,704
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    5 minutes is on the generous side imho.

  • bearr_trap
    bearr_trap Member Posts: 120
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    My last match was on the 14th, hadn't been on it since. 15 minutes is the last known penalty I recall all together, not starting the day of the 14th. Its simply the last one I remember having period.

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