SWF is ruining my experience

pallet_eater

And you can't change my mind.

This game was designed so people can't communicate nor play with friends. See @ launch.

weirdkid5

See my petition on the Steam forums which has over 4000 comments, or here on the official forums which strangely stopped showing up on the front page about 3 days after I posted it despite replies, and still will not show up on the front page.

This issue has been beaten into the ground, and honestly nothing short of simply splitting the queues into solo-only players and SWF-only players is going to fix it. I have a pretty good idea that could still allow it to be used in some kind of competitive Ranked mode, but the devs, both Dave and not_Queen have made it quite clear to me that they have no intention in doing jack ######### about SWF.

Poweas

Play Nurse or Spirit they do amazing against SWF. If you still lose then just take a break for a while.

PandaChris

The game was designed to play with friends. If i remember correctly they just didnt have it added for launch but always said there would be a system. The problem doesnt lie with playing with friends, the problem lies with the voice communication software that is used with playing with your friends and that cannot be removed.

I feel when we talk about SWF we need to be more specific though. I feel the issue lies with 3 man and 4 man SWF. But the unfortunate circumstance right now is you either play 1 of 3 killers to do well against SWF or you spend 500, 1000+ hours in the game to get all the trainable perks, have access to them on all killers and the time played provides more access to the better addons more consistently. At this point of course SWF will be slightly easier.

I feel a loose example would be what if there was a killer and entity player in game. This entity player would have his own tasks with slowing the survivors down, maybe he floats around the ground invisible, the details arent really needed here. Now if 2 friends were playing and not using voice communication im sure it wouldnt be that bad. But now if these 2 friends had voice communication and could tell each other where a survivor is, or what gen they are on, the survivors would scream blue murder.

Like or not voice communication does provide an advantage. Whether it is slight or large does have a ton of variables but still it does provide an advantage. I feel the only real starting point is to add a 5th greyed out perk that only activates with 4 SWF. Then go from there and see where the stats take you.

Edit - A quick edit cause i know a counter point will be why should i punished for playing with friends. On the flip side why should the killer be punished by an outside advantage by playing against people who want to play with friends.

And this has nothing do with killers getting 4 kills per game. I think 2 kills per game is what the game should be balanced towards and expected on average.

Broosmeister

You know what ruins the game for me? Waiting hours for lobbies because killers are too pussy to play against swf and dodge. This happens when i play with bad people as well as good people, rank 1, 10 or 15 it doesn't matter. When a killer sees swf they dodge on ps4. All i can say is get good at the game or stop playing, no need to ruin the game for people who already have to wait way too long to find a lobby.

I get that you have the occasional toxic swf group, i get that you dodge when you see 4 toolboxes or flashlights. But me and my friends play normally and respectfully, and when i play killer and see swf i don't dodge and most of the time i win because they are way too altruistic, they swarm you when you try to hook someone so i can hit everyone with sloppy butcher. Sometimes i get 4 people in way higher ranks who pallet loop like crazy and i get absolutely demolished, but life goes on anyway. Stop whining.

altruistic

There’s nothing wrong with playing with friends.

I play against SWF’s all the time as Killer.  

@ launch we would dodge lobbies until we queued into our friends.  We also queued on Toronto’s steam region.  That way we had a community with the ability to queue into one another.

I played some SWF last night.  All of us Rank 5 to Rank 1.  No voice coms.  You know why it’s fun?  Because I know the other survivors are actually good.  It’s nice playing with people who have game sense.  

Vietfox

If swf (an intended game feature) is ruining your experience then go play something else. Why are you still here?

RSB

@weirdkid5 said:
See my petition on the Steam forums which has over 4000 comments, or here on the official forums which strangely stopped showing up on the front page about 3 days after I posted it despite replies, and still will not show up on the front page.

This issue has been beaten into the ground, and honestly nothing short of simply splitting the queues into solo-only players and SWF-only players is going to fix it. I have a pretty good idea that could still allow it to be used in some kind of competitive Ranked mode, but the devs, both Dave and not_Queen have made it quite clear to me that they have no intention in doing jack ######### about SWF.

They tend to hide every uncomfortable thread, don't worry, you are not alone.

ForeheadSurviors

I could say solo survivor is ruining my experience because of boosted people getting to high ranks too easily 

Rebel_Raven

Swf is fine. I understand why it exists.

However the game isn't balanced for the sweaty tryhards, often toxic people that abuse it. 

All i get are swfs now, and all of a sudden, I want more purple moris.
This has certainly rekindled my hatred of the people abusing SWF.
It's all too easy on console.

Master

@pallet_eater said:
And you can't change my mind.

This game was designed so people can't communicate nor play with friends. See @ launch.

Play nurse if you wanna compete with SWF, sadly there is no other way. The official tournament showed this pretty well too

Master

@ForeheadSurviors said:
I could say solo survivor is ruining my experience because of boosted people getting to high ranks too easily 

This is due to rank system allowing every pleb to become rank 1

Fenrir

Broosmeister said:

You know what ruins the game for me? Waiting hours for lobbies because killers are too pussy to play against swf and dodge. This happens when i play with bad people as well as good people, rank 1, 10 or 15 it doesn't matter. When a killer sees swf they dodge on ps4. All i can say is get good at the game or stop playing, no need to ruin the game for people who already have to wait way too long to find a lobby.

I get that you have the occasional toxic swf group, i get that you dodge when you see 4 toolboxes or flashlights. But me and my friends play normally and respectfully, and when i play killer and see swf i don't dodge and most of the time i win because they are way too altruistic, they swarm you when you try to hook someone so i can hit everyone with sloppy butcher. Sometimes i get 4 people in way higher ranks who pallet loop like crazy and i get absolutely demolished, but life goes on anyway. Stop whining.

And lets add swf who think there good and then they get destroyed and ragequit dc because they got down totally good feeling

powerbats

@RSB said:

@weirdkid5 said:
See my petition on the Steam forums which has over 4000 comments, or here on the official forums which strangely stopped showing up on the front page about 3 days after I posted it despite replies, and still will not show up on the front page.

This issue has been beaten into the ground, and honestly nothing short of simply splitting the queues into solo-only players and SWF-only players is going to fix it. I have a pretty good idea that could still allow it to be used in some kind of competitive Ranked mode, but the devs, both Dave and not_Queen have made it quite clear to me that they have no intention in doing jack ######### about SWF.

They tend to hide every uncomfortable thread, don't worry, you are not alone.

Yes because 4k comments on a thread you like is a really good representation of the communities desires let alone actual good ideas.

Now speaking of good ideas do you honestly believe removing swf from the game is a good idea because if you do I've got some beachfront property on the moon to sell you.

Also if you split the queues up you still destroy the game because most of the playerbase is swf so all you complaining killers won't have a lobby.

The issue isn't that they won't do jack ######### as you say but that they won't do stupid things they know won't work. In business you don't destroy your business just to please a vocal minority that has only their own self interest in mind.

Faceless

Play nurse, doctor, hillbilly and git gud.

weirdkid5

See my petition on the Steam forums which has over 4000 comments, or here on the official forums which strangely stopped showing up on the front page about 3 days after I posted it despite replies, and still will not show up on the front page. > @powerbats said:

@RSB said:

@weirdkid5 said:
See my petition on the Steam forums which has over 4000 comments, or here on the official forums which strangely stopped showing up on the front page about 3 days after I posted it despite replies, and still will not show up on the front page.

This issue has been beaten into the ground, and honestly nothing short of simply splitting the queues into solo-only players and SWF-only players is going to fix it. I have a pretty good idea that could still allow it to be used in some kind of competitive Ranked mode, but the devs, both Dave and not_Queen have made it quite clear to me that they have no intention in doing jack ######### about SWF.

They tend to hide every uncomfortable thread, don't worry, you are not alone.

Yes because 4k comments on a thread you like is a really good representation of the communities desires let alone actual good ideas.

Now speaking of good ideas do you honestly believe removing swf from the game is a good idea because if you do I've got some beachfront property on the moon to sell you.

Also if you split the queues up you still destroy the game because most of the playerbase is swf so all you complaining killers won't have a lobby.

The issue isn't that they won't do jack ######### as you say but that they won't do stupid things they know won't work. In business you don't destroy your business just to please a vocal minority that has only their own self interest in mind.

Sounds to me like prioritization of artistic and balancing integrity over what will make them the most money.

That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.

I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.

And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.

Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$

Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.

powerbats

@weirdkid5 said:

Sounds to me like prioritization of artistic and balancing integrity over what will make them the most money.

Sounds like you've got no clue how t6o run a business but why not make your own and run it like that and see what happens.

That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.

Yes because everyone wants to troll in this game, the exact same troll excuse used for every argument bashing every game for the last 25 years.

I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.

But you did say that since most of the playerbase is swf so if you remove them from the equation you kill off your game. You want to have your solo q only well guess what there isn't a large enough player base to support that.

Yes but how many have group play compared to this let alone the population size which you just argued out of both sides of your keyboard. You can't guarantee anything but your own personal bias here since some of those said veterans got banned/stopped playing because things got fixed.

You know the exploits and trolling and infinities etc that you complained about people like to abuse including these same veterans you want to bring back. Also good grief you just trolled yourself out into the open with that. This game can't hold more than 10k people did you really just type that troll nonsense since there was data showing 60k pc at normal times months ago.

During the Pestula event there was over 1.5 million yes that's million not 10k but million people playing at the exact same time. So to say the game can't handle outside of event more than 10k is laughable when non event players just on pc were over 60k.

And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.

Oh gee so you've been around since infinites big deal, the games vastly improved since then but all I'm getting is you seem to want to blame everything on the past. If you're a skilled killer gen rushing and swf aren't that big of deal really. Which suggests the problem is you and your lack of skill which after 2 years you'd think you'd have improved.

The fact you even blame troll swf parties says it all, you're just not as good as you think if I in less than 4 months or so of play time could learn to adapt and handle swf parties you should've in over 2 years.

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

Ah yes the typical troll deflection fallacy response, when you can't refute deflect and insult oh and I mostly play solo and main killer. But hey lets not let facts and actual logic get in the way of your troll arguments here since if we did you'd have nothing to say.

Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.

Bahahaha, people like you've been predicting Blizzards demise for over 20 years now, teh same is true for WOW, League, COD etc. If you think this is a trolls paradise then the obvious issue here is you and perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the real troll.

Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$

Oh yes here we go again with the fallacies, a single player game or 4 player on console only with limited game options yeah button mashing on a small screen. Wow talk about trolling and having absolutely no argument, you're obviously desperate now with that one.

Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.

Oh and next time before you try that tried and failed insult I'll say it again, I play mostly solo and if I choose to play with my friends IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.

Your idea of proper balance is just your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter since it's not your opinion that matters here. If you don't like where the game is going or the fact you're just not good enough.

Then uninstall the game and go play your console limited option game while the rest of us can enjoy playing the game that we don't have to rebuy every time.

HatCreature

I'm tired of SWF as well but we can't get rid of them, the game just needs better balancing around SWF and not 4 solo Survivors. I hate finding Rank 1's in my Rank 10 lobbies, Rank 6 and such, I love when they're the ones I kill and the Rank 10 got away but still, it ruins the game for me because those people have more experience than I do. But of course, the game just needs balance around SWF and the game would be fine.

We really need a Kill With Friends option, two killers, it would be the Killer version of SWF. My own personal reason for this is because I have friends and we play Survivor together but we all prefer to play Killer and eventually branch off and play Killer separate but still on mic. We wouldn't have to do that if we had an option to play Killer together. I know it would be incredibly taxing to implement because of balance but I think it would be something fresh for those who enjoy playing Killer.

JawsIsTheNextKiller

I'm only a mid rank player. If I play killer and see 3 or 4 players pop in at the same time I invariably get destroyed. If players appear individually I average about 2 kills.

Maybe I should "git gud" but you know, isn't the point of the ranking system that I shouldn't have to? And if I get to rank 5 or rank 1, won't it be the exact same experience but with better players?

The ranking system seems to be balanced against on non-swf groups. I would like to see swf groups be pitted against killers 5 ranks better than the average of their group and see how much difference that makes.

weirdkid5

@powerbats said:

@weirdkid5 said:

Sounds to me like prioritization of artistic and balancing integrity over what will make them the most money.

Sounds like you've got no clue how t6o run a business but why not make your own and run it like that and see what happens.

I'll point you to CD Projekt Red then, since you are clearly a corporate shill that thinks monetization is always the most important factor. News flash, it isn't.

That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.

Yes because everyone wants to troll in this game, the exact same troll excuse used for every argument bashing every game for the last 25 years.

Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.

I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.

But you did say that since most of the playerbase is swf so if you remove them from the equation you kill off your game. You want to have your solo q only well guess what there isn't a large enough player base to support that.

Most of the CURRENT playerbase is SWF. This game does not peak higher than 10k during off event times.

Yes but how many have group play compared to this let alone the population size which you just argued out of both sides of your keyboard. You can't guarantee anything but your own personal bias here since some of those said veterans got banned/stopped playing because things got fixed.

They quit because the game got way easier for survivors, even after infinite removal. See DS for your main culprit. If these things were fixed, the 20k players that you see pop up during events would come back. These are the old players coming back just to get new cosmetics or bloodpoint grinds.

You know the exploits and trolling and infinities etc that you complained about people like to abuse including these same veterans you want to bring back. Also good grief you just trolled yourself out into the open with that. This game can't hold more than 10k people did you really just type that troll nonsense since there was data showing 60k pc at normal times months ago.

During the Pestula event there was over 1.5 million yes that's million not 10k but million people playing at the exact same time. So to say the game can't handle outside of event more than 10k is laughable when non event players just on pc were over 60k.

BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.

And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.

Oh gee so you've been around since infinites big deal, the games vastly improved since then but all I'm getting is you seem to want to blame everything on the past. If you're a skilled killer gen rushing and swf aren't that big of deal really. Which suggests the problem is you and your lack of skill which after 2 years you'd think you'd have improved.

"If you're a skilled Killer gen rushing isn't a big deal"

HAHAHA it only takes 160 seconds for all 5 gens to be done. One survivor to loop the Killer, 3 survivors on gens at all times. If he breaks a chase, that's a free heal. He goes after someone else, they loop him, that's still 2 people on gens and the guy he was chasing before is now on a gen the other dude was on. 80 seconds pass 3 gens popped. Only 2 Killers can reasonably deal with this, Hillbilly and Nurse both for their ability to get cross map extremely fast and down extremely quickly. All other Killers may as well be in the trash bucket if you play somewhat seriously at all. Gen rush is #########.

The fact you even blame troll swf parties says it all, you're just not as good as you think if I in less than 4 months or so of play time could learn to adapt and handle swf parties you should've in over 2 years.

Mate tell that to the multiple top level Killers that were bodied by the SWF squad. Lemme see you pull up a stream and decimate Rank 1 SWF teams most of your matches. I challenge you, seriously, cause I can do the same for you and I promise I'm a far superior Killer to you.

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

Ah yes the typical troll deflection fallacy response, when you can't refute deflect and insult oh and I mostly play solo and main killer. But hey lets not let facts and actual logic get in the way of your troll arguments here since if we did you'd have nothing to say.

You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL

Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.

Bahahaha, people like you've been predicting Blizzards demise for over 20 years now, teh same is true for WOW, League, COD etc. If you think this is a trolls paradise then the obvious issue here is you and perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the real troll.

Tell that to the 12 billion dollars that Blizzard tanked after the reveal of Diavlo Immortal. Tell that to Blizzard literally paying their employees to quit because their finance department head is a person from Activision, and now their main priority is money. This is from the mouth of an ex Blizzard dev. I can link you to the interview if you want bud.

Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$

Oh yes here we go again with the fallacies, a single player game or 4 player on console only with limited game options yeah button mashing on a small screen. Wow talk about trolling and having absolutely no argument, you're obviously desperate now with that one.

Stop using terms you don't know how to use. Smash is 8 players. Button mashing? Pffft bro do I need to link you to a Video of Luigi 0-death combos that require frame perfect inputs, or explain to you the large mechanics of DI, wavelanding, Rage, and not to mention various comboing techniques that go way beyond mashing. It's quite clear you've never actually played anything competitive in your entire life if you relegate Smash to mere button mashing. Let's see you win 15k with Pichu by button mashing, good luck by the way. DbD wishes it could have a tourney worth 15k that didn't have questionable refereeing and decisions that ######### certain players.

Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.

Oh and next time before you try that tried and failed insult I'll say it again, I play mostly solo and if I choose to play with my friends IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.

it's not your decision is the most tone deaf argument I've ever heard. May as well get rid of the forums and never listen to feedback again then lmao also Im not even a Killer main, I'm a survivor main. I despise SWF because it makes my games that are already easier far more easy when I'm playing with 3 man babies that loop and make the Killers day ruined, stripping me of any interaction with the killer because the gens are finished before he even finds me.

Your idea of proper balance is just your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter since it's not your opinion that matters here. If you don't like where the game is going or the fact you're just not good enough.

Bruu that's what forums are for, again, just delete the forums and get rid of feedback areas. Get rid of the devstreams and fire the mods and Community members because clearly what people she doesn't matter. Your so up your own ego it hurts man.

Then uninstall the game and go play your console limited option game while the rest of us can enjoy playing the game that we don't have to rebuy every time.

Once again a tired argument. If you think Smash is the same game every time, that again shows how little knowledge you have of balancing and the inner workings of any serious mechanics in any game.

Vietfox

@EntityDispleased said:

Swfs really aren't a big issue at all at all after all the killer buffs. You just need to find the right perks and know the mind games. It doesn't matter how good a survivor can be, they're still a human being just like you and they can be outplayed.

If only everyone thought the same way you do...

Rebel_Raven

EntityDispleased said:

Swfs really aren't a big issue at all at all after all the killer buffs. You just need to find the right perks and know the mind games. It doesn't matter how good a survivor can be, they're still a human being just like you and they can be outplayed.

Really not fun GETTING all the right perks in the first place with SWF constantly getting in the way, though. 
Then there's RNG.

Then there's the sweaty ######### tryhards.
You know, the team that shares critical info freely. 
One sees a totem, and now all of them know, or they constantly tell eachother locations, do a congaline running to the gate so they can take hits for eachother, and so forth.
You know, stuff only people basically breaking the game would do.
Stuff that even trumps people like Hybrid Panda.

And some like to get extra toxic.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

so's mine but only because i end up playing against people that are way higher ranks then me but that can be changed by making it so you play at the highest friends rank but that would also mean that playing with a lower rank friend would be harder.

ColonGlock

The low experience players being trolled should be stopped somehow. Rank should be based on hours played in each role, and SWF should be matched from the highest ranked player, not the lowest. How many SWF teams have one guy low ranked and match up against 1 perk killers? Granting more BP to the killer would make SWF more tolerable for me at least. If it was not for BBQ I would have quit killer long ago. Member the days before BBQ? Dark times.

powerbats

@weirdkid5 said:

I'll point you to CD Projekt Red then, since you are clearly a corporate shill that thinks monetization is always the most important factor. News flash, it isn't.

Ah yes more of the usual deflection and Ad Hominems and talk about monetization they released a GOTy edition that forced you to waste money because you could copy saves over. They also have console commands allowing cheats to be used.

You can also buy the new dlcs for real money unlike here where you can also buy things with shards in game. Lets not also forget they allow mods which break the game, cheating in gold, items etc.

That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.

Oh here we go again with the exploits and trolling excuse, you can't back up your arguments so you resort to the tried and failed deflections again. You just can't seem to accept that if people are better than you it's not because they're trolling or exploiting.

Yes because everyone wants to troll in this game, the exact same troll excuse used for every argument bashing every game for the last 25 years.

Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.

Yep and here it is, the excuses and blame game continues and shows us what the real problem is, your lack of skill. The only ones that think looping is an exploit are bad killers and I rarely use looping because I'm not very good at it.

The only trolling going on here is you and the excuse making to hide the fact you either have to improve your skills and stop making excuses. That or you just need to accept the fact you've reached your skill ceiling and can't improve anymore.

Why is it that so many killers have no issue with loopers and get hits on said bad hitboxes but you magically can't and make excuses? The common denominator in all this is you since if others can do it that means it's not an exploit.

I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.

But you did say that since most of the playerbase is swf so if you remove them from the equation you kill off your game. You want to have your solo q only well guess what there isn't a large enough player base to support that.

Most of the CURRENT playerbase is SWF. This game does not peak higher than 10k during off event times.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Hmmn during n on event times they had over 60k at one point.

The stats from Steam just for pc put the lie to that statement since months back non event it was over 60k population and yes that's just PC user.

Yes but how many have group play compared to this let alone the population size which you just argued out of both sides of your keyboard. You can't guarantee anything but your own personal bias here since some of those said veterans got banned/stopped playing because things got fixed.

They quit because the game got way easier for survivors, even after infinite removal. See DS for your main culprit. If these things were fixed, the 20k players that you see pop up during events would come back. These are the old players coming back just to get new cosmetics or bloodpoint grinds.

No they quit because there were other games out there and just like as usual; when something else comes out people stop playing the game and check out the new one. Those 20k players are still here and as Steam showed 60k during non event time.

Also where'd you get your 20k players leaving data from, come on post some links to it or is this another made up claim by you.

You know the exploits and trolling and infinities etc that you complained about people like to abuse including these same veterans you want to bring back. Also good grief you just trolled yourself out into the open with that. This game can't hold more than 10k people did you really just type that troll nonsense since there was data showing 60k pc at normal times months ago.

During the Pestula event there was over 1.5 million yes that's million not 10k but million people playing at the exact same time. So to say the game can't handle outside of event more than 10k is laughable when non event players just on pc were over 60k.

BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.

For being universally hated there sure seems to be a lot of people that enjoyed it due to the seeing the possibilities for a 2ndary objective. Also it didn't have issues until the 2nd week when people were needing their vials for other side and everyone played that side.

And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.

Your opinion doesn't make it fact, no matter how many times you claim it, twist facts, troll there's nothing that makes it busted because you claim it is.

So you've been around since infinities yet you still can't do anything but make excuses up and blame everything on something that doesn't happen at the frequency you seem to encounter Perhaps the problem isn't the swf and gen rushing but you're refusal to improve and instead make up excuses and point fingers.

Oh gee so you've been around since infinites big deal, the games vastly improved since then but all I'm getting is you seem to want to blame everything on the past. If you're a skilled killer gen rushing and swf aren't that big of deal really. Which suggests the problem is you and your lack of skill which after 2 years you'd think you'd have improved.

"If you're a skilled Killer gen rushing isn't a big deal"

HAHAHA it only takes 160 seconds for all 5 gens to be done. One survivor to loop the Killer, 3 survivors on gens at all times. If he breaks a chase, that's a free heal. He goes after someone else, they loop him, that's still 2 people on gens and the guy he was chasing before is now on a gen the other dude was on. 80 seconds pass 3 gens popped. Only 2 Killers can reasonably deal with this, Hillbilly and Nurse both for their ability to get cross map extremely fast and down extremely quickly. All other Killers may as well be in the trash bucket if you play somewhat seriously at all. Gen rush is [BAD WORD].

If you're getting 3 minuted so often that means the problem is you plain and simple and you just flat out proved you're the problem here not the game.

That's just 2 examples and plenty of other have shown other killers 4king at rank one consistently including several people that took perkless Freddy to rank 1. Since so many people seem to be able to handle swf at rank 1 just fine that points to an obvious culprit.

**The common denominator in everyone of your matches where you make up excuses is you.
**

The fact you even blame troll swf parties says it all, you're just not as good as you think if I in less than 4 months or so of play time could learn to adapt and handle swf parties you should've in over 2 years.

Mate tell that to the multiple top level Killers that were bodied by the SWF squad. Lemme see you pull up a stream and decimate Rank 1 SWF teams most of your matches. I challenge you, seriously, cause I can do the same for you and I promise I'm a far superior Killer to you.

You'd think you would give up with the deflections and blame game because Monto I believe posted a stream where he had over 100 matches or so of 4k straight. That includes swf teams and since you're better than me then why are you on here making up so many excuses?

I mean for someone so superior to me as a killer you sure do make a lot of excuses for not doing well against swf whether it be 2 solo 2 swf etc. I mean since I'm such an inferior killer there should obviously be hundreds of threads from me out complaining and out excusing you.

I'll wait while you try and find something that has me even coming close to you by 1% of complaint posts or threads which we both know you won't find.

Oh and this was a 4 man swf swat team that at rank 1 that got me the prior game with sabo on cornfield map although I'd managed to hook everyone 2x though. I got them several maps in a row and got more sac'd each time and this time I 4k'd them all with mori.

The difference between the 2 of us is I didn't come to the forums and make up excuses, I changed my playstyle, I adapted to what was going on and IMPROVED.

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

Ah yes the typical troll deflection fallacy response, when you can't refute deflect and insult oh and I mostly play solo and main killer. But hey lets not let facts and actual logic get in the way of your troll arguments here since if we did you'd have nothing to say.

You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL

You make up the lamest excuses to deflect from your fallacies and oh just for good measure here's that Steam data link that yet again show 60k during a non event non ftp time frame.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.

Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.

Bahahaha, people like you've been predicting Blizzards demise for over 20 years now, teh same is true for WOW, League, COD etc. If you think this is a trolls paradise then the obvious issue here is you and perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the real troll.

Tell that to the 12 billion dollars that Blizzard tanked after the reveal of Diavlo Immortal. Tell that to Blizzard literally paying their employees to quit because their finance department head is a person from Activision, and now their main priority is money. This is from the mouth of an ex Blizzard dev. I can link you to the interview if you want bud.

Oh no a game tanked the sky is falling, it's almost as if a game has enver flopped in gaming history ever before. It's almost as if this doesn't happen with a game failing badly at least 4x a year or a game gets shelved before release.

So an ex employee posts something negative and you take it as gospel and you wonder why you can't be taken seriously. You do realize that disgruntled employees will always say something negative since that's what they do.

Oh and you did know that Blizzard is owned by Activision so their finance head has a say in how blizzard spends it's money or did you not know that?

Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$

Oh yes here we go again with the fallacies, a single player game or 4 player on console only with limited game options yeah button mashing on a small screen. Wow talk about trolling and having absolutely no argument, you're obviously desperate now with that one.

Stop using terms you don't know how to use. Smash is 8 players. Button mashing? Pffft bro do I need to link you to a Video of Luigi 0-death combos that require frame perfect inputs, or explain to you the large mechanics of DI, wavelanding, Rage, and not to mention various comboing techniques that go way beyond mashing. It's quite clear you've never actually played anything competitive in your entire life if you relegate Smash to mere button mashing. Let's see you win 15k with Pichu by button mashing, good luck by the way. DbD wishes it could have a tourney worth 15k that didn't have questionable refereeing and decisions that [BAD WORD] certain players.

Hmm button mashing you still have to mash buttons together to perform said combos right? Well since we both know the answer to that is yes then you've got no clue what you're talking about. You also do realize Smash has been out since 1999 almost 20 years now so of course it has bigger and better tournaments.

They've had quite a bit longer to get their competitive scene up and organized so of course a game that's been out almost 20 years and has had competitive tournaments going for almost 20 years will have better referring. But hey lets ignore common sense and logic and use a an almost 20 year old established game as an example.

Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.

Oh and next time before you try that tried and failed insult I'll say it again, I play mostly solo and if I choose to play with my friends IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.

it's not your decision is the most tone deaf argument I've ever heard. May as well get rid of the forums and never listen to feedback again then lmao also Im not even a Killer main, I'm a survivor main. I despise SWF because it makes my games that are already easier far more easy when I'm playing with 3 man babies that loop and make the Killers day ruined, stripping me of any interaction with the killer because the gens are finished before he even finds me.

The only tone deaf arguments here are yours, your opinion isn't the one that counts most it's the devs in the end. While everyone's opinion is valuable the opinions of some can be discarded by the evidence of their refusal to improve.

As an example when a level 20 survivor comes here and complains killers are too op killer mains tell them to git gud. When they complain more they get told their opinion isn't valid since they're not good enough.

So you're complaining that your games are ruined because the killer gets looped and this somehow magically happens to you all the time. It's not because the killer isn't good enough to adapt or that the killer doesn't know when to stop chasing the looper.

Nowe since your games are so easy you obviously go full perkless, never cleanse totems, never open chests and enver ever bring a single item into the game right? I mean you obviously want a challenge so if you bring a perk you bring No Mither only and wear the brightest clothes possible.

Since you want a challenge you'd never play any P3 character or a smaller female character model but instead would play someone large like Bill in his brightest outfit. You'd also always put in map offerings that favored killers the most right since you want a challenge.

Your idea of proper balance is just your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter since it's not your opinion that matters here. If you don't like where the game is going or the fact you're just not good enough.

Bruu that's what forums are for, again, just delete the forums and get rid of feedback areas. Get rid of the devstreams and fire the mods and Community members because clearly what people she doesn't matter. Your so up your own ego it hurts man.

Having an opinion is fine but claiming yours is correct and factual is the issue since that's what you've done so far and in this very post here. Ah yes more of the troll Ad Hominem attacks which already proves you've lost.

Then uninstall the game and go play your console limited option game while the rest of us can enjoy playing the game that we don't have to rebuy every time.

Once again a tired argument. If you think Smash is the same game every time, that again shows how little knowledge you have of balancing and the inner workings of any serious mechanics in any game.

Yet Smash is the same thing every time at it's core, you use combos, you smash people off the fighting stage, you have a stable of characters. Oh sure you get new characters and new maps and new moves but the thing is it's still the same just with a new coat of paint.

That just proves you don't know what you're talking about here especially when it comes to the inner workings of a game. At least with DBD I don't have to rebuy the same characters every time I want to play it even with dlc.

TheBean

LOLs... This dumb argument again.... This has been beating to death.

SWF is here to stay.... There is no plans on making SWF, it's own queue.

If you don't like it.... Then don't play.

There are many, many players that have no issues playing against SWF and do well in those matches. Like they always have.

lasombra1979

My only issue with SWF is when they all pick the same survivor with the exact same cosmetics. I am good if you all want to play Meg, but seriously, stop with the outfit matching. I get confused easily.

powerbats

@lasombra1979 said:
My only issue with SWF is when they all pick the same survivor with the exact same cosmetics. I am good if you all want to play Meg, but seriously, stop with the outfit matching. I get confused easily.

Yeah I forget sometimes who I've hooked and who I've not hooked and who's the good looper and which one is the good evader.

brokedownpalace

@weirdkid5 are you still pretending to be a survivor main or have you dropped the act?

NoShinyPony

@Broosmeister said:
When a killer sees swf they dodge on ps4. All i can say is get good at the game or stop playing

I sometimes get dodged on PS4 when I play as 4 SWF but it's not super bad. How many items do you bring and which skins are you using?

4 SWF with voice comm is super strong already and doesn't need items on top. If you usually bring items, try leaving items at home for a change.

Broosmeister

NoShinyPony said:

@Broosmeister said:
When a killer sees swf they dodge on ps4. All i can say is get good at the game or stop playing

I sometimes get dodged on PS4 when I play as 4 SWF but it's not super bad. How many items do you bring and which skins are you using?

4 SWF with voice comm is super strong already and doesn't need items on top. If you usually bring items, try leaving items at home for a change.

I have an bought outfit for Meg & Nea.
We don't always bring items, sometimes 1 or 2 toolboxes or medkits but that's about it. I think they should just add communication between survivors like in friday the 13th so all the killers don't ######### their pants when they see swf but they get rekt every game instead of swf. 

branchini1979

I know killers hate SWF but as a solo survivor main, I am more wary of look out for themselves SWF than the killer. 

GolgiNea

Woah there... swf is fun and will not be removed.

Terratoast

Since the primary reason I play this is to play with my friends, removing SWF or moving it to a queue that has a horrible queue time would kill the reason I play this game (as it likely would for my friends).

I may play killer a fair amount but this game will not hold my attention if I can only play it solo. I have plenty of other solo games that have much more content.

BigBubs

"SWF ruin my free wins! WAAAAAA MOOOOOM!!!"

Tucking_Friggered

@PandaChris said:
The game was designed to play with friends. If i remember correctly they just didnt have it added for launch but always said there would be a system. The problem doesnt lie with playing with friends, the problem lies with the voice communication software that is used with playing with your friends and that cannot be removed.

I feel when we talk about SWF we need to be more specific though. I feel the issue lies with 3 man and 4 man SWF. But the unfortunate circumstance right now is you either play 1 of 3 killers to do well against SWF or you spend 500, 1000+ hours in the game to get all the trainable perks, have access to them on all killers and the time played provides more access to the better addons more consistently. At this point of course SWF will be slightly easier.

I feel a loose example would be what if there was a killer and entity player in game. This entity player would have his own tasks with slowing the survivors down, maybe he floats around the ground invisible, the details arent really needed here. Now if 2 friends were playing and not using voice communication im sure it wouldnt be that bad. But now if these 2 friends had voice communication and could tell each other where a survivor is, or what gen they are on, the survivors would scream blue murder.

Like or not voice communication does provide an advantage. Whether it is slight or large does have a ton of variables but still it does provide an advantage. I feel the only real starting point is to add a 5th greyed out perk that only activates with 4 SWF. Then go from there and see where the stats take you.

Edit - A quick edit cause i know a counter point will be why should i punished for playing with friends. On the flip side why should the killer be punished by an outside advantage by playing against people who want to play with friends.

And this has nothing do with killers getting 4 kills per game. I think 2 kills per game is what the game should be balanced towards and expected on average.

If the game was designed to play with friends perks such as Knockout and other aura perks would not exist as they are pointless with VOIP.
Perks like OoO, soon to work in locker while hiding your own aura, are going to be completely exploitable by SWF by having someone permanently spot the killer, completely hidden.
This coupled with hidden SWF group joins on dedicated servers is inevitably a game killer. It'll take maybe two weeks before it's SOP and the devs are backed into a corner in how to address it.
Sadly, they do not even have the foresight to see that exploit if you listen to their own words while I can months in advance. I believe their words were something like "if it's exploitable we'll look into it".

Ryuhi

@BigBubs said:
"Not having voice comms and coordinated plays would ruin my free wins! WAAAAAA MOOOOOM!!!"

too ez

Ryuhi

@BigBubs said:
"Not having voice comms and coordinated plays would ruin my free wins! WAAAAAA MOOOOOM!!!"

too ez

Tucking_Friggered

@PandaChris said:
The game was designed to play with friends. If i remember correctly they just didnt have it added for launch but always said there would be a system. The problem doesnt lie with playing with friends, the problem lies with the voice communication software that is used with playing with your friends and that cannot be removed.

I feel when we talk about SWF we need to be more specific though. I feel the issue lies with 3 man and 4 man SWF. But the unfortunate circumstance right now is you either play 1 of 3 killers to do well against SWF or you spend 500, 1000+ hours in the game to get all the trainable perks, have access to them on all killers and the time played provides more access to the better addons more consistently. At this point of course SWF will be slightly easier.

I feel a loose example would be what if there was a killer and entity player in game. This entity player would have his own tasks with slowing the survivors down, maybe he floats around the ground invisible, the details arent really needed here. Now if 2 friends were playing and not using voice communication im sure it wouldnt be that bad. But now if these 2 friends had voice communication and could tell each other where a survivor is, or what gen they are on, the survivors would scream blue murder.

Like or not voice communication does provide an advantage. Whether it is slight or large does have a ton of variables but still it does provide an advantage. I feel the only real starting point is to add a 5th greyed out perk that only activates with 4 SWF. Then go from there and see where the stats take you.

Edit - A quick edit cause i know a counter point will be why should i punished for playing with friends. On the flip side why should the killer be punished by an outside advantage by playing against people who want to play with friends.

And this has nothing do with killers getting 4 kills per game. I think 2 kills per game is what the game should be balanced towards and expected on average.

If the game were designed to play with friends perks like Knockout would not exist as they are completely pointless with Voip. Soon perks like OoO will be exploitable from within a locker to give constant updates on a killers position while not revealing the holder of the perk.

Cardgrey

Broosmeister said:

You know what ruins the game for me? Waiting hours for lobbies because killers are too pussy to play against swf and dodge. This happens when i play with bad people as well as good people, rank 1, 10 or 15 it doesn't matter. When a killer sees swf they dodge on ps4. All i can say is get good at the game or stop playing, no need to ruin the game for people who already have to wait way too long to find a lobby.

I get that you have the occasional toxic swf group, i get that you dodge when you see 4 toolboxes or flashlights. But me and my friends play normally and respectfully, and when i play killer and see swf i don't dodge and most of the time i win because they are way too altruistic, they swarm you when you try to hook someone so i can hit everyone with sloppy butcher. Sometimes i get 4 people in way higher ranks who pallet loop like crazy and i get absolutely demolished, but life goes on anyway. Stop whining.

And who are u good sir that u think u have a right to force anyone to do anything?
Are u kenichiro Yoshida? maybe u should play something else if people don't want to play against u. 

powerbats

@Ryuhi said:

@BigBubs said:
"Not having voice comms and coordinated plays as excuses for my bad play would ruin my usage of those for my bad play WAAAAAA MOOOOOM!!!"

too ez

You're right that was too ez.

powerbats

@Cardgrey said:
Broosmeister said:

You know what ruins the game for me? Waiting hours for lobbies because killers are too pussy to play against swf and dodge. This happens when i play with bad people as well as good people, rank 1, 10 or 15 it doesn't matter. When a killer sees swf they dodge on ps4. All i can say is get good at the game or stop playing, no need to ruin the game for people who already have to wait way too long to find a lobby.

I get that you have the occasional toxic swf group, i get that you dodge when you see 4 toolboxes or flashlights. But me and my friends play normally and respectfully, and when i play killer and see swf i don't dodge and most of the time i win because they are way too altruistic, they swarm you when you try to hook someone so i can hit everyone with sloppy butcher. Sometimes i get 4 people in way higher ranks who pallet loop like crazy and i get absolutely demolished, but life goes on anyway. Stop whining.

And who are u good sir that u think u have a right to force anyone to do anything?
Are u kenichiro Yoshida? maybe u should play something else if people don't want to play against u. 

So let's use your own statement against you, who are you to decide who plays an online games with their friends or not? The game was always going to have swf in it as an intended feature, it just wasn't ready by launch.

Perhaps it's you that should go play something else instead of telling people not to play with their friends just because you don't like a challenge. If you want an easy game then this isn't the game for you, perhaps something with bots only.

Ryuhi

@powerbats said:
You're right that was too ez.

I was making fun of his usage of a strawman. you were just massaging your ego?

Cardgrey

powerbats said:

See@Cardgrey said:
Broosmeister said:

You know what ruins the game for me? Waiting hours for lobbies because killers are too pussy to play against swf and dodge. This happens when i play with bad people as well as good people, rank 1, 10 or 15 it doesn't matter. When a killer sees swf they dodge on ps4. All i can say is get good at the game or stop playing, no need to ruin the game for people who already have to wait way too long to find a lobby.

I get that you have the occasional toxic swf group, i get that you dodge when you see 4 toolboxes or flashlights. But me and my friends play normally and respectfully, and when i play killer and see swf i don't dodge and most of the time i win because they are way too altruistic, they swarm you when you try to hook someone so i can hit everyone with sloppy butcher. Sometimes i get 4 people in way higher ranks who pallet loop like crazy and i get absolutely demolished, but life goes on anyway. Stop whining.

And who are u good sir that u think u have a right to force anyone to do anything?
Are u kenichiro Yoshida? maybe u should play something else if people don't want to play against u. 

So let's use your own statement against you, who are you to decide who plays an online games with their friends or not? The game was always going to have swf in it as an intended feature, it just wasn't ready by launch.

Perhaps it's you that should go play something else instead of telling people not to play with their friends just because you don't like a challenge. If you want an easy game then this isn't the game for you, perhaps something with bots only.

I don't recall having a issue with swf...
Could u please point out we're I said that or that playing with friends wasn't ok?

weirdkid5

@powerbats said:

@weirdkid5 said:

I'll point you to CD Projekt Red then, since you are clearly a corporate shill that thinks monetization is always the most important factor. News flash, it isn't.

Ah yes more of the usual deflection and Ad Hominems and talk about monetization they released a GOTy edition that forced you to waste money because you could copy saves over. They also have console commands allowing cheats to be used.

You can also buy the new dlcs for real money unlike here where you can also buy things with shards in game. Lets not also forget they allow mods which break the game, cheating in gold, items etc.

For one thing, it's a single player game so I'm not sure what kind of argument that is supposed to be. Every single game that exists on PC has a way to open a console command, even in DOOM 2016. No one who actually plays the game seriously will use that stuff. If someone wants to cheat in a single player game, that literally hurts no one. Mod support should always be a thing for single player games, like Fallout and GTA, where the devs directly support modding.

Also DbD you used to have to buy DLC, but they changed it because it is more lucrative to sell cosmetics that can only be bought with money, which plenty exist.

That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.

Oh here we go again with the exploits and trolling excuse, you can't back up your arguments so you resort to the tried and failed deflections again. You just can't seem to accept that if people are better than you it's not because they're trolling or exploiting.

Except I can link you to a video of Mathieu Cote stating why this game was originally balanced around solo players. Here it is https://youtu.be/YH5jhyU6GjU

Yes because everyone wants to troll in this game, the exact same troll excuse used for every argument bashing every game for the last 25 years.

Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.

Yep and here it is, the excuses and blame game continues and shows us what the real problem is, your lack of skill. The only ones that think looping is an exploit are bad killers and I rarely use looping because I'm not very good at it.

Incorrect. Killers in fact have a bigger hitbox and this makes looping way more effective than it should be. The devs have stated before this is unintentional. Good work proving you dont know your stuff.

The only trolling going on here is you and the excuse making to hide the fact you either have to improve your skills and stop making excuses. That or you just need to accept the fact you've reached your skill ceiling and can't improve anymore.

I dont hide it because I literally stream all my matches homie lmao

Why is it that so many killers have no issue with loopers and get hits on said bad hitboxes but you magically can't and make excuses? The common denominator in all this is you since if others can do it that means it's not an exploit.

Face a group like the Depip squad, who even the best Killers in the game were unable to defeat. Nearly 100 wins in a row, with many Killers being top level Killers. So you're better than ScottJund?

I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.

But you did say that since most of the playerbase is swf so if you remove them from the equation you kill off your game. You want to have your solo q only well guess what there isn't a large enough player base to support that.

Most of the CURRENT playerbase is SWF. This game does not peak higher than 10k during off event times.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Hmmn during n on event times they had over 60k at one point.

That was during a free period lmao

The stats from Steam just for pc put the lie to that statement since months back non event it was over 60k population and yes that's just PC user.

It peaked in Septmeber, during the end of the month when the game was free until the 25th of September. That's the only reason the pop hit 60k

Yes but how many have group play compared to this let alone the population size which you just argued out of both sides of your keyboard. You can't guarantee anything but your own personal bias here since some of those said veterans got banned/stopped playing because things got fixed.

They quit because the game got way easier for survivors, even after infinite removal. See DS for your main culprit. If these things were fixed, the 20k players that you see pop up during events would come back. These are the old players coming back just to get new cosmetics or bloodpoint grinds.

No they quit because there were other games out there and just like as usual; when something else comes out people stop playing the game and check out the new one. Those 20k players are still here and as Steam showed 60k during non event time.

It was during a free trial period.

Also where'd you get your 20k players leaving data from, come on post some links to it or is this another made up claim by you.

Because 30k people play during events. Otherwise 10k people are playing. The other 20k likely only play during events.

You know the exploits and trolling and infinities etc that you complained about people like to abuse including these same veterans you want to bring back. Also good grief you just trolled yourself out into the open with that. This game can't hold more than 10k people did you really just type that troll nonsense since there was data showing 60k pc at normal times months ago.

During the Pestula event there was over 1.5 million yes that's million not 10k but million people playing at the exact same time. So to say the game can't handle outside of event more than 10k is laughable when non event players just on pc were over 60k.

During a free trial period.

BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.

It was a free trial period dawg. Which was one of my arguments as well. You seemed to leave that out and focused on the event aspect of my argument. Good work.

For being universally hated there sure seems to be a lot of people that enjoyed it due to the seeing the possibilities for a 2ndary objective. Also it didn't have issues until the 2nd week when people were needing their vials for other side and everyone played that side.

No one enjoyed it if you actually paid attention to the forums during Pestualla.

And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.

Your opinion doesn't make it fact, no matter how many times you claim it, twist facts, troll there's nothing that makes it busted because you claim it is.

Yknow it's funny you mentioned ad hominem earlier when you started calling me a troll long before I called you a corporate shill lmao

So you've been around since infinities yet you still can't do anything but make excuses up and blame everything on something that doesn't happen at the frequency you seem to encounter Perhaps the problem isn't the swf and gen rushing but you're refusal to improve and instead make up excuses and point fingers.

I can guarantee you, by the devs own stats, 70% of games have SWF groups in them and nearly every survivor loops.

Oh gee so you've been around since infinites big deal, the games vastly improved since then but all I'm getting is you seem to want to blame everything on the past. If you're a skilled killer gen rushing and swf aren't that big of deal really. Which suggests the problem is you and your lack of skill which after 2 years you'd think you'd have improved.

You can't improve against mechanics that literally are stacked against you and continue to favor only Hillbilly and Nurse.

"If you're a skilled Killer gen rushing isn't a big deal"

HAHAHA it only takes 160 seconds for all 5 gens to be done. One survivor to loop the Killer, 3 survivors on gens at all times. If he breaks a chase, that's a free heal. He goes after someone else, they loop him, that's still 2 people on gens and the guy he was chasing before is now on a gen the other dude was on. 80 seconds pass 3 gens popped. Only 2 Killers can reasonably deal with this, Hillbilly and Nurse both for their ability to get cross map extremely fast and down extremely quickly. All other Killers may as well be in the trash bucket if you play somewhat seriously at all. Gen rush is [BAD WORD].

If you're getting 3 minuted so often that means the problem is you plain and simple and you just flat out proved you're the problem here not the game.

That's just 2 examples and plenty of other have shown other killers 4king at rank one consistently including several people that took perkless Freddy to rank 1. Since so many people seem to be able to handle swf at rank 1 just fine that points to an obvious culprit.

Oh look, a screenshot with no video context to go along with it. I can pull out many screenshots of me killing at Rank 1 as well as various games at Rank 1 if you'd like. You aren't impressive.

**The common denominator in everyone of your matches where you make up excuses is you.
**

The fact you even blame troll swf parties says it all, you're just not as good as you think if I in less than 4 months or so of play time could learn to adapt and handle swf parties you should've in over 2 years.

Lmao considering the game has no viable way for rhe Killer to counter voice chat, I'd like to see how you adapt to SWF outside of killing as quickly as possible and tunneling.

Mate tell that to the multiple top level Killers that were bodied by the SWF squad. Lemme see you pull up a stream and decimate Rank 1 SWF teams most of your matches. I challenge you, seriously, cause I can do the same for you and I promise I'm a far superior Killer to you.

You'd think you would give up with the deflections and blame game because Monto I believe posted a stream where he had over 100 matches or so of 4k straight. That includes swf teams and since you're better than me then why are you on here making up so many excuses?

Just because most of the Survivor population is hot garbage and don't fully utilize their entire kit to their disposal doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist. Keep in mind the depip squad had 100 wins in a row as Survivors with NO PERKS and NO VOICE CHAT even against top levels like ScottJund brodie.

I mean for someone so superior to me as a killer you sure do make a lot of excuses for not doing well against swf whether it be 2 solo 2 swf etc. I mean since I'm such an inferior killer there should obviously be hundreds of threads from me out complaining and out excusing you.

I'll wait while you try and find something that has me even coming close to you by 1% of complaint posts or threads which we both know you won't find.

Oh and this was a 4 man swf swat team that at rank 1 that got me the prior game with sabo on cornfield map although I'd managed to hook everyone 2x though. I got them several maps in a row and got more sac'd each time and this time I 4k'd them all with mori.

The difference between the 2 of us is I didn't come to the forums and make up excuses, I changed my playstyle, I adapted to what was going on and IMPROVED.

Another no context screenshot that's useless. I asked for videos of your gameplay, not screenshots that show only highlights against likely garbage survivors.

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

Ah yes the typical troll deflection fallacy response, when you can't refute deflect and insult oh and I mostly play solo and main killer. But hey lets not let facts and actual logic get in the way of your troll arguments here since if we did you'd have nothing to say.

Stop using words you don't know how to properly use.

You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL

You make up the lamest excuses to deflect from your fallacies and oh just for good measure here's that Steam data link that yet again show 60k during a non event non ftp time frame.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.

Too bad DbD was in fact free at the end or Septemeber, which is when the peak of 60k happened. Try doing a little research https://www.gamesear.com/news/the-multiplayer-horror-game-dead-by-daylight-is-free-to-try-out-on-steam-until-september-25th

Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.

Bahahaha, people like you've been predicting Blizzards demise for over 20 years now, teh same is true for WOW, League, COD etc. If you think this is a trolls paradise then the obvious issue here is you and perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the real troll.

Tell that to the 12 billion dollars that Blizzard tanked after the reveal of Diavlo Immortal. Tell that to Blizzard literally paying their employees to quit because their finance department head is a person from Activision, and now their main priority is money. This is from the mouth of an ex Blizzard dev. I can link you to the interview if you want bud.

Oh no a game tanked the sky is falling, it's almost as if a game has enver flopped in gaming history ever before. It's almost as if this doesn't happen with a game failing badly at least 4x a year or a game gets shelved before release.

So an ex employee posts something negative and you take it as gospel and you wonder why you can't be taken seriously. You do realize that disgruntled employees will always say something negative since that's what they do.

Except it's no secret Blizzard is getting rid of their employees. Basic research will show you this.

Oh and you did know that Blizzard is owned by Activision so their finance head has a say in how blizzard spends it's money or did you not know that?

It wasn't like that until recently. Blizzard had control over it's own finances for the most part. They recently had a change. Again, do your research dawg.

Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$

Oh yes here we go again with the fallacies, a single player game or 4 player on console only with limited game options yeah button mashing on a small screen. Wow talk about trolling and having absolutely no argument, you're obviously desperate now with that one.

Stop using terms you don't know how to use. Smash is 8 players. Button mashing? Pffft bro do I need to link you to a Video of Luigi 0-death combos that require frame perfect inputs, or explain to you the large mechanics of DI, wavelanding, Rage, and not to mention various comboing techniques that go way beyond mashing. It's quite clear you've never actually played anything competitive in your entire life if you relegate Smash to mere button mashing. Let's see you win 15k with Pichu by button mashing, good luck by the way. DbD wishes it could have a tourney worth 15k that didn't have questionable refereeing and decisions that [BAD WORD] certain players.

Hmm button mashing you still have to mash buttons together to perform said combos right? Well since we both know the answer to that is yes then you've got no clue what you're talking about. You also do realize Smash has been out since 1999 almost 20 years now so of course it has bigger and better tournaments.

You can't do combos by mashing buttons homie. You have to time everything, especially the Luigi 0-death, which requires inputs that go down to the 1/10th of a second or less, something that if you "mash" will never work. Again, you've clearly never played a fighting game if you think combos are just "button mashing."

They've had quite a bit longer to get their competitive scene up and organized so of course a game that's been out almost 20 years and has had competitive tournaments going for almost 20 years will have better referring. But hey lets ignore common sense and logic and use a an almost 20 year old established game as an example.

Except Smash wasn't considered Serious for the devs in terms of competitiveness until the 4th game. It's not very hard to make something competitive for DbD. Look, I came up with this in 5 minutes: 2 teams of 5, both teams have a Survivor and a Killer. When they get the match, 2 games start simultaneously with your Killer against the enemy survivors and their Killer against you. The team with the overall better emblem quality is the winner.

Making a competitive scene has nothing to do with how long you have being doing it, and everything to do with the basic understandings of fair play and in depth mechanics.

Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.

Oh and next time before you try that tried and failed insult I'll say it again, I play mostly solo and if I choose to play with my friends IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.

Then again, just get rid of all feedback threads since it isn't our decision. Player feedback is useless as long as we make money.

it's not your decision is the most tone deaf argument I've ever heard. May as well get rid of the forums and never listen to feedback again then lmao also Im not even a Killer main, I'm a survivor main. I despise SWF because it makes my games that are already easier far more easy when I'm playing with 3 man babies that loop and make the Killers day ruined, stripping me of any interaction with the killer because the gens are finished before he even finds me.

The only tone deaf arguments here are yours, your opinion isn't the one that counts most it's the devs in the end. While everyone's opinion is valuable the opinions of some can be discarded by the evidence of their refusal to improve.

Sounds to me like I need to come out of retirement, because I already the top levels a long time ago.

As an example when a level 20 survivor comes here and complains killers are too op killer mains tell them to git gud. When they complain more they get told their opinion isn't valid since they're not good enough.

Except I hit Rank 1 long before it become a cakewalk to do so.

So you're complaining that your games are ruined because the killer gets looped and this somehow magically happens to you all the time. It's not because the killer isn't good enough to adapt or that the killer doesn't know when to stop chasing the looper.

I literally already explained stopping the chase doesn't help but you ignored my argument. Stopping the chase just allows the guy to self heal, and that still leaves 2 other survivors on gens when you find the other guy, and the guy you stopped chasing before is now healed and on his own gen.

Stopping the chase is exactly what loopers what you to do because the moment you do it, the Killer loses the game.

Nowe since your games are so easy you obviously go full perkless, never cleanse totems, never open chests and enver ever bring a single item into the game right? I mean you obviously want a challenge so if you bring a perk you bring No Mither only and wear the brightest clothes possible.

I hit Rank 1 Survivor perkless a long time ago without using any items fam. It really isn't that hard. Would you like me to do it again? I'll stream every single match like I did before.

Since you want a challenge you'd never play any P3 character or a smaller female character model but instead would play someone large like Bill in his brightest outfit. You'd also always put in map offerings that favored killers the most right since you want a challenge.

Except again, I already played to Rank 1 Killer perkless wearing bright Meg clothes. If I didn't lose my save, I would have worn my Legacy Prestige while doing it as well just to mock you further. But alas, the devs thought it was a good idea to make the save data for a multiplayer game save client side rather than server side, up until about 8 months ago or so.

Your idea of proper balance is just your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter since it's not your opinion that matters here. If you don't like where the game is going or the fact you're just not good enough.

Bruu that's what forums are for, again, just delete the forums and get rid of feedback areas. Get rid of the devstreams and fire the mods and Community members because clearly what people she doesn't matter. Your so up your own ego it hurts man.

Having an opinion is fine but claiming yours is correct and factual is the issue since that's what you've done so far and in this very post here. Ah yes more of the troll Ad Hominem attacks which already proves you've lost.

Except it is factual because I can do simple math. It takes 2 and a half to 3 minutes to get the game finished as survivors, and based on Killer's movement speeds and looping, no Killer except Nurse and Billy can win without the survivors simply making massive mistakes that any decent player wouldn't make.

Then uninstall the game and go play your console limited option game while the rest of us can enjoy playing the game that we don't have to rebuy every time.

Once again a tired argument. If you think Smash is the same game every time, that again shows how little knowledge you have of balancing and the inner workings of any serious mechanics in any game.

Yet Smash is the same thing every time at it's core, you use combos, you smash people off the fighting stage, you have a stable of characters. Oh sure you get new characters and new maps and new moves but the thing is it's still the same just with a new coat of paint.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about if you think Smash is the same game every time simply because you do combos to launch people off a stage. Sounds to me like you don't know inner mechanics.

That just proves you don't know what you're talking about here especially when it comes to the inner workings of a game. At least with DBD I don't have to rebuy the same characters every time I want to play it even with dlc.

Except in Smash Ultimate every character that was released before is in the game. No Smash game besides Smash 4 had DLC characters, and all DLC characters for Ultimate will be brand new. Good work not knowing what you're talking about, again.

@brokedownpalace said:
@weirdkid5 are you still pretending to be a survivor main or have you dropped the act?

Sounds to me like I gotta come out of retirement. Not sure how the 600 of the 800 hours I've played as Survivor somehow doesn't make me a Survivor main.

Eninya

With all of the survivor nerfs that have happened in the past year, I fail to see how SWF needs to be removed beyond offering a solo survivor ranked queue, and an actual ranking system with real rewards.

Aside from one recent game as Legion where I let all but one person go, I haven't actually "lost" a match as a killer (<2K) in forever.

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@Ryuhi said:

@powerbats said:
You're right that was too ez.

I was making fun of his usage of a strawman. you were just massaging your ego?

I was making fun of your usage of making fun of his Straw Man, now who's massaging their ego and I also don't need to stroke or massage my ego. This is especially true over comments on a forum but you seem to need to judging by that comment.

Ryuhi

thats not how words work, @powerbats .

powerbats

@weirdkid5 said:

For one thing, it's a single player game so I'm not sure what kind of argument that is supposed to be. Every single game that exists on PC has a way to open a console command, even in DOOM 2016. No one who actually plays the game seriously will use that stuff. If someone wants to cheat in a single player game, that literally hurts no one. Mod support should always be a thing for single player games, like Fallout and GTA, where the devs directly support modding.

I merely pointed out you were using analogies as well.

Also DbD you used to have to buy DLC, but they changed it because it is more lucrative to sell cosmetics that can only be bought with money, which plenty exist.

Yet you can buy stuff with shards so that doesn't invalidate my point but reinforces it.

Except I can link you to a video of Mathieu Cote stating why this game was originally balanced around solo players. Here it is https://youtu.be/YH5jhyU6GjU

Except that's not the point, the devs always intended for swf to be a part of the game but they had to choose what made launch, KYF or SWF and they chose the former. That'd be the last devstream by the way.

Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.

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The only one that's bad here is you, it's always excuses and the devs have stated quite clearly it's not an exploit. If you can't get someone that means the problem is you and since you're a survivor looping shouldn't bother you.

Incorrect. Killers in fact have a bigger hitbox and this makes looping way more effective than it should be. The devs have stated before this is unintentional. Good work proving you dont know your stuff.

Oh boo hoo the killers have a bigger hitbox well did it ever occur to you that you can angle your turns to chase better. Why is it Marth and other top tier killers manage to take corners pretty well but you as a survivor main can't seem to do it as a killer.

Yet again you prove you're the only one here that doesn't know their stuff and after 2 years if you can't cut chases short that means the problem is you. I mean i learned how to chase better after just a few months but magically you after all this time can only make excuses.

Also the devs have nerfed and or removed some of the looping spots but darn those pesky facts.

I dont hide it because I literally stream all my matches homie lmao

So you stream all your matches well where's a link proving you play solo, where's the proof of you going perkless for a challenge, no items/addons. Where's the video of you playing killer so horribly so you can't make excuses when it's obvious you're the issue?

Face a group like the Depip squad, who even the best Killers in the game were unable to defeat. Nearly 100 wins in a row, with many Killers being top level Killers. So you're better than ScottJund?

Best killers that's laughable and you know it, they even admitted they were facing baby killers quite often who were doing dailies. So don't lie and say top tier killers nonsense because we both know that's a flat out lie. Oh and nice fallacy there.

That was during a free period lmao

You ignore when it wasn't though.

It peaked in Septmeber, during the end of the month when the game was free until the 25th of September. That's the only reason the pop hit 60k

Yet again you troll, it was above 10 all the way up to 30k at points during non FTP but hey lets not let actual facts get in the way of your trolling again.

The bottom line your 10k claim is false.

It was during a free trial period.

Again stop trolling and ignoring the days it wasn't FTP where it went over 10k.

Because 30k people play during events. Otherwise 10k people are playing. The other 20k likely only play during events.

That's not what I asked for and you know it, you made up data and extrapolated it to fit your biased narrative. Where's your hard and fast actual data saying people are leaving? You claimed people left the game not that they were playing other games possibly.

If people were actually leaving the game they wouldn't be coming back and playing at anytime not even during an event.

During a free trial period.

Again with the trolling, the stats clearly show there were people playing during non event times over 10k.

BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.

Hmmn over 4 million paid copies of the game and somehow magically none of those paid copies played the game. If peak pc was 60k and consoles were both equal that's only 180k yet we had over 1.5 million playing during the event.

If we use your failed logic we'd have to assume that none of those over 4 million paid copies of the game logged in during the event.

It was a free trial period dawg. Which was one of my arguments as well. You seemed to leave that out and focused on the event aspect of my argument. Good work.

So you said free trial, doesn't change the fact that people were also playing who OWNED THE GAME or did the fact over 4 million copies of the game have been sold escape you? Now since over 4 million copies of the game have been sold an event will of course have more paid players playing then free.

But hey don't let those facts get in the way of your trolling again just remember 4 MILLION PAID COPIES shoots your ftp claims full of holes.

No one enjoyed it if you actually paid attention to the forums during Pestualla.

I did and there were a lot of people that liked the event, their problem was the queues due to people playing one side exclusively. You know the queue issues that pop up from time to time that makes people hate the events?

But if no one liked it why were there posts saying positive things about it, I mean if no one liked it then obviously all the positive thread were complete illusions.

Yeah those pesky queue times that were why people hated the event so much not because the event was bad. But again you can't acknowledge the actual facts since that gets in the way of your biased and false narrative.

Yknow it's funny you mentioned ad hominem earlier when you started calling me a troll long before I called you a corporate shill lmao

Well that's funny your very 1st response to me contained this gem, now who started insulting whom 1st again?

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

I can guarantee you, by the devs own stats, 70% of games have SWF groups in them and nearly every survivor loops.

I can make up stats about looping too like I can say nearly every killer camps.

You can't improve against mechanics that literally are stacked against you and continue to favor only Hillbilly and Nurse.

Yet plenty of people play killers other than those and do fine but you somehow magically after 2 years can't adapt.

Oh look, a screenshot with no video context to go along with it. I can pull out many screenshots of me killing at Rank 1 as well as various games at Rank 1 if you'd like. You aren't impressive.

Oh look more deflections and Ad Hominems.

Lmao considering the game has no viable way for rhe Killer to counter voice chat, I'd like to see how you adapt to SWF outside of killing as quickly as possible and tunneling.

It's called planning ahead, using your brain, adapting your tactics to the moment, playing smart, minimizing your mistakes and causing them to make some. It's called actually playing well and not coming to the forums making up excuses while stating you're a survivor main yet making killer based excuses.

Just because most of the Survivor population is hot garbage and don't fully utilize their entire kit to their disposal doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist. Keep in mind the depip squad had 100 wins in a row as Survivors with NO PERKS and NO VOICE CHAT even against top levels like ScottJund brodie.

Yes again with the fallacy, as stated above that was a biased experiment that was against killer doing dailies including as Marth even said BABY KILLERS.

Another no context screenshot that's useless. I asked for videos of your gameplay, not screenshots that show only highlights against likely garbage survivors.

So more excuses and deflections, nothing new there.

Stop using words you don't know how to properly use.

I know enough about using them to irritate you because you can't refute them otherwise you'd not use that troll response.

You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL

Well that was just sad, lets see oh yeah OVER 4 MILLION PAID COPIES OF THe GAME HAVE BEEN SOLD. See I even bolded it for you so you couldn't miss it. That means that most people playing during events or FTP are more than likely PAID USERS.

Oh and PSN users got it for free if they PAID FOR AN UPGRADED MEMBERSHIP.

Too bad DbD was in fact free at the end or Septemeber, which is when the peak of 60k happened. Try doing a little research https://www.gamesear.com/news/the-multiplayer-horror-game-dead-by-daylight-is-free-to-try-out-on-steam-until-september-25th

Too bad it had over 10k during a non event but nice try ignoring that oh and see above about the OVER 4 MILLION PAID COPIES.

Sounds to me like I need to come out of retirement, because I already the top levels a long time ago.

It sounds to me you need to stop making excuses.

Except I hit Rank 1 long before it become a cakewalk to do so.

Ok post a screenshot of it and don't use the save data excuse since everyone knows you always backup client side data.

I literally already explained stopping the chase doesn't help but you ignored my argument. Stopping the chase just allows the guy to self heal, and that still leaves 2 other survivors on gens when you find the other guy, and the guy you stopped chasing before is now healed and on his own gen.

No I ignored your trolling since you're saying you're a survivor main and yet making killer excuses at the same time. You can stop the chase and move off then go back and smack the person healing. also a person healing isn't on gens which is what you as a killer wants.

Stopping the chase is exactly what loopers what you to do because the moment you do it, the Killer loses the game.

Yet more excuses 1st it's not stopping the chase loses you the game, now it's stopping the chase loses you the game. Why not make up your mind which is it then since I've got no problems breaking off chases when I need to and not losing the game on average.

I hit Rank 1 Survivor perkless a long time ago without using any items fam. It really isn't that hard. Would you like me to do it again? I'll stream every single match like I did before.

Go right ahead and prove you're doing it and link it here.

Except again, I already played to Rank 1 Killer perkless wearing bright Meg clothes. If I didn't lose my save, I would have worn my Legacy Prestige while doing it as well just to mock you further. But alas, the devs thought it was a good idea to make the save data for a multiplayer game save client side rather than server side, up until about 8 months ago or so.

Oh I had legacy P3 with all achievement unlocked before I even bought the game but if my save hadn't gotten corrupted i'd mock you with it. I can make things up as well and anyone that knows how important save data is when it's client side BACKS IT UP.

Except it is factual because I can do simple math. It takes 2 and a half to 3 minutes to get the game finished as survivors, and based on Killer's movement speeds and looping, no Killer except Nurse and Billy can win without the survivors simply making massive mistakes that any decent player wouldn't make.

Again making up facts then using them to bolster your argument shows you have none since if you're having to use only the best case scenario for your argument it just proves you have one. Then yet again if your best case scenario doesn't work you use more excuses to justify why it doesn't work.

Except in Smash Ultimate every character that was released before is in the game. No Smash game besides Smash 4 had DLC characters, and all DLC characters for Ultimate will be brand new. Good work not knowing what you're talking about, again.

You still have to buy a new game, DBD you buy a game and can get all DLC FREE except for the licensed stuff. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of your trolling again. Oh and it's only available on Nintendo not Xbox, not Playstation and not PC.

But would you imagine that DBD is available on all 3 of those platforms so your comparison to a single console exclusive release just went up in flames.

@brokedownpalace said:
@weirdkid5 are you still pretending to be a survivor main or have you dropped the act?

Sounds to me like I gotta come out of retirement. Not sure how the 600 of the 800 hours I've played as Survivor somehow doesn't make me a Survivor main.

For someone that claims to be a survivor main you're making up an awful lot of killer main excuses.

xXNurseXx

SWF doesnt matter 

No one forces you Guys to play a bad Killer.

Pro Tipp: Git gud with Nurse and enjoy the 4k every Game