Have you ever try to 4K against a decent team?
But Yui got a better one.
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For balanced game, yeah. Decent team should make it 2 escapes. But i doubt killers would be happy with that because you know, they need to make it 4K all matches. Even against teams so much better than them.
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If the team is decent but the killer is still better than them, then I disagree. If they are on the same skill level though then I can agree.
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I do hope on average and not absolute.
0% winrate for any killer once the sirvivors get "decent" sounds horribly unbalanced.
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Thing is, RNG is such a big factor in DBD and when skill levels are matched it really can go either way. Of course one stupid mistake can cost a team the entire game, same for killer for that matter. To state the bleeding obvious lol
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With 60% kill rate, the win rate is always higher than lose rate. You can try to math every possible out come for 12 kills out of 20 survivors in 5 matches.
That is correct, a decent killer should have at least 2K against a decent team. So most killers who say "try to 4K against a decent team" definitely not better than decent team to earn 4K.
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I dont want this to come off the wrong way, but most really good players (1v1 format players and comp players) play in Custom Matches most of their matches, they rarely touch pubs... so it's not like the best players die that often in their matches.
St1v1 is a prime example, absolute goated player, lasts minutes in chase against some of the best players in the game, but rarely plays Pubs.
But also... bc actual comp players dont really play Pubs often, I dont think Pubs should be balanced around Comp Teams, the game could maybe use more support for Comp outside of Pubs (e.g. Custom Match settings and Ranked playlist).
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I think theres a misunderstanding on my part. Cause Yui doesnt mention the killrate but "2 escapes".
I've read your Yui like she's saying that once you're "decent", you shouldnt be getting less than 2 escapes. Which in turn means that every trial with "decent" or better survivors, thered be a winrate of 0% for kilkersfor those trials, afterall you need 3 or 4 kills for a killer win. Thats why i asked if she means on average.
I didnt mean all trials for the global winrate but only those with "decent or better" survivors. Obviously the noobs and bad survs would overproportionally feed the global killrate more than the smaller group of "decent or better" survs".
I apologize if I was arguing about something you didnt intend to imply.
Maybe i shouldnt post early in the morning. I'm pretty sure I wouldnt misunderstand such simple sentences then.
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A match between a standard M1 Killer and 4 survivors will usually end in 1k or 2k if both are talented. If you've been playing for a long time, you'll often play with the same players, sometimes as allies, sometimes as enemies, so everyone will have that experience.
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The line many killers said "try to 4K decent teams". Made I have a thought "Do they really think decent teams really should not have 2 escapes?" which is what Yui means in the drawing. The 'average kill rate in general' is not related to Yui's line. 4K matches is a thing, and so does 0K that both sides have to accept.
I saw a few vids that some survivors ran killer (in 1v1) for 3-4mins, while its possible in real matches, but consider alot of times chased survivors lead killers to teammates' Gen. Disrupting the progress and may even injures/pressure another survivor. I had sometimes ran to deathzone while on last hook on purpose to stay away from teammates' Gens so they can finish. If it was 1v1, I would run to the Gen where pallet is still available to make chase longer. Though we should look into 95% of the games rather than customized comp, or tournament matches.
The current kill rate itself is fine and I dont complain about that. But the "try to 4K a decent teams" point that some killers try to make (which I has explanation to Raptorrotas above.)
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i think most killer want 3k's, not 4k's. 2k's are losses so no i don't think killers would like to lose more on average than win.
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Killers should win against teams if killer is better. If both are equal skills, whoever plays better should win. But if survivors are obviously better, they should win.
But problem is that, killers want to get 3-4k against all teams. Even if the team is so much better than killer.
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If most killers want 3K. They would not slug for the 4th.
But win or lose is up to the players, some sees 3K as a lose so even if they kill 17 survivors out of 20 (3K 3K 3K 4K 4K) they still think they lose more than win. If killers think 2K is a lose and 2 kills do not matter to the kill rate. Then survivors have 2 escape is a lose and 2 escapes should not matter to the escape rate.
Beside, the topic isnt about killers want 3K or 4K. Its about the iconic line from them "Try to 4K against decent teams" and my respond to it.
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And survivors want to escape every game.
I wish we could just stop with this us vs them mentality.
If one side outplays the other, they should win, regardless of how decent the other is. You shouldn’t expect to win every game no matter how good you are.
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Killer want to feel that they're losing because they played bad. The problem is that most of killer losses often come from survivors exploiting a killer weakness leading to the killer to believe that they lost due to lack of tools rather then lack of skill.
It is not so much that killer want 3k-4k against all teams, more so that they want the possibility to win against every type of team. you don't want to pick a killer, go into a swf match and then lose on loading screen.
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You should make a drawing where the killers are the teachers and the survivors are students in a class lol
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