Instead of fixing the problem of rush they make a buff to prove theyself? ...
Rush is a big problem, and instead of fixing it they make a buff ?, the only way to stop the rush is playing with the legion and sloppy butcher and with frank's mixtape and that is very unbalanced ..
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Legion cannot do much when four survivors are working on their own generator.
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@Arroz said:
Rush is a big problem, and instead of fixing it they make a buff ?, the only way to stop the rush is playing with the legion and sloppy butcher and with frank's mixtape and that is very unbalanced ..Id argue that its more to do with playing more mobile killers who can reach gens faster and down fast. Billy spirit nurse etc. Legion can be good and he can be bad if the team spreads out it can be hard to chain hits. Especially if survivors are spreading out across multiple gens the original gen rush strat. Honestly perks like prove thyself and leader encourage survivors to work on the same gen. With perks like ruin and discordance being popular this might be a fatal trap for survivors. Well have to see if the sheer amount of bonus progression outweighs the problem with gen rush.
Devs are looking into improving end game so maybe we might start seeing additional objectives post gens. That might be wishful thinking tho.
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yeah well of course they would buff prove thyself it was literal ass
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@Arroz said:
Rush is a big problem, and instead of fixing it they make a buff ?, the only way to stop the rush is playing with the legion and sloppy butcher and with frank's mixtape and that is very unbalanced ..The only way to prevent gen rush is to get good. Just get good. " I just got genrushed " means i just lost!
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@Slayer said:
@Arroz said:
Rush is a big problem, and instead of fixing it they make a buff ?, the only way to stop the rush is playing with the legion and sloppy butcher and with frank's mixtape and that is very unbalanced ..The only way to prevent gen rush is to get good. Just get good. " I just got genrushed " means i just lost!
No, last game was playing with legion because a ritual, and they let die one teammate in the hook for 2 generators... i just chased someone for like 20 seconds and already got 1 generator.., btw was easy to kill them, they suck at chases (most of the genrushers suck) got 2 kills..
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@Slayer said:
@Arroz said:
Rush is a big problem, and instead of fixing it they make a buff ?, the only way to stop the rush is playing with the legion and sloppy butcher and with frank's mixtape and that is very unbalanced ..The only way to prevent gen rush is to get good. Just get good. " I just got genrushed " means i just lost!
The only way to prevent gen rush is to play billy or nurse, the others cannot prevent a genrush unless the survivors 3 gen themselves.
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"Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer.
Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol1 -
@LegitAdventurer said:
"Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer.Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol
You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
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This is false. I play most killers. You can promote map control with any killer. Focus on gens, not survivors. Don't get caught up in a chase for no reason when you can get survivors off gens insteadMhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
"Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer.Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol
You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
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@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
"Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer.
Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol
You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
This is false. You play most killers. You can promote map control with any killer. Focus on gens, not survivors. Don't get caught up in a chase for no reason when you can get survivors off gens instead
Doesn't work against SWF, once you're chasing somebody they'll tell their buddies to do gens. And I refuse to do 3gen strats. If many gens are close to ######### like the shack or stuff like the asylum then you're ######### out of luck on most lowtier killers. There's a reason that you only saw nurse in the tournament.
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Sure it does. SWF isn't a win all. It's really not. Just because they're SWF doesnt mean You can't apply pressure lol. It sounds like you just need more practice.MhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
"Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer.
Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol
You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
This is false. You play most killers. You can promote map control with any killer. Focus on gens, not survivors. Don't get caught up in a chase for no reason when you can get survivors off gens instead
Doesn't work against SWF, once you're chasing somebody they'll tell their buddies to do gens. And I refuse to do 3gen strats.
Also why would you refuse to do 3 gen strats? That sounds like a personal issue lol.0 -
@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:
@LegitAdventurer said: "Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer. Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
This is false. You play most killers. You can promote map control with any killer. Focus on gens, not survivors. Don't get caught up in a chase for no reason when you can get survivors off gens instead
Doesn't work against SWF, once you're chasing somebody they'll tell their buddies to do gens. And I refuse to do 3gen strats.
Sure it does. SWF isn't a win all. It's really not. Just because they're SWF doesnt mean You can't apply pressure lol. It sounds like you just need more practice.
Also why would you refuse to do 3 gen strats? That sounds like a personal issue lol.
3 gen only works against bad survivors or randoms in the first place. Why work with ######### gamedesign at all instead of fixing things. I don't need more practice, that's just common knowledge and has been proven again and again and again to the point where us non-billy/nurseplayers are just fed up with explaining.
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@DudeDelicious said:
Slayer said:@Arroz said:
Rush is a big problem, and instead of fixing it they make a buff ?, the only way to stop the rush is playing with the legion and sloppy butcher and with frank's mixtape and that is very unbalanced ..
The only way to prevent gen rush is to get good. Just get good. " I just got genrushed " means i just lost!
That’s not helpful. You have in no way told the guy what exactly he should be practicing
The only thing I'd practice against genrush is billy/nurse which no, I won't. Just because the other killers have a low skillcap doesn't mean they should be unviable against survivors who try their hardest
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I don't play nurse or Billy. I'm actually terrible with both of them and I almost never get absolutely smashed with gen rush. Maybe its all that practice i put into Spirit Hag and Legion that made me rubber band all over the map being very disruptive. My current fav being Michael at high ranks. Just being super disruptive and forcing everyone off their gens all game.0
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I don't play nurse or Billy. So should I be fed up with it orrrr...MhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:
@LegitAdventurer said: "Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer. Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
This is false. You play most killers. You can promote map control with any killer. Focus on gens, not survivors. Don't get caught up in a chase for no reason when you can get survivors off gens instead
Doesn't work against SWF, once you're chasing somebody they'll tell their buddies to do gens. And I refuse to do 3gen strats.
Sure it does. SWF isn't a win all. It's really not. Just because they're SWF doesnt mean You can't apply pressure lol. It sounds like you just need more practice.
Also why would you refuse to do 3 gen strats? That sounds like a personal issue lol.
3 gen only works against bad survivors or randoms in the first place. Why work with ######### gamedesign at all instead of fixing things. I don't need more practice, that's just common knowledge and has been proven again and again and again to the point where us non-billy/nurseplayers are just fed up with explaining.
I defintely think you need more practice because everything you've explained tells me that you're playing killer wrong. Any sort of tunneling will get you "gen rushed" any sort of camping areas too. Chasing survivors needlessly too. Your job as killer is to control the map. If you don't have control over what the survivors are doing, they're only going to do gens.
Just like its a killers job to kill, its a survivors job go do gens. Complaining that all survivors do is gen rush, is the equivalent to saying "wow all that killer did all game was try and kill us as fast as he can woweeewewwww" thats the objective of the game lol2 -
@MhhBurgers said:
@Slayer said:
@Arroz said:
Rush is a big problem, and instead of fixing it they make a buff ?, the only way to stop the rush is playing with the legion and sloppy butcher and with frank's mixtape and that is very unbalanced ..The only way to prevent gen rush is to get good. Just get good. " I just got genrushed " means i just lost!
The only way to prevent gen rush is to play billy or nurse, the others cannot prevent a genrush unless the survivors 3 gen themselves.
@MhhBurgers said:
@LegitAdventurer said:
"Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer.Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol
You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
Stick to Mori then
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@MhhBurgers said:
@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:
@LegitAdventurer said: "Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer. Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
This is false. You play most killers. You can promote map control with any killer. Focus on gens, not survivors. Don't get caught up in a chase for no reason when you can get survivors off gens instead
Doesn't work against SWF, once you're chasing somebody they'll tell their buddies to do gens. And I refuse to do 3gen strats.
Sure it does. SWF isn't a win all. It's really not. Just because they're SWF doesnt mean You can't apply pressure lol. It sounds like you just need more practice.
Also why would you refuse to do 3 gen strats? That sounds like a personal issue lol.
3 gen only works against bad survivors or randoms in the first place. Why work with ######### gamedesign at all instead of fixing things. I don't need more practice, that's just common knowledge and has been proven again and again and again to the point where us non-billy/nurseplayers are just fed up with explaining.
It does work when you know what you doing . Any gens can get to be 3 gens you need it works.
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@TreemanXD, @PhantomMask20763
Yall are Rank one low-tier mains, right? Tell em it’s map pressure.
Personally, I play Legion with Duration or speed addons and do well most games0 -
From my point of view ALL the killers should have the same chances to have the gens control, all their objective is sacrifice for the entity and stop survivor repairing gens, how to stop a comms swf from repairing gens?, if you dont chase someone then the match will be 20/30 minutes and that's really bored..
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@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:
@LegitAdventurer said: MhhBurgers said:
@LegitAdventurer said: "Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer. Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
This is false. You play most killers. You can promote map control with any killer. Focus on gens, not survivors. Don't get caught up in a chase for no reason when you can get survivors off gens instead Doesn't work against SWF, once you're chasing somebody they'll tell their buddies to do gens. And I refuse to do 3gen strats. Sure it does. SWF isn't a win all. It's really not. Just because they're SWF doesnt mean You can't apply pressure lol. It sounds like you just need more practice.
Also why would you refuse to do 3 gen strats? That sounds like a personal issue lol.
3 gen only works against bad survivors or randoms in the first place. Why work with ######### gamedesign at all instead of fixing things. I don't need more practice, that's just common knowledge and has been proven again and again and again to the point where us non-billy/nurseplayers are just fed up with explaining.
I don't play nurse or Billy. So should I be fed up with it orrrr...
I defintely think you need more practice because everything you've explained tells me that you're playing killer wrong. Any sort of tunneling will get you "gen rushed" any sort of camping areas too. Chasing survivors needlessly too. Your job as killer is to control the map. If you don't have control over what the survivors are doing, they're only going to do gens.
Just like its a killers job to kill, its a survivors job go do gens. Complaining that all survivors do is gen rush, is the equivalent to saying "wow all that killer did all game was try and kill us as fast as he can woweeewewwww" thats the objective of the game lol
I mean, i did all what you say, apply a lot of pressure (had sloopy butcher, everyone was healing) AND they still pop up 2 gens instantly.. btw i dont complain about gen rushing, they need to escape from a serial killer the fast possible, but it's a asymetrical game.. "G A M E" Game is supossed to be fun, not to be bully by some rushers.. so let's not complain about noed and all will be okay, gonna run noed now..
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@Arroz said:
Rush is a big problem, and instead of fixing it they make a buff ?, the only way to stop the rush is playing with the legion and sloppy butcher and with frank's mixtape and that is very unbalanced ..At least it no longer stacks anymore. lol
Stacking Prove Thyself with my team mates was broken. It was like having a brand new part on every co-op gen0 -
@TreemanXD said:
@Arroz I main legion and usually double pip but my recent games I haven’t been “winning” but still double pip which I guess means I played well the best thing is map pressure and learning no matter how well you play some survivors might get out.Btw, the gens were a ######### spot for me (badham presschol) and let's remember im a survivor main haha
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@TreemanXD said:
@Arroz it’s a rough transition from survivor to killer I can tell you but yeah gen spots are pretty crappy rn but oh well guess we always have next game.
Yeah
, btw im just play as killer when i get a ritual.. sometimes is bored as killer (most of the times), for this i dont play too much, but sometimes it's really funny haha (like the scary myers build in lery's)0 -
If you aren't in a chase then you have little reason not to do gens.
The killer can only chase 1 survivor at a time and thus until that survivor is hooked there will be 3 survivors working on generators.
Most killers can be stuck in a chase for greater than 40 seconds given both a high skill survivor and a high skill player. In the event of a lower skilled killer it can last much longer, in the event of a lower skilled survivor it will likely last much shorter even if the killer isn't high skilled (note that the survivor's skill matters more than the killers here).
The exceptions to the above are: Nurse, Billy, Huntress, Spirit, Clown
Trapper and Hag can sometimes do good in the case of them running into a trap, however this is too unreliable to make them unloopable
Freddy, leatherface, Doctor, Myers, Wraith, Pig and Legion (just because his down is easy doesn't mean it won't take forever) all can be reliably stalled
Breaking chase with the survivor when they are good at the chase means that you lose the chance to get that 1st hook (meaning the survivor efficiency stays at 100% that much longer) AND it means there will be a whopping 4 survivors working on generators until you can find another one.
If all 4 survivors are good at the chase and you aren't playing as one of the 5-7 killers I listed above then you lose. It doesn't matter how good you are if you are mathematically going to lose if the other side does not make a mistake.
Ideally if everyone played perfectly the game would come down to it's random elements. Right now perfect play is a survivor win every time
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Well before I respond to this. If you arent having fun playing a game, you shouldn't be playing it. I also don't complain about noed, i like the challenge of this game, I mean some survivors are going to pop early gens, no matter what. But harassing two or 3 and losing a gen for 2-3 man pressure is still a good trade off. Especially if you're able to apply damage/hooks. Forcing survivors to heal and save. More time not spent doing gens. Thats essentially why legion is good, he's good at forcing survivors away from doing gens.Arroz said:@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:@LegitAdventurer said:
MhhBurgers said:
@LegitAdventurer said: MhhBurgers said:
@LegitAdventurer said: "Genrush" isnt real lol. Genrush means the killer didn't apply any map control. If you find yourself being genrushed and seeing it as a "real problem" than you need to get better at killer. Why would a survivor stop doing a gen if you aren't chasing them? Lol You cannot exert mapcontrol on most killers and I refuse to stick to billy or nurse or spirit, they are pretty exhausting to play.
This is false. You play most killers. You can promote map control with any killer. Focus on gens, not survivors. Don't get caught up in a chase for no reason when you can get survivors off gens instead Doesn't work against SWF, once you're chasing somebody they'll tell their buddies to do gens. And I refuse to do 3gen strats. Sure it does. SWF isn't a win all. It's really not. Just because they're SWF doesnt mean You can't apply pressure lol. It sounds like you just need more practice.
Also why would you refuse to do 3 gen strats? That sounds like a personal issue lol.
3 gen only works against bad survivors or randoms in the first place. Why work with ######### gamedesign at all instead of fixing things. I don't need more practice, that's just common knowledge and has been proven again and again and again to the point where us non-billy/nurseplayers are just fed up with explaining.
I don't play nurse or Billy. So should I be fed up with it orrrr...
I defintely think you need more practice because everything you've explained tells me that you're playing killer wrong. Any sort of tunneling will get you "gen rushed" any sort of camping areas too. Chasing survivors needlessly too. Your job as killer is to control the map. If you don't have control over what the survivors are doing, they're only going to do gens.
Just like its a killers job to kill, its a survivors job go do gens. Complaining that all survivors do is gen rush, is the equivalent to saying "wow all that killer did all game was try and kill us as fast as he can woweeewewwww" thats the objective of the game lol
I mean, i did all what you say, apply a lot of pressure (had sloopy butcher, everyone was healing) AND they still pop up 2 gens instantly.. btw i dont complain about gen rushing, they need to escape from a serial killer the fast possible, but it's a asymetrical game.. "G A M E" Game is supossed to be fun, not to be bully by some rushers.. so let's not complain about noed and all will be okay, gonna run noed now..
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Some killer have built in pressure in their power, like Freddy, Legion, Pig, Doctor ect. The thing is you have to learn to use it (except pig shes all rng) Try keeping everyone asleep or everyone in madness 3, or even try to always keep them mending, they waste time and you have more time to defend gens. Try running end game builds if you keep losing all the gens, there are counters0
