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Bubba changes vs Slinger changes

Bubba got a basekit buff which increases the length of his charges from 2 seconds to 2.5 seconds. He also received a basekit speed buff. As they usually do, they adjusted the addons which they made basekit. Award winning chili is now .2 seconds per charge spent. This is a flat out nerf.

Before the patch, bubbas charge duration while running AWC was 2.5 seconds on the first charge, 3.0 seconds on the second charge, and 3.5 on the third charge. Now, its 2.7 seconds, 2.9, and 3.1. The first charge being slightly longer is hardly relevant, because a majority of your hits will be on your second or third charge. Obviously if youre just backrevving that doesn't matter though.

Now for Slinger, he received several changes. The most notable (in my opinion) is the reduction to his stun time after his chain is broken. It was 3.0 seconds and was changed to 2.7. Cigar, the add-on that reduced stun time, has been decreased from a 1 second reduction to a .75 second reduction. Why did Bubba's add-ons receive a much bigger nerf in comparison to Slinger? And its not like slinger is a weaker killer than bubba, slinger is a very strong killer even before these basekit buffs. Anywhere from A tier to high B tier.

Also, in a game where Billy is able to curve around an entire jungle gym at 14 m/s, why are the devs so scared to make bubba's speed add-ons stronger?? There is ZERO argument for why bubbas BEST speed add-on is only a 2% increase.

Comments

  • Souplet
    Souplet Member Posts: 345

    I'd say thats because bubba is a noob stomper, but i might be wrong

    Maybe they fear that by buffing bubba, low mmr players will get overwhelmed

  • squbax
    squbax Member Posts: 1,749

    My theory is: bubba is way easier to pick up than slinger, so if they make bubba way better he will be way more common and a bigger problem. While slinger is played by few people and mastered by less, so giving him those changes isnt problematic towards thr casual playerbase.

    Now im not saying bubba doesnt need more changes just my theory on why these changes happened.

  • ReverseVelocity
    ReverseVelocity Member Posts: 5,498

    Bubba's basekit changes were more significant than Slinger's, I think. Bubba got speed increase, duration increase, tantrum time buff and a collision buff. Slinger got a negligible reel speed buff, a reload movement speed buff (which is pretty nice actually) and a standardization for breaking the chain.

    If you run the numbers, pre-nerf AWC is 9 seconds, while post-nerf AWC is 8.7 seconds. 0.3s is pretty negligable, as combined with the speed buffs, AWC has only lost about 1m of distance.

  • sizzlingmario4
    sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 7,845

    That’s not how Bubba’s charge duration addons work though, it doesn’t stack with itself like that, it just adds the same amount of time to each charge.

    So old award-winning chili (before the buff) was just 2.5 seconds per charge for a total of 7.5 (which is the same as the new default time). Yellow chili was 2.25 seconds per charge (total 6.75).

    The maximum time with both chili addons used to be 2.75 per charge (8.25 total) and now it is 2.85 per charge (8.55 total). So the end result with both addons is still better than it was before.

  • hatchetChugger
    hatchetChugger Member Posts: 442

    yeah, and as someone who plays a lotta bubba there are many times where i just barely get a down at the end of the third charge, and that was with old chili. So that difference will not be negligible. A 2% speed increase is ridiculous and it should be atleast 5%

  • hatchetChugger
    hatchetChugger Member Posts: 442

    No. Chili is additive and increases with each charge spent

  • sizzlingmario4
    sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 7,845

    I put together a quick video with purple chili showing that it does not increase with each charge. If it did (as in, if it was 2.7 seconds, then 2.9, and then 3.1 for the last charge), the total chainsaw time would be 8.7 seconds. As you can see here, that is not the case.

  • Marioneo
    Marioneo Member Posts: 808

    im gonna say bubba was the winner for huge buffs his collision detection got a 50% reduction you can needle and thread bubba his tantrum is only max 3 secs paired with both reduction addons its 2 sec the minor buffs to chainsaw duration and speed also granted him 1 to 2 meters of distance

  • HexHuntressThighs
    HexHuntressThighs Member Posts: 1,245

    Leatherface is an insta down killer. He should have harsher downsides. Honestly they way overbuffed him by reducing the collision and tantrum timer. It should’ve just been the speed and duration increases.