Dracula 8.4.0 PTB Changes
Hello! I just want to start off and say I have so much passion for this killer and franchise, when he came out I grinded my way to P100 and got him done as soon as possible and was able to become the 1st and I have over 6000 Hellfire hits on the Leader board so I want to take Dracula's balancing accordingly.
First thing I want to start off by stating some add-ons that still did make it and I would like to see get some changes:
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- Force of Echo (Rarity Changed to Yellow): Grants Killer Instinct while in Bat Form for 3 Seconds. My reasoning to this is I am confused and have been confused since his release and old Force of Echo to why it buffs Wolf Form. The Description quotes: "An Artifact that grants BATS even greater senses in the dark" so I'm unsure why it is buffing wolf. I feel like killer instinct would properly fit the addon and description of it as well while also giving it tons of value as well.
- White Wolf Medallion (Rarity Changed to Green): This add-on I would like to see be replaced for Force of Echo and gain its effects instead. (Increases spawn rate of Scent orbs by 17%) The Description quotes: A trinket once used to call a Spirit guide. You use scent orbs to guide you and find survivors and since it is a wolf medallion and it buffing wolf it would come in line with the icon and description. The Killer instinct on the add-on giving an additional 0.8 seconds isn't worth using the add-on and I have never used and probably would never use the add-on. Since the killer instinct is map wide 2 seconds is enough time to be able to spot where the survivor is at. If you wanted to make it base-kit but only 0.5 of it. But I feel like it should get Force of Echo's effects.
- Cube of Zoe: This add-on is very very lackluster and I would like to see it either get buffed up to either 15 seconds or make the Hellfire pillars spawn more frequently. There are games where you won't get a single hit off this add-on due to primarily how the hellfire pillars spawn out and survivors can walk over it. I would prefer the duration buff as it would cause more of a threat and would fit more into load outs over other add-ons.
- Lapis Lazuli: This add-on went from 4 secs to 15 seconds and I was honestly so surprised. I just think it should get toned down to 10 seconds because you basically have a free Bamboozle in an add-on.
- Medusa's Hair: This one is a given to be changed but I would love to see it changed to where it makes survivors scream anytime you teleport near them. This would keep it at a very good strength of being a Purple add-on while also changing the insanely strong effect it has right now. Plus since it is Medusa's Hair it would fit Medusa as a character since people scream right before they turn into stone.
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BASE-KIT CHANGES:
Vampire Form: The changes to Hellfire is questionable. I am okay with giving him a longer cool down but giving him nothing to compensate on an already counter able ranged attack is concerning and I personally feel will draw people away from the character/using hellfire at all. I propose you either give him 1 extra Hellfire Pillar or increase the movement speed charging hellfire to around 3.9-4.0m/s that way it still has a penalty for holding it too long and its the same movement speed as survivors while also not making it as strong as Punishment of the Damned as Pyramid Head holding his power moves at 4.4m/s and has a longer range. The Difference between the two ranged attacks here is Hellfire cannot go through walls and tall objects and is very easily avoidable so nerfing his weakest form while giving him nothing to compensate for it will be concerning for Vampire Form and most people will just straight up abandon it and stick to Wolf form as its the better form.
Wolf Form: Wolf Form in the current PTB changes is perfect please do not change him or add any other buffs. I like the spawn rate for Scent orbs is half the time of haste you get from the Orbs so half the time you are back to 115% and have to use the 2.5 haste to position yourself correctly. As for the "well he's hard to aim" That's the cool thing about Wolf form, You have to predict where they are going and when you get that hit that's when it's satisfying; giving him a faster attack phase wouldn't honestly do anything. I do agree right now though I do play wolf like blight as you pounce on something and can immediately attack after.
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Wolf Form in the current PTB changes is perfect please do not change him or add any other buffs. I like the spawn rate for Scent orbs is half the time of haste you get from the Orbs so half the time you are back to 115% and have to use the 2.5 haste to position yourself correctly. As for the "well he's hard to aim" That's the cool thing about Wolf form, You have to predict where they are going and when you get that hit that's when it's satisfying; giving him a faster attack phase wouldn't honestly do anything. I do agree right now though I do play wolf like blight as you pounce on something and can immediately attack after.
Wolf form is still bad. The tracking is mostly useless and his pounce is most of the time worse than Hellfire. There is usually zero reason to go Wolf unless Hellfire is on cooldown.
I will never stop to say: wolf form was marketed as Dracula's tracking tool, not another chase tool.
His tracking is useless when you mostly need it, and thats when you are not in chase and trying to locate survivors. If they do not run they do not spawn orbs. If they hide you will not track anything at all. The tracking starts most of the time when you are in chase, and at that moment you will not need it. The scratch marks and pools of blood changes are mostly useless as long as you have eyes. Killer instinct is too short and you hear them doing the fast action anyways, and most of the time if they vault a pallet/window you can see where they go after. Orbs are useless with all the natural tracking (scratch marks, pools of blood, hearing footsteps) you should have and only used for the extra movement speed. I have probably over 200 Dracula matches since the PTB (i have been playing Dracula only) and i can count with one hand's fingers the times i said "holy molly, if i wasnt in wolf form i would have lost that survivor".
And now the Pounce. Its far worse than Hellfire. Worse to hit (easier to dodge, you cannot control the second pounce charge time and you are forced to do it) and on most tiles Hellfire is just better. I understand that it "should" be used when you cannot Hellfire but most of the time you cant and its better to just M1. If the loop has high obstacles (rocks/trees) a lot of time they are circular loops with a lot of rubbish, which makes hitting the Pounce impossible. Only worth on open field (still easy to dodge) or on loops with high straight walls, and the funniest thing is that on those loops there is usually a window/pallet where you can bait with Hellfire much better instead of trying to pounce.
So, Wolf form tracking is mostly useless and his chase power is worse than Hellfire. The buffs where nice and needed but its not the type of buffs Wolf form needs.
Im fine if as a chase power its worse than Hellfire, but it needs at least to be good at tracking survivors. Make it able to locate survivors easier if you are not in chase, make them always spawn an orb, even if it needs to be on a lower rate than in chase to compensate. But the form needs to be good at least at tracking.
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I would just scrap the entire Haste thing for Wolf. Make Orbs spawn sporadically on all Survivors, no matter their current action, no matter if running, crouching, standing, walking.. just make them spawn. And once you collected an Orb, instead of giving you Haste, it gives Killer Instinct on the Survivor who's Orb you collected.
Also, revert the Hellfire nerf, I called it.. and I still think it's unecessary.
Edit: Also increase his Aura range for Scent Orbs to 20 metres. Basically Cerberus Talon basekit.
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Wolf isn't bad though. I do fairly well being able to track survivors. Wolf does not need any buffs. If I had to choose either Hellfire or Wolf to get buffed I would choose Hellfire. You have to position yourself correctly 2.5sec of haste you get to multiple openings for attacks and hits and use that to get pounces as well. He has a lot going in for his Wolf kit where its not necessary to give him anymore.
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Giving him extra range on scent orbs would make him kinda strong. I like that you have to be somewhat in a distance of the survivor to find where they are at. If you increase the range you will easily be able to teleport near them with bat and get free hits especially if you wanna do where they spawn scent orbs constantly. I think that would be a very very unhealthy change.
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You know I kinda like that idea bc it actually makes wolf into a decent tracking tool. Right now wolf is just a really underwhelming chase and tracking tool. I rather it be a really good at chase or really good at tracking.
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And yet Hellfire got nerfed and wolf got buffed because it was not being used much. Why you would try to get the 2.5 sec of haste…when you can just turn into Bat form and move at 6.5m.
I would seriously like to know how you manage to track people with wolf better, because i usually dont need the wolf form to track them in the chase and outside the chase it doesnt depend on you: it depends on the survivors not running.
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I have been playing Dracula since he came out and I promise you wolf did not need a buff. The reason why it got buffed is because everyone that is terrible with wolf form thinks its bad when in reality its not. Hellfire got nerfed because everyone said it was OP and it isn't at all. If you're struggling with the core mechanics and counters built into his kit the call may be coming from inside the house.
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I also have been playing Dracula since the PTB, so thats not really a point. Wolf is getting buffed but you are assuming that "everyone is terrible with the wolf" and the "call may be coming from inside the house", not admitting that maybe the wolf is just bad. Just because you are doing well with him doesnt mean much. I have seen Trappers get 4k without using any traps, so, please nerf Trapper?
Wolf is still terrible and im still waiting for you to tell me how do you do to track survivors "fairly well". As right now for me…
In chase: I dont even need the Wolf tracking. Just with the scratch marks, pools of blood, survivor grunts i am able to track them well enough with any killer.
Outside of chase: if you can tell me how you do track them better here i would really appreciate it, as it doesnt depend on you but it does depend of the survivors running. If they do not run/do fast actions you cannot track anything.
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Why are you comparing an m1 killer to an m2 killer that makes no sense. Either way Wolf is NOT bad and it did not need buffs you have to correctly position yourself to get hits and for tracking wise. What do you want from wolf 10% haste on orbs? map wide scent orbs? instant pounce? I'm confused what buffing wolf would do when it is already in a good spot. It wouldn't be good to spoon feed a form and then make it insanely oppressive when it's already better than Vampire form.
What the reveal distance does is it the AURAS shown, you will still be able to see the scent orbs from way further from that if you're paying attention and since they have transition lines on them you can see what direction they went in as well.
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Wolf is bad. You are saying that is better than Vampire form and yet it is buffed while Vampire form is nerfed. You are assuming that literally everyone is bad with the Wolf form so they dont use it, you are making it sound like you are better than literally everyone?
Also saying that i want, what? 10% haste orbs? Map wide orbs? Instant pounce? Sorry, but thats a blatant strawman fallacy. But you already know that.
What the reveal distance does is it the auras shown, you will still be able to see the scent orbs from way further from that if you're paying attention and since they have transition lines on them you can see what direction they went in as well.
Many points here.
- Survivors fault for running. If the survivor didnt run the orb wouldnt have dropped.
- By the distance of the orb, by the moment you go there the survivor would be far, far away.
So no, Wolf form is still bad. Few people use it because its bad. And keep in mind that i actually use it, but the form is still bad. And better than Vampire? Hell no. Vampire is already miles better than Wolf.
Also, one last thing. My point was not to actually compare an M1 killer with an M2 killer, but more like about the "i am doing well with it so it is good and everyone is bad".
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What? I never said I was better than everyone where are you getting that. I meant that everyone that is saying that wolf form is terrible are probably the ones that can't react well with pounces. Stop assuming that I think I am better when everyone else when I am not. I know I am not. Like I said the reason why Hellfire got nerfed is because players (have to say players and not everyone since everyone is a key word to being offensive apparently) were saying its a zoning tool and its "oppressive" when its not and easily avoidable and has its separate punishments for it. Wolf can easily track, get hits (especially if you can react well) has 2 built in perks and haste in his kit. He is by far a good form and way better than Vampire form I rest my case.
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Ppl like that person live in their own little bubble. They think since they are good at something then it must be fine and its everyone else fault that they are bad at it. Look at the newest killer, I've seen ppl saying the same thing that guy is saying about Wolf. "Oh, she doesn't need buffs, she's fine! I can perform just fine on her. She just requires a lot of 'skill'" Meanwhile everyone around them is saying the complete opposite. These ppl think everyone is below thier skill level as them.
I agree with you, wolf is bad. It is by far Dracula's worst power even with the small buffs it got and the nerfs the other forms got. Vamp even with the 10-sec hellfire is better than wolf, bat is still better than wolf. The devs said they buff wolf in hopes of getting ppl to play it more but the amount of buffs it getting isn't going to make anyone play it other than the 1% of his players who living in their own little world where they think its his best power.
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I never said I was better than everyone else I know i'm not get that thought out your head. I just meant that everyone that says wolf is bad are probably the ones that can't react well in between pounces and don't realize EVERYTHING wolf has in his kit.
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I want you to quote where I said I am better than everyone else then come back here because I NEVER said that stop putting words into my mouth. I know I am not better than everyone else. You just aren't understanding the full capabilities to wolf and thats fine. But I promise you Wolf is better by far.
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And by the "everyone" is bad I meant that the people that are complaining about wolf and say its his weakest form are probably the ones that can't react well and panic inbetween pounces. You should be punished for playing poorly why get spoon fed and make it insanely easy and unrewarding? I'm confused on your takes here. But my bad can't use the word "everyone" without it seeming i'm better when I know i'm not the killer just came out everyone that has played him still has room for improvement so stop assuming that.
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I still stand by what I said. You very much coming off as someone who thinks their better than others and think everyone can achieve the same skill level as you. No matter what you say, nothing going to change my mind about wolf. It's unfun to control, has bad tracking, and is Dracula's wrost power compared to bat and vamp. Personally all I want is the the ability to choose to do the 2nd pounce or not. Being forced to do the 2nd is unfun and leads to time where the survivors can easily dodge it by just reacting. I rather play Wesker, at least I can control his dashes and isn't frustrating to play.
Worst part I wanted so badly to enjoy Dracula bc I'm huge Castlevania fan and huge Dracula fan but they did my boy wrong...they made him into a copycat killer who powers are just weaker versions of other killers powers.
Either way I'm not backing down with my statement about you or wolf form.
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Ok, don't double down then I could care less what you think of me If anything you're coming off abrasive thinking that of me when I literally was just giving an opinion about how wolf form is. Like I said I don't think I am better than anyone else I was just giving an opinion on wolf form and you got defensive. Vampire Form will always be his weakest form and theres no changing that. And no they didn't do him wrong what did you want him as another dash killer?
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You literally said:
"Everyone that is terrible with wolf form thinks its bad when in reality its not" (copy and pasted from your comment)
So, for some reason you seem to have some knowledge than literally everyone (that plays Dracula, or the Wolf form at least) dont. Im pretty sure that will be some people that dont know how to play the Wolf and think its bad, at the same time there will be a lot of people that have been trying it and still think its bad. The fact is that its an underused form from a reason, and i dont think it is because "everyone dont know how to play it". And BHVR seems to be on line with that way of thinking as it is getting buffed while Vampire is nerfed.
Also, "Vampire Form will always be his weakest form and theres no changing that", sorry but literally most of the people and BHVR seems to think otherwise, so… you are pretty much alone on that sentiment with maybe some very few people. Hell i have even seen people bash Dracula saying it was overpowered, strong, broken or whatever but still admit that the Wolf form was terrible.
So, im sorry but most of the people playing Dracula, including both the ones that play Wolf and the ones that dont, seems to agree that Wolf form is not good. And seeing the PTB even BHVR seems to agree with that sentiment.
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The nerf to hellfire is baffling
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I meant it in the sense of everyone that thinks I didnt mean it that way but i'll make sure to FULLY describe what I mean next time since you have to get so offended over it. It's not that personal my guy all im saying is the ones that panic and can't react and focus well on tracking are the same ones saying wolf should be buffed but hey to each their own. I never said I am the best player I know i'm not he LITERALLY just came out. You really think i'm gonna be the best Dracula? No I am not.
People are saying Hellfire was "broken" to the zoning aspect not the actual ranged attack itself. Either way I am done arguing with you. You can't have a conversation without blowing a gasket thinking that i'm somehow better than everyone else when i'm clearly not and giving opinion why wolf should not be buffed, if you need to really learn wolf I am sure there are some guides online about it or even practice wesker to learn how to not panic inbetween pounces and get a fluid motion into it. Have a good day.
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Indeed. It should have been 11 secs at the very least.
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Fun fact: Wesker has been my main until Dracula was in PTB, i probably have a thousand games on him at least. Im pretty sure i have a clear understanding on how Wolf pounce works and, even if i am also maybe not the best Dracula in the world, its not about a "learning" thing. I could put a uno-reverse card on you and say that if you use Wolf that well, its probably because you are playing against terrible survivors. But i cannot know, the same way as you cannot know how good with the Wolf i am.
You are calling me "offended", but you are here the one that is writing sentences with words like THIS and even saying you are done "arguing" with me. With all honesty, the one offended seems to be actually you.
I was not arguing, just conversating. Its true that i am passionate about this killer and i sometimes tend to write walls of text when "arguing" (not in the bad sense of the word) about him. But, if you are done with this, then understandable, have a nice day and i hope you the best.
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Please…practice Wesker to get better at Wolf? lol. The two are day and night in terms of strength. I played a bunch of wesker and have had way more success playing him than I have ever had with wolf. Wesker Dash is 10x better and more fun to use bc you have complete control over it. Pounce you are forced to do both one after the other, with no input when the 2nd comes out or a way to cancel it. Survivors can easily react to dodge a wolf's pounce whereas survivors have to play this little mindgame with a good Wesker(Is he going to use his 2nd dash or will he just let the time run out/cancel it). Imo that's why Pounce and Wolf as a whole will always be Dracula's worst power bc you as the player have so little control over it and the game forces you to do the 2nd pounce no matter what while Nurse Wesker can choose if they do their 2nd dash or blink within a small timeframe. If anyone practices on Wesker they will realize how ######### Pounce actually is LOL. This is why I will always call him a sad copycat killer, all his powers are just meh versions of other killer's powers. The dark lord himself was reduced to a jack of all but master of none copy cat killer.
Also, I always love when ppl say "If you need to learn go watch a guide"…There barely any good guides for killers for this game…no cc wants to make them and the ones that do rather go talk about super advanced stuff no casual/avg player really needs to know.
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You can say "copy cat" killer but they work differently in a sense and each form have their ups and downs while their copys also have their ups and downs that are different from Dracula so in a sense he is but he also isn't. I said Wesker because he is the closest thing you can practice with pounces and learning how to have the panic control over. He has 2 dashes you can do it instantly and recharge it so you can do it over and over to learn and then that can help you get consistent with pounces as well.
Having the instant pounces is what an actual wolf would do it shows how aggressive a wolf is. In a real scenario a wolf doesn't charge at you and then goes "well actually I don't wanna attack you anymore". So I see why the Wolf pounce isn't optional.
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It's a video game, not a real scenario…also it's not even a real wolf! He is a vampire who turns into a wolf! Are saying when Dracula turns into a wolf he losing the ability to think and just acting like a wild aggressive animal? XD That goes against what Dracula is, he isn't some super aggressive wild animal… He a highly intelligent being.
As for the panic thing I have been playing wesker ever since his release and I can use his power just fine and understand it very well without panicking so I have idea of how Pounce works. Its not I'm panicking when Im play wolf, it's the fact that survivors can easily dodge my pounces bc they know the exact timing of the 2nd Pounce since its the same EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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The hellfire nerf is something unnecessary. Main problem with dracula is that his batform is unlimited spirit phase just bit slower. Bat form allows you to teleport within 32m, go unlimited time wherever you want and massive speed, being used as spirit during chase without lunge. The only nerf he deserves was hitting after bat form and bat form to have some duration and cooldown. Wolf form is underrater imo, it's not great but not bad either and faster pounce base will be welcomed.
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I never said he loses the ability to think.. they're just making it seem like a real scenario so it fits the actual character. By your logic bat should see survivors and remove the extra hearing foot steps right? No, they're making it like the actual form describes. A Bat can't see but has good hearing therefore why Bat Form can't see survivors but has better hearing lol.
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I stand by my original comment that this is a VIDEO GAME!!!! At the end of the day nothing you going to say to change my mind about wolf. It's his weakest powers, a weak version of Wesker dash, unfun to play bc you have no agency or choice when it comes to the pounces and the orbs do barely anything since the tracking sucks on them and the haste is completely unnoticeable. Also I add something about bat since you brought it up. The 50% louder footsteps might as well not be a thing. I'm all my hours playing this killer I never noticed louder footsteps bc all I can hear is the annoying squeaking of the damn bats...In fact I never knew that you got increased hearing in bat till someone showed me in wiki(since the game never tells you). Anyway I'm done. Enjoy your dollar store Wesker.
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Go to the DBDWiki and DBD Release Patch Notes for Castlevania he has 50% louder footsteps in Bat Form. Just because you may think Wolf Form is his weakest form doesn't make it his weakest form you have to think about everything he has in his Wolf Kit compared to Vampire Kit.
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