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So are the downvotes staying... or?
Just a bit confused because I saw a thread like months ago talking about the downvotes added to the forums, and how it was apparently a mistake that caused them to be brought back. I think I read that they'd be removed again very quickly.
But months later they're still here, so I'm wondering if they're staying? Is there any reason if so? Genuinely curious.
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They should go
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I hope so
Edit: For no other reason than - they are hilarious7 -
since they are basically only used by people lacking arguments in a discussion for ratioing other people as a way to make argument of other people void due to "hey, you got ratiod beo, 10 downvotes and one upvote", they should go
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Downvotes and upvotes are a silly system.
When you start introducing badges and awards as well you enter problem territory.
People buy and sell reddit accounts with high karma and votes to spread whatever crap they want on the internet.
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Personally, I would like them to go.
I was fine with just upvotes being a thing, and you could often times gauge popular and unpopular comments in that way too.1 -
It is really strange when you see a constructive and well thought out comment with 14 downvotes and 2 upvotes, it's always the same people it seems to happen to as well. With downvotes, you can just click the button and move on, instead of providing a reasonable disagreement and explaining why. I don't think it's healthy.
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According to Mandy, it's an experiment, so no bugs there.
But, like, that experiment has been going on for well over a month now so idk what kind of results they're looking for atp.
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I think they’re pretty funny tbh, but I can see how they can also stifle discussion. I’d be fine with them being removed for that reason.
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I think they’re entertaining too. It’s can be a bit eye opening as well. I’ve had conversations with someone in another post, just the two of us doing the nerf pig meme back and forth, and I would get 1 singular downvote every time lol many of my messages will have just that 1 single downvote and I’m like 🤔 someone does not like me very much.
But I do agree that as entertaining as they are, they can hold back discussions. Plus I’d hate for someone to feel really uncomfortable with speaking because they’re just worried they’re gonna get downvoted.
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@Mushwin Remember when you had the most downvotes first time they introduced this? It was hilarious ngl.
It's still funny when people get randomly downvoted for anything they say even non dbd related. It's memey and has comedic value that this forum lacks, not to be taken seriously.
I have to say @danielmaster87 seems to be the current champion tho, @Mushwin is dethroned.
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Sometimes, the system is decent because it kinda shows who posts some…poor takes. It can also be objectively funny.
On the other hand, I'd rather encourage discussion rather than one-click meaningless interactions. Perhaps both upvotes and downvotes should go.
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do you remember when that epicfailtryhard person would also get down voted into oblivion!!! Yeah they’re bullying daniel though! Sometimes it’s sound advice or feedback too and I’m just like genuinely confused why he got downvoted.
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I think the downvotes are hilarious, but maybe that’s a hot take, I don’t mind them, but ultimately idc if they stay or go. I really only hit the down button when someone is being unnecessarily rude.
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Precisely why i want to see them go. They are usually used more as a bullying tactic to "disagree" with someone rather than to show that they made a good or a bad post. When someone spends time to provide a well thought out comment people can just "down vote" it without actually engaging in the topic and discussion at hand. Precisely why i just disabled them in my browser so i can't see them. Did the same with reddit to a while back.
The theory behind them is fine, if someone makes a thought out constructive post, you upvote it, showing that it was a good post, whereas if someone is spamming you down vote it to show that it was just spam and note a useful post.
The problem is that people can make a post that says "I like Strawberry ice cream, and here is why" and someone comes in and just says "ew i don't like strawberry icecream" and downvotes it, without actually realizing that the person just made a post about something they like, just because you don't like it doesn't mean their post was bad.
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Zero reason for them to be removed so I hope they stay. Downvotes allow us to disagree without having to respond. There are lots of people that we wouldn’t be able to have rational, logical and non emotional conversations with about topics which is the reason for not wanting to post an actual response for why we disagree. Downvotes let us communicate while keeping things non confrontational.
They’re good for snapshot community perception. Upvotes are utterly meaningless and serve no purpose if you can’t see downvotes.
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downvotes is a way to find out feedback on a statement or opinion it going away is a bad thing or you'll get an echo chamber
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Downvotes should be removed. They just hinder discussions, instead of having to come up with an actual argument, people just click a button. And if you cannot bother to think about an argument, you should not be able to downvote.
Also, I personally really dislike if simple questions get downvoted. E.g. there was a person yesterday asking how to get rid of the black Bars if you play on a resolution other than 16:9 (they were playing on 1920x1200) and the first thing someone did was downvoting it. It just gives some really unwelcoming vibe to new Users who clearely dont post anything wrong.
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A very good argument to be honest.
I have seen a trend forming in my own comments as well, where I often get downvoted for no apparent reason other than disagreements, so I can see your statement of "It just gives some really unwelcoming vibe" being especially true.
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I think they should stay. Sure an argument can be made that is hinders discussions/arguments, but do we really need 10+ comments telling someone that their post/comment is a bad take?
I feel like the up/down vote system is there so users can show that they either agree/disagree with something being said without needing to comment on said thing.-1 -
It's plainly obvious that pro killer posts are downvoted while pro survivor opinions are upvoted to the moon
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I'm not fussed by them, I think they're fine. Unless I go back and look at my comments, which I have no reason to do, I don't even see them.
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I dont get why people have an issue with @danielmaster87's posts. A lot of what he says is 100% correct. Not everything but a lot of it.
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It's actually kinda growing on me in a way. A ######### take is going to get downvoted regardless of how you try and spin it. The people don't lie 🤣😂💀
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They need to stay to show how awful this community is. I’ll never forget I commented that I thought Haddie was 40-50 years old on a post anasking how old she was and I got 700+ downvotes on Reddit. It was at that moment that I realized downvotes have absolutely no weight or meaning to them at all but shows off how absurd this community is.
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very well put. Honestly yeah a lot of people don’t deserve the mass amount of downvotes they get when they’re one of the few people *cough daniel* that take the time to write out constructive feedback even if I disagree with parts of it or all of it. They still obviously pour a lot in, and give well articulated arguments, and are pretty respectful, and I’d rather be on the forums talking to them than some ad hominem poster that thinks their opinions are the only one that matters.
At least I can have a conversation with Daniel that doesn’t make me want to roll my eyes and disconnect my brain from reading what he has to say because it is a solid perspective on things, unlike some people where it’s just like you literally have to take the high road every single time you talk to them.
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They really serve no purpose. People will downvote anything even if the context doesn't make sense to do so.
Here is a cute kitty cat.
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May the chaos ensue.
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Honestly i like it. A lot of arguments are just so outrageous that replying is a waste of time. So it's nice that people can just agree that it shouldn't be discussed by voting it downed instead
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They cause way more trouble than they're worth and create similar issues to down and up votes on Reddit. I'm seeing well worded and thoughtful posts get downvoted JUST because the poster has a Killer PFP, so the same prejudice as on Reddit is alive and well here too with the downvotes.
The issue with upvote-downvote systems rather than just upvotes is this: if you say something someone disagrees with, then that inclines people to go "oh bad take" and just downvote without really reading it. If enough people do that it then looks like that person posts bad takes when really, the person could have been downvoted for long posts, or posts that said something controversial. That leads to a chilling effect where everyone polices everything they say and some opinions never get heard - it could even lead to much needed balancing ideas being considered bad just due to number of downvotes.Downvotes are not needed in this community or any other forum community especially when we can just upvote to show approval. They're causing more problems than solutions and creating a hostile forum environment. They need to go.
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I think it only takes one comment disagreeing with another one so that people can then upvote on the comment they agree with.
My feeling on this is that downvoting isn't needed when upvoting is a thing. I think people don't do a lot of rage-upvoting, and upvotes can't be as easily used to harass users as downvotes can. We're seeing a few users here getting downvotes presumably just because they've said things people disagree with in the past. But someone's past comments don't invalidate their future potential to make reasonable contributions to a discussion.
Beyond that, as others have mentioned, some people will feel less inclined to post opinions they believe will be unpopular, even when their opinions are just as valid as someone else's. And when people downvote, there's not a clear way to see what part of a comment or post they're disagreeing with, which hinders productive discussion. Without downvotes, there needs to be at least one person who writes a comment that explains what they disagree with. Then others can upvote the dissenting comment if they agree with what it says.
So I think having downvotes doesn't add to the discussion in any meaningful way that isn't already accessible to the system without downvotes. But downvotes can have a negative impact on the quality and thoroughness of the discussions we have. We're probably providing better feedback to BHVR and to each other with the previous system.
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I do think they serve a purpose, as it allows a quick way to tally agreement with a certain take, which can be valuable for compiling feedback. Without upvotes, people would have to leave a constant stream of little 'I agree' posts or just ceaselessly copy an argument someone else already made.
Downvotes don't really serve that purpose that well though, since it doesn't tell anything about what or why there's disagreement. I'd be fine with them getting axed again.
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I hate questions.
Downvoted.
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Yeah, I think that unfortunately a downvote is most often used in place of actually saying something, which I don't think is a constructive path to go down. It stifles actual discourse.
And I'd bet some people will downvote a post that they wouldn't want to publicly argue against. It's a way of being divisive without taking any ownership of your position.
I think it should go, but if it BHVR wants to keep it, they should show who cast the vote (up or down), like so many other forums do.
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Downvotes give me cold sweats at night. I dread posting here, but it is my duty to do so and spread my opinion for the greater good of the game. But those damned downvotes… I fear them. I fear the stigmatization of having a highly downvoted post. I dread the counter going up when I had poured my heart out into a comment, sharing my innermost beliefs, only to be crushed by a torrent of downvotes, destroying my spirit. I fear them, but I will be strong and carry on, even if there are downvotes now.
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I liked to upvote certain posts in the past as a way to say thank you for sharing that opinion, that wasn't something I'd considered before. This was especially true of opinions that I didn't necessarily personally agree with. But now I feel like I can't really do that anymore, since with the presence of a downvote button, I feel like upvoting something gives it my approval.
I also find that the best forum posts have been the ones that have taken nuanced approaches to certain issues. These posts are unlikely to get as many upvotes or downvotes because they tend to be reasonably balanced or because people might agree with some of what was said, but not everything. I worry that this kind of feedback is going to fly more often under the radar if BHVR are just looking at feedback as some binary thing.
I've also felt less inclined to share my own opinion since downvotes were brought in. Sometimes you'll write something and get downvoted and be left feeling puzzled by what it was that you'd said that was disagreed with. It doesn't feel like a helpful feature to me.
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I agree. Just because someone doesn't want to write multiple paragraphs (which no one is going to read anyway) about why they feel a certain topic negatively impacts their enjoyment of the game, doesn't mean that the opinion of those people is worthless.
The upvote/downvote function allows a usually silent, but nevertheless important part of the community to express their feelings on different topics.
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I did come back to the forums and seeing the kind of posts that get downvotes vs. those that don't made it clear that I made a terrible mistake
So in that sense they're a great addition because they told me to avoid this cesspit like it's 2018 and I'm a P3 Claudette
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You make a good point. A great example is my original post being downvoted even though I wasn't really taking any sides, I was asking a question. Personally I don't know how I feel about them yet, so I'm not gonna say I advocate for or against them. I was just wondering if they're intended or not.
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I was the Queen of downvotes due to a HillBilly comment, but hey those changes then happend lol
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