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Let’s Stop Pretending The Ghoul Is OP
I have been 3 and 4 man outted more times than I can count. I have played 100+ matches and lost 50-60+ of them. I’ve looked up guides and it doesn’t matter. This killer is waaaaaaay overrated. If this killer was OP and had no counterplay like everyone said I should be winning almost every single match. Nurse and Blight I can win 50 games in a row easily. This killer is NOT S tier. Low A MAYBE.
I can 4k with any killer easily except Houndmaster, Legion and Kaneki now. Getting downs is borderline impossible unless it’s a big map with few pallets. I do far better with Trapper than this killer honestly he’s just not that good.
Every chase is the same. Free injury followed by the survivor dropping the pallet, me breaking it, using my power to catch up and then the survivor pre drops the next pallet. Rinse and repeat till no gens are left and I have 3 hooks max, unless I get bad survivors.
He’s NOT better than Nurse. He’s NOT better than Blight. Hell; hes a better Legion and thats it. Good Gen control, ZERO lethality unless the map is big and few pallets. I do at least 100x better with Huntress who has a bottom 5 kill rate than him.
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Just because you can't get value out of him doesn't mean he isn't strong lol
As an example, I cannot play Nurse. We just don't work well together and I can't get a handle on her.
That hardly means she isn'f the best Killer, just that I can't play her.
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I mean, to me it sounds like you're misplaying; if someone is doing that then you should take advantage of the mobility and drop chase. Hyperfocusing one survivor is a sure way to lose even with Blight or Nurse. What the Ghoul really excels at is creating deadzones, and guess what happens then? You have to cross to new tiles if a chase starts and then you can use the speed to block off. Not even counting when the vaulting is useful.
I don't think they're OP when people start playing with some level of awareness and skill, but that level of performance very much sounds like a problem with your playing. And maybe MMR.
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How I play works on every single killer in the game except Legion, Ken and Houndmaster so idk the right strat. Regardless this killer isn’t even remotely close to overpowered if I can’t easily win.
Survivors are on here saying he takes zero skill and it’s a free win. So where are my free wins? I’d like to have them before he gets nerfed. That would be dope.
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You can’t play Nurse? I feel like you could if you really tried. She’s much easier than Kaneki.
He’s definitely not a free win like survivors are claiming or else I would be winning for free. Getting downs are impossible even when catching up and canceling my power. Literally perfect timing but it doesn’t matter because there are 1,000 pallets and windows chained together.
He’s only oppressively strong on bigger maps with few pallets. Other than that he’s pretty mediocre when it comes to getting downs honestly. There is no improving that I see I can do from watching videos. He’s just not that good at securing downs if survivors have one singular brain cell.
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He does have counterplay, but he's very strong. I think his strength is his mobility, spreading pressure (and chaos), and keeping survs injured and less his lethality in 1v1.
I just started playing as the Ghoul today (to get the adept before a potential nerf, lol) and 4K'd my fist few matches with multiple gens remaining. Yes, that was with slightly lower "new killer" MMR, but I also had no feel for the killer beyond what I gleaned from playing like 100 matches against him.
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Ghoul has counterplay, LoS and tight efficiant looping is his main weakness. He is also incredibly hampered by indoor maps and maps with a lot of clutter to get stuck on while tryin gto launch himself during chase.
Hot take, but honestly I'm glad Kaneki is in the game. Because he's a reminder that not every killer can, or should be countered with just shift+w and chase perks and that people need to relearn how to loop. Instead of just holding W to the next pallet.
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Major issue that he could auto aim at you, and hit behind a wall. Not even that hes too fast, or his slide cancel is op, or even that he could fast vault pallets as survivior.
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I get motion sickness easily. Nurse has always triggered it.
Curious how your experience is so vastly different
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Me, but with Blight. Yet somehow Legion and Kaneki don't trigger it, must be the screen effects form Blight.
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Dude you have to cancel your ability mid air and catch up to the survivior. If you dont do this, thats skill issue. Or if your surviviors know how to loop kaneki, so thats changes everything.
I think thats skill issue.
i played like 70+ games 20 was lose, and 10 was leave because cheater or Touka skin. If there is Touka i cant kill her due to Kaneki's lore. When Touka leaves or give up this makes me sad.-2 -
How many hours do you have? How can we measure your experience?
If you're not successful on the killer, it doesn't mean he is not too strong.
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this is just Nightlights stats and not even the wider picture BHVR has, from experienced players who use these stats to improve at the game.
I think something's wrong lol.8 -
Yeah, it's also week one of the Killer's release and the numbers are already regressing towards the mean.
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skill issue
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Honestly no idea how your not winning with the auto aim, the ability to essentially hit through walls, no cooldown, extreme mobility, jump pallets. The killer is like autopilot lol. It's fairly unanimous the killer is broken with survivors and killers saying it.
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No, it's the children who are wrong.
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Show us your gameplay
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I actually agree (to a point). He does need to be toned down for sure, but the core of a really good killer is there. We've seen fundamentally broken killers before, but I don't believe this is one.
I think with a fairly light touch Kaneki can be made fair but left strong and fun. We've started to see good surv players adjusting to him already, even in his current state. I don't want to see him unnecessarily burned to the ground just because so many (myself included) are really over facing him right now.
I'd prefer there weren't S-Tier killers (well, such variance in killer power generally) but since S-Tier is a thing, I'd rather there be some variety, and not just Nurse and Blight. I like variety, and Kaneki is something different. I hope he is rightly adjusted but isn't nuked.
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Survivors think the Ghoul is too strong, it's the survivors' fault for being bad.
Killers think the Ghoul is too weak, it's the Ghoul's fault for being bad.
Gotta love double standards.
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I literally have no clue. Just lost 11 more matches sense this post. Even with 4 slowdowns. I’m watching Otzdarva and Scott and trying to do what they do. It seems like even they lose almost every gen in every match.
To be quite frank it must be a skill issue on my part but I say he’s B Tier at best now. Getting downs is next to impossible on the vast majority of maps.
I’m definitely going to make a video of all my losses put together. I don’t see how I can play any better than what I do.
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I might hop on and see if my only remaining DBD enjoying friend has bought him and if so, I might play a game.
Entirely dependent on my buddy. (He does have John Ghoul)
Sometimes though, you just don't jive with a Killer.
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Honestly, I'm not denying that Kaneki needs some adjustments, but he doens't need outright nerfs like some in other threads, and even this one are suggesting. As you said, a farily light touch and small adjustments would be perfect. Kaneki, IMHO, is low A to high B category, and a lot of people can't handle it for some reason. And again, as you said, players are already adjusting to his power.
As for facing him, I've played against a total of maybe six ghouls, not even back to back over twenty-five games. It is nothing like when Wesker was released, where he was legitimately everywhere and even continues to be well over a year after his release. No joke, when Wesker released, I went back-to-back against Wesker eight times. Then again, I do wonder if it's a regional server thig, with some killers being more popular. All of that to say, I agree. People aren't fatigued by Kaneki's power, just by how common he is, because he's new and everyone wants to play him, which is a good thing, it's a sign of the chapter's success. Just like with Wesker's release.
I also agree, this game needs more powerful killers, especially so top MMR isn't just the same two-five killers over and over again (Nurse, Blight, Huntress, Spirirt, Wesker) As I said above, Kaneki is a nice reminder to survivors that there is more to the game than to just blindly hold shift+W to go from pallet to pallet, (which arguably was made popular by people who like to chain lookps with chase perks) you actually have to engage your brain from time to time.
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I guess not. I’ll say the one thing for sure. He’s definitely not even close to Nurse or Blight at the very least. If he was overpowered and had no counterplay I would be winning no matter what.
So he definitely does have counterplay. At least far more than Nurse and Blight.
I gave up on him. I put him right above Legion on the tier list. Sad too because I wanted to P100 him.
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Starting to test him out, we will see how it goes. Queues seem bad. Haven't played DBD in 9 months and I even made it more difficult by moving to PC.
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