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What is the community consensus on Ghoul right now?
Is he for sure S tier like Nurse and Blight? Or with the nerfs is he more like a high A killer? I don't have much experience playing against him and I haven't played him at all since I have returned to the game from my break.
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On release he was most definitely S tier right behind Blight. But after a couple rounds of nerfs i’d say he’s dropped to A+ maybe around top 4 or top 5 killers in the game. imo the top 5 killers based off strength in the game rn is Nurse, Blight, Billy, Dracula, then Kaneki. Drac and Kaneki can go back and forth imo on who’s 4th or who’s 5th.
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Dracula is better, but in actual play, Ghoul will end up getting better results most of the time.
Dracula takes effort and skill to play. You need to master 3 different forms, be able to track by sound, and be good at predicting what survivors will do. Both because his skill shots require prediction and because his bat form's noise makes following survivors purely by footsteps and breathing very difficult.
Ghoul is I would say the most lopsided killer in the game in terms of learning curve and effort required to play them versus results. Just about anybody can pick up Ghoul and start getting great results with them.
Ghoul also has the Spirit benefit, which is that he's not really an M1 killer but he benefits from all M1 perks. Dracula doesn't.
To wrap back around to OP's question, Ghoul is probably A-tier but will usually feel like an S-tier, because you basically never encounter a bad Ghoul. If you go up against a bad Nurse, Blight, Hillbilly, Dracula, or Spirit, they won't feel as good as they really are. Ghoul always feels oppressive because he's just so easy to play.
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He's definitely A tier but people got that Skull merchant-esque PTSD with this killer where they think he's still the second coming of Christ, when the nerfs hit VERY hard. He's a free hit like legion but after that his chase power takes a decent amount to actually master and he has plenty of outplay potential. Tbh I'd say his chase power is harder than nurse at the very least.
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I still think the cooldown after the leap during chase is too short, would definitely love some more counterplay. A+ for sure though.
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Still a pariah, out shined by Springtrap right now.
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he hasn't been s tier since launch he's mid A
probably just under vecna
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Mid A tier, but with SSS tier PTSD for surivvors… :/ So there will be calls to execute him like skully
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he’s more manageable on some maps than others. IMO the traversal is the best thing he has going for him.
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I personally can’t stand him as survivor. He’s way too strong for how ez he is to play and capitalize with. Free, fast, first hits all game. M2 cancel? Free hit. Enraged vault? Free hit. All of that paired with the frequency of facing him, makes him very frustrating.
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He's easily the strongest killer in the game when it comes to shutting down survivors on weak areas of the map. he's great at zoning survivors especially when it comes to defending hooks or downed survivors. he's great at pressuring generators due to extreme mobility. he's great during the end game able to easily patrol around the map. he's one of the best killers at keeping the entire team injured. god pallets that give most killers difficulty often don't deter him.
his one weakness is that in areas of the map where you have multiple vaults, and multiple pallets, he will not be very strong and appear to be not much different than most m1 killers. but once some of those pallets have been used suddenly his power spikes.
and his biggest strength is just how easy he is to use. i think this is why he gets more hate than killers that are technically stronger. many ghouls seem inexperienced. they make tons of mistakes. yet they still end up getting decent results because the kit overcompensates so much.
honestly, i'd view him as low S tier or high A tier who tends to over-perform based on the player's skill.
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Ghoul is one of killers I have the most fun playing against. Good job BHVR.
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He's BS is what he is. Especially when wearing that Pay 2 Win skin.
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Bruh…
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He's still overpowered, bt I wouldn't go as far as to say he's S tier. Nurse and Blight are still Queen and King of overpowered bs. Ghoul is definitely top of A tier though, I would say he's better than Billy for the simple fact that he's far easier to play than Billy is.
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You cannot fool me Mr. Ghoul Main 200716
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I play him.. well her since i use the Rize skin and i don't mind playing against him. When ghoul was released i hated him. I absolutely hated him.
After the nerfs he's become ok to go against and i realised my hate came from not understanding how to play against him.
He's a strong killer for sure but he aint no nurse or blight.
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I think he's still a borderline S tier killer. Despise playing against him regardless of how strong he is. I also notice a lot of "Aw darn you caught me!" from my teammates when I go against him. I don't think he can be salvaged with his current design. People just give up or DC when they get him. He's the new Skull Merchant in that regard.
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I havent had a single DC or give up when i play ghoul, and i play ghoul a lot nowdays. Also as a survivor i havent seen a single give up or DC against him/her.
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What pay 2 win skin?
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Kaneki is easily S tier post nerf. It's just that most Kaneki players are bad and so make him look easy to counter. But any truly skilled Kaneki will just put survivors in situations with no counter play like Nurse and Blight. Nurse and Blight may be more oppressive but their mains have had years and thousands of hours to abuse the crap out of their broken mechanics. Kaneki players are still learning to abuse Kaneki's broken mechanics but usually are so horrendously bad mechanically that it makes them feel like a B or A tier killer.
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I'd consider him below Nurse and Blight, so in the top three. Every other killer may be strong, but at least they're enjoyable to face off against. While Blight and Nurse may be stronger, I'd sooner have a match and lose against them than ever play against Ghoul. Ghoul has the most bullshit hits and cheese with canceling their power mid-jump.
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Agreed. He was a mistake on release and still is.
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I'd be happy to give you your first one for free :)
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Sure. I don't mind if people wanna take a DC penalty or 2. Doesn't bother me. I let the other play the game then.
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He's still S tier imo and he's far too good for how easy he is to get results with.
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Survivors are always giving up when i play as him. Which makes me sad and is boring because i love playing him and the character a lot.
The free hits don't really bother me like they bother other people, because he's so visible and easy to loop afterwards and i find that good practise, i like the character and i don't mind playing against him personally, but it appears i am the minority. So i agree something should be done.4 -
Please fix kidnap dear god
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currently he is ultra bugged ao idk what to tell you ATM .
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He still has busted addons (it's just 5 perk slot), best mobility, free hit, force you to mend and he is so easy to play. In new ######### maps like Haddonfield, DND map, Lake Ormond, it's imposible to play against.Stupid cheesy braindead character. Dodge every game as soon as i hear his stupid music
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Seems to me that he's far too easy to play for how strong he is.
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He‘s bugged all the time, which makes him either far stronger or far weaker than he should be.
I like playing as and against him. Only the free hit is bit eh. It is very easy to outplay him at loops, which is fun.
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There isnt term like free hit in this game (some are free if you are found,run into nothing to loop or open,let your self be zoned) or blights hitbox that is in begining of his rush attack is one of biggest and most generous hitbox in the entire game (term called shoulder flick because its that huge he can hit suirvivor almost behind him), sure he gets fast injury on survivor from like 14 meters if you are in open or hallway, enraged vault is strong but not cracked it was op with his bug called kidnap tech but that thing is fixed (more than crouch tech for sure) and if you dont like his fallow up with leap and then him canceling his power to m1 you than yopu need to be more cunning and dont go just straight (like you dont go straight against spirit,nurse,huntress thats not smart to do only if you have time to get some loop and going shortest way to be there asap). I personaly like him more than blight and spirit to face why blight is more busted and can cut you off the same way but down you which ghoul takes more time plus he cant just break palett and catch you with power like blight (bruteforce you very lame but effective strategy) and spirit I hate going against something I cant see, nurse you can see and hear better when she charges her blink yeah she is more busted than spirit and all that matters is how good she is if she fails to blik clouse or not.
Ghoul is a-tier maybe a-tier+, above him are nurse, blight, billy, dracula, and he is somewhere around twins and singularity (only sthing that is different with him he is easier true but that crazy cut offs with his leap on shack arent easy to connetc, you need to be fast and accurate with your power plus survivor if he knows what you trying to do he can doubble back and doge you more easily than blight cantching up in the same way).
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True his power works like 2/3 of time or you dont leap etc. (had this bug when survivor was in open I got him with second leap and it didnt injure him just gave me enraged or I hit him when he was behind wall just like huntress on 200 ms realy buggy patch 9.0.0)
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He was weakest s-tier when he came crazy 5 meter hitbox and small timers on power but now he is +a-tier, him being easy thats what developer wanted.
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That girl one Rize she is more quiet and doesnt screem that much same as were elk (super quiet lullaby and hatchet wind up sound) or springtraps skin glitchtrap (has quiet footsteps which with his stealth and range attack is solid buff with this skin), trappers naughty bear is more quiet (doesnt have that loud breathing), pinheads chatterer (no sounds and no I came when he teleports to cube), there are many skins with advantage for sound or vizuals (being samller etc.) so ghouls isnt only one.
There are skins that are disadvantage like birkin on blight being taller and having more sounds but its blight so stealth isnt his thing.
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I enjoyed ghoul more when he was flat out OP and not using his greasy latch techs
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Ah yes, I see, well seems like daddy HVR loves money right ;)
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I think that 1st hit still needs a bit of work, as because it is so free I feel it shouldn't work through walls or through seperate floors etc. or the kidnap tech. But I do actually like him in chase after he was adjusted. I don't think he is weak by any means, but I don't think he is OP. He's strong, but still manageable. He's definitely one of those killers that will be really difficult for beginners to face and not as difficult for beginners to play, so it's a bit of a shame that the gap is so different and big but, that's alot of DBD and not an exclusive Ghoul issue.
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a killer that survivor mains hopefully will remember (we know they wont) every time they want to complain about how they hate anti looping killers that force them to leave tiles
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His first hits are BS. One just hit through a tree/rock.
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Kaneki's first hit is obviously just a free gift from BHVR. Kaneki's second hit is still broken cause he can make every single pallet a 50/50 in which you have to stun him or he fast vaults and gets a free second hit after an enraged vault which has barely any cooldown plus he slows down the survivor at the same time. Meaning you can't make it around the loop even once.
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Happens but hitboxes are strange thing you need to understand in dbd when you hit diretly survivor with axe or slingers gun and it goes trough him (his model) this is normal because survivors hitbox is near his but when he runs thats the reason some killers like ghoul or huntress can hit you when you are almost behind some object like wall. Theres a reason why you get hit with some killer powers or m1 when you already vaulted your hitbox was behind you and it conected with killers attack, this thing can be wery unfun when we add high ping to it like the famos nigeria huntress (4 meters hatchet hit behind wall), but hight ping doesnt mean it benefits always killer because some killer powers dont work with high ms well like nemesis,bubby,etc.
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I personally never found him that difficult to go against aside from his jump attack having very forgiving hotboxes. Since that attack can't down he's not too terrible to loop. I would put him at A- or B+
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Rize. Unlike Kaneki, who makes a decent amount of noise so you can somewhat have time to react to his insane mobility, Rize is almost completely quiet. A Killer with that level of mobility and power should not be a silent Killer.
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His annoying ass screams just rub salt in the wound.
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Well he isnt quiet but Riz skin is.
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S-/A+ with one of the lowest skill floors in the game.
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I don't think he is even close to being best killer. I consider him A tier, hard to tell where exactly.
But I definetly he is most boring killer to play against, I would take Skully over him every time. He is first killer I actually hate playing against.
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