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so are we gonna ask for nerfs about survivors too in 2 v 8 or what?
seen a lot of posts about nerf legion / nerf oni
yet not a single post about the fact survivors have a on command sprint burst and an instal heals…
skill issue on my part u might say?
true, its my mistake i played a killer (trapper in this case) with no dash, guess who will i play next since i got frustrated with those 2 things bashing my fun in the face 300 times in one game
if yall want oni and legion nerfed or "removed" there better be changes on survivor side too, otherwise u gonna see more wesker / blight or blight / nurse
then start the complaining train about those
i always loved how this community complained about something yet never seen the opposite of the coin, either or that or they actively ignore it and downvote anyone who calls it out
and im not saying "oh don't use them or why are u using them" please do use them, they are there for a reason, but stop crying when u face the same killer that probably had a similar exprience and decided to switch to have fun or have a chance to play
or better yet maybe try the killer yourself, see how "fun" it feels
edit : queue times that's your argument ? its not the fact that player who is always alone is queueing up to play with a another killer no no it must be the fact survivors are lacking…does anyone have any common sense to the fact that YES THE LONELY ROLE WILL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE QUEUEING TO PLAY AS DUO?????
edit edit : you know fact i simply asked for the fact if they nerf 2 killers they should also nerf the drive by heals and on command sprint burst that very much unfair for a lot of killers (SUE ME THEY ARE) to make it fun for all killers, and everyone went oh queue times this, queue times that, but when survivors end a 2 v 8 game in 10 mins, because the killers decided to play something diffrent and not oppresive, its not queue times when u send those killers back to 30 mins queue in 10 mins right? its only queues times when someone asks for survivor nerfs, yall really don't see the fact people play legion and oni because they most likely got annoyed last game, i mean im sure a trapper would love an on command sprint burst and drive by heals, must be really fun for a trapper or ghosty face in a giant map with 4 chain pallets, no its boring i want it nerf, but the annoying stuff i have, let me keep it
dbd community in a nutshell, only one side is allowed to have fun lmao
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Sure, we can talk about nerfing survivors.
How long would you like your killer queue to last and we can brainstorm how to meet that goal. We're starting at about 20 minutes, so are you thinking like 40 or 60+?
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There's a 30 minute wait to be killer.
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As mentioned, killer queues are already insane. What do you think would happen if the surv side got hit with the nerf bat? If you want more than 1 killer game per hour, the survivor side needs to be downright disgusting in 2v8.
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there were even higher last 2 v 8 and it was about the same
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it was literally that last 2 v 8, the only diffrence now there is play while u wait
and the balance was bout the same beside the fact that legion wasn't "nerfed"
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I’ve played 7 or 8 matches as killer so far in 2v8 (always as Wraith, always solo not communicating with partner) and it was 6K or more in all but one match. The insta heals and sprint burst were not game-breaking at all.
There’s just no evidence to argue that the survivor side in 2v8 needs to be made any weaker, not when killer queue times are 20-30 minutes. If you’re not enjoying the killer role, there are plenty of killer players who would love to take your spot in the queue.21 -
well if u want downright disgusting its perfectly fine if u get legion and oni no?
im just saying if u want one side ot be very unbalanced its only fair the other side gets to have a chance by playing strong killers no?
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Your proposed balance changed would make 2v8 literally unplayable. What good is balance if there are NO survivors to play against??
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remind me, which side currently has 20 minute 2v8 queues? yeah let's go ahead and nerf survivors in 2v8, then you'll be complaining about queue times instead lol
survivors should be allowed to have criticisms without y'all treating it like a personal attack on killer players. legion and oni genuinely do have issues in this mode that are making some survivors not want to play it, that creates problems for both sides.
i really don't understand why people in this forum are so hostile to survivors and any criticisms or feedback they have. every survivor complaint is immediately met with "oh yeah well how about we nerf survivors huh how about that???" it's so goofy. you're complaining about what survivors have in this mode while complaining about them complaining about killers...the dbd community is really something.
btw there absolutely have been complaints about survivor classes in this mode and it's silly to act like there hasn't been. the reason there's not as many is because survivors need some kind of incentive to play this mode to keep queues down, good class powers are a way to give them that incentive. most killers got omega buffed in 2v8, why can't survivors have classes that actually do something? especially when they're the players we need more of?
people on the forums are always saying to play killer and maybe you'll understand...maybe it's time to try out some survivor yourself. you might start to understand the complaints if you'd bother to look from the other side's perspective.
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I don’t want one side super unbalanced, I want reasonable queue times! BP and XP don’t make a difference, it has to be gameplay.
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i didn't suggest anything, i just suggested some things need to be nerfed on the survivor side so all killers have a chance…?
i didn't say kill this or kill that?
is any mention of nerf to the survivor side just forbbiden in this site now?
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People disagreeing with you does not equal censorship.
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It truly is funny seeing the flaw with your own logic.. how would the survivor be able to even hand perms aura reading blight weaker and nurse with out all the buffs? Taking them away just put those killers higher on the totem pole for no reason. Your post should really be having behavior to be reworking killers to compete with those. Maybe just give trapper and the light jet packs to zoom from chase to chase.
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Sounds like there's not a whole lot of reason to play survivor then. Which is probably why dreaming of nerfs is counter productive for basically everyone in this case.
Making the side that people have significantly less interest in playing suck more sounds more like a power trip fantasy than a realistic solution to game balance.
I'm really not seeing a problem here. If survivor is so "omgwtf" overpowered, like you seem to imply, you can play survivor like 2 or 3 times while waiting for your killer match.
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i did play a lot of survivor since im farming BP, can't say im as annoyed as everyone, oh legion and oni…cool?
so? its an event and the queue time for survivors is short unlike killer who has to wait for so long
and i can't see their prespective sorry to say, mending is barely annoying since healing is very fast, oni is fun to play against and with the maps being bigger is not a problem, not to mention u can rebuild the pallets?
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u can disagree all you want, saying i said something when i didn't is another thing.
and let's not act like anyone who suggests a buff to a killer in these forums gets hounded by downvotes.
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Tone-deaf comments are likely to be met with derision.
When we have queues of 20-30 minutes for Killer, and the general consensus is that 2v8 Survivor isn't very enjoyable; any talk about nerfing Survivor in that mode is going to be met with some serious disbelief.
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so u are suggesting that bhvr should rework the killers that are struggling instead of nerfing things??
i think?
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I'm really not seeing a problem here. If survivor is so "omgwtf" overpowered, like you seem to imply, you can play survivor like 2 or 3 times while waiting for your killer match.
3 survivor games for a 10 mins killer game, how productive and fun for me. oh also
this says hi randomly and there goes my queue back to 30 mins and another 3 survivor games
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Tone-deaf comments are likely to be met with derision.
sure…..
When we have queues of 20-30 minutes for Killer, and the general consensus is that 2v8 Survivor isn't very enjoyable; any talk about nerfing Survivor in that mode is going to be met with some serious disbelief.
so every arugment so far is "queue time" its not the fact the lone role is queueing up a lot because they get to play with others, not it must be the fact that its unfun for the survivors….
seems legit.
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Considering people are waiting 30 min to play killer, there should be an outcry to heavily buff survivors. The game is very one sided so nerfing survivors is counterintuitive
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So...
I see you edited your OP, and now you're basically making my point for me: why do you want longer queues?
Also, since you've said basically nothing of any substance here, you so realize you're just calling for general "nerfs", right? You haven't said anything whatsoever about what you think is the problem, just nerf anything.
And if you're spending about 3 times as many matches playing survivor waiting for a killer game, your general "just nerf survivor" stance here makes you play more survivor (which sucks more, in some nebulous manner, if you get your way) to play that same one killer match.
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wow congrats on winning your games, its almost as if everyone is on a diffrent server, has diffrent survivors and teammates..makes me wonder also what's with the fact u seem to be telling anyone who complains to "if u are not enjoying killer role stop playing" like bro? people cannot express their opinion or something?
oh u dislike this, stop playing
but when u tell rage quitting survivors the same, its all the sudden not right….got it
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I see you edited your OP, and now you're basically making my point for me: why do you want longer queues?
would rather wait for longer and have more balanced and fun games, than shorter wait time to play 10 mins of a killer game because im not playing someone who is oppresive and go back to queue for another 30
Also, since you've said basically nothing of any substance here, you so realize you're just calling for general "nerfs", right? You haven't said anything whatsoever about what you think is the problem, just nerf anything.
didn't go into details on purpose but i did only mention instant heals and on command sprint burst
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would rather wait for longer and have more balanced and fun games, than shorter wait time to play 10 mins of a killer game because im not playing someone who is oppresive and go back to queue for another 30
Well, people have been screaming for years that playing with friends is the most overpowered thing in the entire game and nothing compares. And now killers, the power role anyway, have KWF. So, by extension, the most overpowered thing this game has ever seen, which everyone wants to play (insanely popular), and people really don't want to play against without some obscene levels of BP incentive.
And, since your edit at least heavily implies that you're playing in a duo, sounds like you're taking advantage of that also.
I'm just gonna leave it here, since you seem to not care one bit about already insane queue times getting far, far worse. 2v8, like most events, isn't about "balance", it's 100% about a couple weeks of something novelty and unusual, typically because it's not completely balanced. (And this goes for either side, depending on which event).
But I'll step away from the conversation I guess and leave you to your downvote simulator project here.
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What's OP about insta-heals and on-demand Sprint Burst in 2v8?
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Indeed. They continue to line up for this oh so punishing experience where certain survivors can run fast for two seconds yet almost every match I've played as either role has been a massacre.
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"heavily implies" a duo is 2 players a team is usually more….??? im not playing with a friend, if i was i wouldn't care i would spam nurse but since im trying to switch around and have fun since i got bored of wesker, i noticed that if im not playing a "oppresive" killer and my ally is not it wil always lead to a loss
But I'll step away from the conversation I guess and leave you to your downvote simulator project here.
downvotes, in these forums, how scary lmao
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Yeah why not? Clearly power creep as plagued the game. New killers get teleports ranged attacks and undetectable base kit. One of them literally auto aims through walls. I think we need to equalize the playing field. Enough nerfs and fix the killers that are struggling! What harm would that do besides adding some welcome diversity to are matches
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im down with this idea, why not
thank you for actually giving a viable answer instead of "QuEue TiMe" spam
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Could you restate this?
I do not understand.
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the reason why the queues are high is not mainly because lack of survivors is because everyone wants to play killer, since killers always play alone, so now that they have a chance to play with someone, everyone floods in, its not mainly from a balance standpoint
and tbh from my survivor exprience unless there is a legion present, most people have fun
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Queue times aside, 2v8 is a mode that Killers are always dying to play because they're able to play duos. If you mean to tell me that Killers will give that up because they're not winning every trial, then I don't know what to tell you. Survivors have to have some busted tools to counter 2 Killers at once.
However, the mode is slowly shifting more toward BHVR's standard practices with 1v4 (in my opinion). So wait long enough and you might get what you want.
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And making the Survivor experience worse affects things positively?
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nerfing 2 aspects are quite frankly bs, is not gonna make it worst
either that or killers that are "support" need buffs
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Yeah, nerfing two aspects of a role already seeing participation problems IS gonna make it worse.
I was unaware that Killers like Legion were in need of buffs. You probably should've led with that.
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Legion counts as a "support" ?
and i was talking about trapper/ Ds/ nemi/ ghosty
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edit : queue times that's your argument ? its not the fact that player who is always alone is queueing up to play with a another killer no no it must be the fact survivors are lacking…does anyone have any common sense to the fact that YES THE LONELY ROLE WILL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE QUEUEING TO PLAY AS DUO?????Absolutely yes, its the queue times.
30 minute queues aren't just another issue in DbD, they are a five alarm fire, all hands on deck, type of scenario that BHVR needs to think of a way to address. The mode cannot exist long term as is. Anything that might drive survivor numbers down should be treated with extreme care.
As for the point about killers wanting to play because it gives them a chance to be a duo instead of alone, yeah, obviously, what's the relevance? That's not going to change.
otherwise u gonna see more wesker / blight or blight / nurseWesker is fine.
Nurse is probably even fine as the larger maps weaken her (though I see her so incredibly rarely its hard to judge).
Blight's probably a bit too strong, but still enjoyable to play against.
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I would say so.
He usually isnt the one directly downing people.
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The guide class literally got gutted this time around what are you talking about??
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I’m not suggesting that anyone stop playing. My point is that there are lots of people lined up to play killer and that is pretty strong evidence that the killer role is not overly weak in 2v8 mode.
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im also in the queue because i also play alone for 90% of the year on dbd, doesn't mean i like seeing bs thrown at my face, yea sorry i don't like 2 v 8 dead hard or drive by heals when im playing ghostface, crazy i know
but u sure as hell don't see me complaining when i face a legion or oni, i love playing against oni, its a bloodrush (no pun intended) legion is fine by me as well, we got a healer class and the maps are huge, people just don't wanna do anything extra, hence why the games with 2 "support" killers end almost instantly
and didn't say weak, i said if u are gonna nerf legion and oni, the 2 annoying aspects of 2 v 8 for survivors its only fair the 2 annoying aspects killers find also get nerfed, but #### me for asking for fairness i guess
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sucks we aren't allowed to discuss balance all because of queue times. meanwhile, a previous 2v8 had a wait time of 5 minutes for a while.
I guess if we make the only playable killer Skull Merchant, we'll be allowed to make suggestions?
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i guess so and the fact people are saying that these 2 killers are the problem like nerfing or removing them will magically make the queue better is just wild
the queue was even worst before they were added, honestly this post just made me realize how delusional people in this community are, any sign of someone saying that an obvious thing or just asking for fair treatment for both sides is a big no no and illegal but the 500th complaint about 2 killers in a temp mode or ghoul are fine
but hey its my fault i tried to asking for a balanced way so i can play diffrent killers instead of spamming the same killer so i can have chance to win, this place keeps getting misrable by the day, i feel so bad for the devs, can't listen here, can't listen anywhere else, because anyone who asks for something reasonable gets hounded, but that person saying that circle of healing was balanced gets praised….the hell has become of this community
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Calling people who have a different view from yours “delusional” is probably not going to help win them over to your side
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so what do u call it then?
the fact everyone is screaming about queue time like nerfing or removing 2 killer is gonna magically make the queue way faster ? lmfao
win them over side…?
win over the community that considers killers less than humans….because they are playing the game ?
no thanks, im here to share my opinion and agree to disagree not win hearts
and tbh i always make posts from both viewpoints, im not saying overbuff or overnerf, i just want fair treatment for both sides, which is illegal i guess
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Let's please keep the conversation civil and constructive. Thank you!
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