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Who's really suffering from pallets?
- I've seen a lot of discussion these days about the recent increase in pallets on maps. I thought, "Who's really suffering from pallets?" I made my own tier list. Each killer deserves an in-depth discussion; for example, Wraith, with the right add-ons, could easily be moved to the "eats pallets" category. Or Skull Merchant, has no power with pallets, but "punishes" the survivor with his drones if he doesn't change loop. Or Deathsliger ignores weak pallets, but suffers from strong pallets. Or Houndmaster punishes those who misuse the pallets, but suffers greatly if the survivor uses them well…in short, reading this tier list requires a bit of mental flexibility. Thoughts about it?
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Bubba kinda suffers from them you see the power to force them doesnt mean game will be easier that with someone who can play around them, his mind games are almost impossible without addon called beast marks so he can obly eat them and is m1 in window dominated areas so now he is worse than before because he has to go through more paletts tham before.
Same for doctor he now is less powerfull because there are more paletts and his shock doesnt help that much because survivor can just drop and go next loop which is now easier than before.
Spirit can suffer but dont forget she is a-tier killer and she is probably the most 50/50 killer in the game so she can play around almost every loop if the killer has idea how her power works and can hear survivors.
Slinger again his chain hit is guarantee injure into deepwound but on many loops if you drop he becomes much weaker because his only way to get down with his power is by pulling survivor and m1 him but paletts can block this so killers like springtrap or huntress are actualy way stronger against predroping survivors than slinger.
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- Believe me, I wanted to specify this specifically for Bubba. "Eats pallets" doesn't necessarily mean he's a strong killer... but his power definitely allows him to take out pallets quickly (compared to other killers).
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The whole line of “If you throw pallet you are dead” isn’t really valid. All of this killers are having no mobility, and genuinely suffer from predropping or combining loops. The only thing you shouldn’t throw it directly to their faces. DeathSlinger and Pyramidhead literally struggle more if pallet was safely predropped, especially first one. Everyone else in the list have to start to play differently. Maybe only Trickster isn’t affected that much. This killer just have general rule - you shouldn’t be in the range of their power, U always should play with LOS. And predroped pallets actually helping with this
Even me, an Executioner main, have felt the changes. If a survivor can combine tiles 50/50, the loop becomes a headache, because everything will either be pre-dropped and turned into a safe pull, or people will greed for the rest of their lives
They aren’t suffering that much compared to M1 weak killers, but they are definitely next in the listBut genuinely, I can’t even agree with half of tier list here… putting Demogorgon and Leatherface in one line with Blight is truly something
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I think this simplifies each killers identity too much, and doesn't adequately describe what killers are affected by the pallet density update more or less than others.
Bubba absolutely suffers with a lot of pallets because he lacks a means of effectively catching up. With a lot of pallets in the area it extends his chase time considerably because Survivors are afforded the ability to chain pallets continuously and keep him eating pallets instead of using his chainsaw for a down. This is different to Hillbilly, because Hillbilly has no cooldown and is fast enough that he can far more often cut Survivors off before they reach more pallets, so the pallets are much less of an issue for Billy.
Similarly Pig doesn't really have a tool to manage pallets and certainly not in the same line as Kaneki or Krasue, because Survivors can just throw pallets and hold W to stop Pig in her tracks and completely deny her from even trying to use her ambush, and thus she is horribly impacted by greater pallet density… while Kaneki an Krasue have the mobility to severely punish a survivor who tries to do this, by stopping them from leaving the pallet and forcing them to play it, while also having tools to be far more potent than Pig at that pallet to boot… and thus are far less affected by pallets than Pig is.
That's just 2 examples, but there are quite a few killers who don't fit in the category they have been placed, because while in theory they might have pallet handling in their power, it actually plays out very differently in practice.
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- I'm also a main Pyramid Head, but honestly, I don't "suffer" pallets that much. It's clear, pallets should always be a "weapon" in the survivor's hand, so they should (more or less) put the killer in a difficult situation. As for Bubba and Demogorgon, it's clear that they don't eat pallets in the same way. As I specified, you need to read this tier list with a bit of mental flexibility. Even in the fourth category, there's a lot of difference between one killer and another, but I tried to simplify what would otherwise be a really complex discussion. Finally, it also depends on experience and personal perception (that's why I specified "my tier list"). For example, I have 5K hours in this game, but the perception might change if I had 10K or 1K.
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- The interaction is fantastic, and whether you agree with my opinion or not is precisely the purpose of this post. But why not try (just for fun and without taking the discussion too seriously) creating your own tier list and sharing it? I'm curious and would also like to know what others think in general. I remind everyone that we are talking about an online game, not about wars in the world🤣
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Billy has a lot of stuff over Bubba, but the main thing is that he can outplay pallets with curving. If a Billy just uses his saw to destroy pallets and to catch up, he will lose.
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I dont understand how Spirit suffers from pallets. The only pallets she needs to break are god pallets.
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Spirit def not suffering from these changes ngl
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Well quite, I was more making a direct comparison of the 2 where Billy still comes out on top, but yes this bolsters the point even more 😅
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My opinion is every S tier killer doesn't really feel the difference, because they directly counterplay shift w and don't care if survivors has multiple direction to choose. And Twins, because they don't care about pallets a lot. Everyone else just generally became weaker, while M1 killers or low tier straight away just dead against decent loopers. Without a joke, my survivors teams was losing against everyone below some B only in case if someone threw an entire match. Most games is about pig having 1-2 hooks
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Skull Merchant was already the worst killer in the game. Might as well twist that knife a bit more by adding a bunch of pallets that can be chained that she can't deal with.
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Skull Merchant is the most affected
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Thats the paradox of dealing with paletts some killers can break them fast but that doesnt mean they can outplay them like others which cant, bubba destroyes paletts fast but has to deal with them more than nemesis who can just break them faster with tier 2 whip or choose to ingnore them, killer like chucky doesnt break them but he has more antiloop power than bubba or demogorgan who another killer that can break paletts but that doesnt mean he can outplay them the same ss chucky (most loops which are rounded counter demos dash so if the loop isnt short or has straight walls demos shread is just little longer straight m1 in that scenario but he can still play more around paletts than bubba).
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If he breaks palett with saw and then catchs up to survivor he wont be that far from survivor if thats the open map compare to bubba who just looses tokens fir saw and distance so I wouldnt say billy looses but he doesnt suffer that much as others and builds up overdrive to help him get down his fast simple mobility from point A to B is what makes him better than bubba plus the speed (before billy rework when bubba was buffed by his charge rework and billy got overheat he was weaker than bubba but now that speed and mobility difference is what makes them so different)
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Since the pallet update I've been playing as Wraith, Spirit, and Dredge and I haven't had any real issues. If anything, a lot of unsafe and stupid predrops are boosting me.
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don’t know how Wesker is that high he feels absolutely horrible to play right now. Often times it takes you multiple minutes to get a single bound. And Pig should be way lower.
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