Low-tier hot take?
You have a killer that is considered low tier, but you feel you play them the likes of B or A tier? Post your thoughts!
If there are any. I'm bored at work and wonder if this is a thing lol.
Trapper can be A tier if your survivor knowledge is pretty high, map knowledge is pretty high, chase game is pretty high, and any other factor you can think of is pretty high.
But!
With all that, you can be great! 3k hours or more should do it lol.
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Not so much about my own gameplay, but it seems to be a hot take to suggest that Pig isn't a low tier anymore.
Five straight years of almost exclusive buffing have put her very comfortably in the B tier now, I would argue. A huge chunk of the things that held her back before just don't anymore, the only real flaw she even has is that she still moves slowly while crouched for some reason.
Granted, Pig's not easy to play, but she really is realistically capable of way better results than she used to be.5 -
I wouldn't argue she's a top tier, just that she isn't bottom of the barrel like she used to be.
She's now quite consistent and able to do work with a little practice and investment.
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i think the consensus are that Hag is low tier, i pretty good with her… with the dbd knowledge and all. i play pretty much straight Hillbilly, honestly for real like i think hag might be my second best with killer following Billy…. and without like try-hard perks and addons or w/e, i like to make matches harder for me or just not use things that give more of an edge in game. Yeah, Hag.
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Onryo low tier but I had a 165 win streak with her, no tunneling.
Knight low tier but currently on a 207 win streak, no tunneling.
They're better than people think if played the correct way. These aren't fun play styles to face necessarily though. If you play the way people want you to play them, they're very bad and you'll lose. They're still both bad though regardless, things like this can just make them "seem" better because the average player isn't very good. We really determine if they're "good" when it's good vs good, not good vs bad.
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Tiers are just a thing some people invented for content.
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fun fact, if ur good enough at the game, and ur 1 trick player, then no matter which killer u master, u will do well in pubs with that killer, u will see a lot of streamers picking low tier killers and struggle then they will blame the killers for being weak which is pretty much false in most cases, they are just bad with those killers, even if they seem simple, killers tier also change due to map differences, ive beat top players even with killers such as legion and i dont even main legion, the thing is with killers like legion where the killer is really weak overall, u want to use bloodfavor like builds and play unpredictably, basically u will need to make different strats, just putting gen defense on legion will be a waste, u wont get much value from it, there are a lot of perks and build, u need to experiment and find the things that works best for u and adapt to the difficulty, clearly those weaker killers require a lot of ingame time to perform well, but for pub matches all killers are viable, u will find people with trapper with over 100 winstreaks in this game, well maybe not find them, but they do exist, xeno recently did all killer streak perkless and no addons, so if u get good with any killer, put some good builds on them, and u should be fine. u dont have to be as good as top comp players, u have to be good enough and with the right builds u should be fine, most survivors arent that good anyway.
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I think the knight, trickster, and legion are very underrated. Legion with iridescent pin is almost OP.
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Demo is just fine once you learn the muscle memory to quickly charge and release his shred lunge at loops. Its also very effective at zoning survivors. Portals are best used on gens for free info and slowdown. I win most of my games with him despite everyone saying he's terrible and needs buffs.
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Freddy waaaaaaay back in the day was considered the worst killer in the game, but I could beat even some really good teams with him. His full potential was difficult to reach but he had unparalleled info and gen pressure if you could keep everyone asleep.
The chase mindgames were fun too, it was similar to how Sadako operates before/shortly after manifesting.
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Tier lists in games don't necessarily represent whether something can win or not. They represent generally "how much work do you have to do to win when played at the optimal level against equal opponents"
So something could be low tier, but that doesn't mean they can't win, it just means they have to put in more "work" and "effort" in order to win.
You can see this with fighting games where sometimes the low tier character is the one winning the tournament.
In DBD, that means you could main a killer and have thousands of hours with them and be really good and probably win most of the games you play. Partially due to matchmaking, but also just partially due to your experience with them. Another thing that tier lists often don't account for is the unknown factor.
Again in fighting games, it is often that the people who specialize in the low tier characters can actually do better than people expect. Part of that is BECAUSE they a low tier, people tend not to play them, so their opponents get less experience playing against them then say, the top tier characters. This means they are less likely to know the counters and what to do in certain situations, paradoxically leading to them having a better chance of winning and evening out the curve.
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I've always been a good Legion, and I've always said people wanting to get better should main them.
for years I see the same boring slowdown builds while I'm just here cheesing downs with Enduring and trapping people with Dissolution. how you play Legion says a lot about your personality, I think. I'm a better Legion than I am a Ghoul and I ain't afraid of who knows
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Appreciate the 'splaining. I am aware how tier lists work and.. and all this. Now, can you add your killer you play thats 'low tier' but you feel is awesome? Is explaining what 'low tier' is something you felt needed to happen? Not doggin on ya, just confused as to why you posted this. I assure you people know what tier lists are, what for, and I'd love to play some SF6 if you're into it :)
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Ghostface is B tier for me.
Onryo and Knight are good if you use their kits and don't try to play them like a standard M1 killer.
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Hag. She's quite literally as strong as Nurse when certain conditions are met. People see a killer that can't chase and COMPLETELY ignore her ridiculously oppressive map control. No, traps are not "waiting for survivors to make mistakes." They let you CONTROL EVERYONE'S PATHING in a 40 meter radius around you. And if they don't respect the trap? Don't know it's there? Hit. Guaranteed, there is no real way to avoid it against a good Hag. You're injured? Down. Hag may not be able to chase but if you actually apply pressure, you can force people into your traps or slow the game to a crawl. Hag is the one killer in the game where a SINGLE MISTAKE, any time, anywhere, regardless of where she is, can get you hit and downed.
She doesn't have to chase. She doesn't have to zip around the map when she ######### controls it. People just don't get how to play Hag and MASSIVELY underrate her as a result. She's at least A tier in my book, and with a good setup and map it's an easy S.
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THANK YOU.
It's so satisfying to see other people that understand this. There comes a point in dbd, at least for killer, when you get too good to realistically lose. That doesn't mean becoming a god or anything, nothing like that. It's not nearly that difficult either. You play a lot and just get better than the majority of the playerbase. Then, due to the lack of matchmaking, you're always thrown into lobbies far below you in skill, with some very rare exceptions.
I think this is why there are more killers than survivors. Being good at killer rewards you FAR more for your time between the bloodpoints and not having to deal with bad matchmaking.
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Hag isnt as strong as nurse and what you mean "but soloq", soloq can get wipeout by any killer if they dont play well and difference is what you invest into hag can be compleatly destroyed by coms or just one tech that just counters her traps compleatly unlike on nurse when you blik right and end up close to the survivor so you can get that hit there isnt much survivors can do against it and you are rewarded but hag isnt much rewarding and mostly works on soloq because they cant tell each other where she is trapping and where her traps are which isnt a case on nurse.
Against good hag there is tech that just compleaty messes her trap and you can use it to doge hit that should be guarantee in most cases but how do you doge good nurse.
Thats why hag is considered one of worst killers by comp survivors because teamwork just beats her most of times and playing safe too (soloq saddly cant do that because they cant communicate unlike swf on coms. Other thing is hag now is slightly better because healing meta (Coh,selfcare etc.) is over because back than survivor just could get hit and run across the map from her "web" (area thats trapped because she cant tp to any trap she needs to be close for that fast tp to get that hit, she gets massive slowdown in speed after teleporting) and reset across the map.
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She's always been my highest kill rate killer. Higher than even Nurse. I think players try to play unique killers in a more standard way, and that leads to the perception that they're weak. Hag is 100% area control, no chase.
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I asked people to state their opinions. I did not ask you or anyone else to come in and start more crap.
Leave people's opinions in this thread alone, please.
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Your argument is based on what, your personal experience? There is a reason there are high tiers and low tiers, and more specifically why trapper is low tier. Here is how your assesment falls apart: Hyptothetical situation: Max skill/knowledge/meta perks survivor lobby versus max skill/knowledge/meta perks trapper ⇒ I promise you the trapper will get demolished in about 90% of matches.
The only reason some low tier killers (including my own main) get respectable killrates is cause of the sad state of public matches. As in someone steps in a trap they dc, you use lethal and get a down in 20secs they dc, hook someone in basement they dc, Survivor makes mistake they dc, my friend died I dc… etc etc
On paper the trapper will always be among the lowest tiers. In practice, due to reasons mentioned above… sure they can get kills/wins… What is the point of this post? You just won a trapper match and feel like a god, or …? Play a 100 more matches, your morale will come down soon enough ;)
That new killer smell is always fun untill MMR kicks in and starts forcing the 60% killrate on you.
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all of them have inflated killrates of 60%. so technically all of them should be b+ tier or above.
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Than heres mine so called moderator.
You have a killer that is considered low tier, but you feel you play them the likes of B or A tier? Post your thoughts!
If there are any. I'm bored at work and wonder if this is a thing lol.I have few like trapper,knight,doctor,ghostface but even if I do good still you can see their flaws are huge and they have more weak spots that can well used to counter them and in some cases abused to destroy them so I dont think any of these low tier killers is a-tier or higher because a-tier means something and a-tier killer is killer that is very powerfull compare to rest, not the most but he sits above half of the killers minimaly (low a-tier) and these killers that are consideret low tier arent on the level to be a-tier and even if they had one moment where they shine its still not enough such as basement trapper (bane for soloq and just hard nut shell for swf).
Look at sadako she can be very deadly but that requires extreme macro knowledge and work for the result a-tier killer such as spirit can achive way faster and easier not to mention like almost all of the low tier killers are very map dependent and addon dependent which isnt good sign of something being way bettern than people say (thats like you trying to explain me why revolver is better than semi automatic pistol and I will say its all depending on the person who holds and shoots that gun, if he has very good aim even that revolver is very good in his hands with 6 rounds and slower fireing speed but that doesnt change the fact that the same person can do better with semi automatic pistol which has more rounds and faster fireing speed and more pluses compare to other option, same like comparing wraith to dracula one is just way better upgrade and in hands on majority of players or even in hands of top players has way better results and achieves them more consistently and often compare to other one)
Trapper can be A tier if your survivor knowledge is pretty high, map knowledge is pretty high, chase game is pretty high, and any other factor you can think of is pretty high.Trapper can be deadly if his traps work but that doesnt change the fact that he is more punishing and his traps doesnt work so reliably as wraiths cloak or huntress axe or knights guards so he is easy from the start and to understand but in the end he becomes even harder than blight due to his limitations and flaws compare to blight.
This all doesnt change fact that you can do well with these low tier killers but it doesnt change the truth they are low tier and weaker compare to others that are in this game as viable options, you will need to do less mistakes (if you do mistakes its way more punished like missing with huntress is more punishing than missing with dracula) and play more perfectly plus you will run more into situations where you cant do much and your options are smaller compare to other killers (like you had your one hand tied behind your back) and other thing is you are more dependent on rng like maps,addons (there is like almost 1k wins with nurse that is addonless streak but Idk where is that 400 wins streak with addonsless and perkless wraith, I dont even think its possible to do this with wraith unless very good player goes on fresh account with no mmr maybe than there is some chance),perks like you can do well with blight or billy just running aura perks but try it with trapper or knight and unless you are better than survivors you play against or they dont do gens you will find out fast that gens are way faster than your chases.
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Thats if you were making tier list on kill rates, than yes 50% is consideret like b-tier but in terms of power not all are same and there is huge gab between c-tier and a-tier or high b-tier.
All matter what is your tier list about in genereal like finding survivors and nurse will sit on bottom whyile doctor will be s-tier, or which you like to face and even skullmerchant can be s-tier al just matters on which subject you tier the killers.
From his post the power term comes more to my mind because he stated "You have a killer that is considered low tier, but you feel you play them the likes of B or A tier? "
fell ing is one thing but in reality they arent the a-tier, i dont denny the fact you cant be sucessfull with low tier killers but the amount of obstackles is way bigger than the killers that are more powerfull and considered tier above have.
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I wasn't gonna be toxic but since you started...
You are not a good killer. Good killers don't get "forced" into a 60% killrate lmfao, stop pretending to be one
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5k hours and 90% on Trapper killer side. I do plenty fine. Keep doing your paper math stuff!
Appreciate your opinion. Keep it up, champ!
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If you even have only 20 hours on trapper and have 90%, you would literally be top 0.001%. Can we see some proof pls? Thanks. x for doubt. X.
5k+ hour player myself, however I understand both sides in and out ;) What I see even as a solo survivor is that half the killer roster loses by default due to the massive imbalances. I rarely see low tiers get more than 2k, unless it was a throw lobby (afk/dc).
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I agree with this, I've seen the take often she isn't a mid tier character, the slowdown her traps give and the synergy with scream builds just makes me think people aren't using what makes her optimal for them to fail so often.
At her best she is definately up there.1 -
Where was I toxic? Show me on the doll ;) Again not being toxic, just an inside joke since I main Chucky :D Maybe you should read my comment inside your own head in a calmer voice, cause nothing I said was with bad intent.
Either way, Im not a 60% killer indeed. My low tier main is on 70%. But I also know the vast majority of the matches I win are due to DC/AFK/THROWS. Any match that is played normally ends up in the latter 30% that I cant win. Killrates are massively inflated due to this little fact. Whatever you believe, low tier killer especially, are very prone to being pushed towards 60% especially if they dont play with tactics (I do).
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I apologize. The 90% was meant to specify I play only Trapper. The other 10% is messing in customs with friends and fam on new killers.
No one, regardless of hours played, understands this broken buggy game inside and out.
Having to validate your own opinion's weight by saying you play both is strange. Read these forums, everyone plays both, everyone is high mmr, and everyone knows better than everyone else.
Anyway, the thread is literally just people talking about their happy low tier killers. Why do you and the others have such a damn problem with this? Trapper sucks, you win! Anything else?0 -
I got an hot take with Hag but it's REALLY REALLY map dependent (and if they have discord it's over)
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I don't know what tier he falls under but I think my best killer is Doctor. Again it comes down to survivors skills but ive gotten a lot of 4ks with him and I find him to be really fun. Apart from him I agree with what others have said, Freddy, Hag pretty much any uncommonly used killer can dominate if the survivors dont know them.
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