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My problem with the decisive strike.

Ihatelife
Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069
edited February 2019 in General Discussions

Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

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  • AntiJelly
    AntiJelly Member Posts: 1,155

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069
    edited February 2019

    @AntiJelly said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

    Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

  • HavelmomDaS1
    HavelmomDaS1 Member Posts: 1,948
    Ihatelife said:

    @AntiJelly said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

    Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

    Doesn't the obsession counter completely the effect of remember me and can open the exit gates at normal speed no matter how many stacks?
  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    @HavelmomDaS1 said:
    Ihatelife said:

    @AntiJelly said:

     @Ihatelife said:

Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.

    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

    Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

    Doesn't the obsession counter completely the effect of remember me and can open the exit gates at normal speed no matter how many stacks?

    Theoretically yes. But this perk itself just encourage killers to tunnel the obsession, because the perk better works when your obsession is dead. So practically obsession doesn't get any benefits from this.

  • starkiller1286
    starkiller1286 Member Posts: 889
    Ihatelife said:

    @HavelmomDaS1 said:
    Ihatelife said:

    @AntiJelly said:

     @Ihatelife said:

Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.

    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

    Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

    Doesn't the obsession counter completely the effect of remember me and can open the exit gates at normal speed no matter how many stacks?

    Theoretically yes. But this perk itself just encourage killers to tunnel the obsession, because the perk better works when your obsession is dead. So practically obsession doesn't get any benefits from this.

    Not quite you'd typically want the ones sion alive as long as possible so you can get 6 hits for the maximum door time. Although it does encourage tunneling if the obsession is stealthy enough they can make it to endgame and make the perk worthless. I had a few games where I couldn't find the obession after the first few hits and they made ithe to near/ endgame before being found again. Dstrike is purely a detriment that doesn't even encourage them to "let you go " like PWYF or remember me does
  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    @starkiller1286 said:
    Ihatelife said:

    @HavelmomDaS1 said:

    Ihatelife said:

    @AntiJelly said:

    @Ihatelife said: Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.

    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?



If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.



Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

    Doesn't the obsession counter completely the effect of remember me and can open the exit gates at normal speed no matter how many stacks?

    Theoretically yes. But this perk itself just encourage killers to tunnel the obsession, because the perk better works when your obsession is dead. So practically obsession doesn't get any benefits from this.

    Not quite you'd typically want the ones sion alive as long as possible so you can get 6 hits for the maximum door time. Although it does encourage tunneling if the obsession is stealthy enough they can make it to endgame and make the perk worthless. I had a few games where I couldn't find the obession after the first few hits and they made ithe to near/ endgame before being found again. Dstrike is purely a detriment that doesn't even encourage them to "let you go " like PWYF or remember me does

    I mean, basically every survivor can make it to the endgame if they are stealthy enough.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    DS should only be available to the obsession, and Rancor should work when the hatch is open.

    The perk wouldn't be as bad then.
  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    They get a benefit if they have a perk for it.

  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069
    edited February 2019

    @The_Crusader said:
    DS should only be available to the obsession, and Rancor should work when the hatch is open.

    The perk wouldn't be as bad then.

    Even if the DS could only work for the obsession, it would still doesn't get any benefit for the killer, not like the Rancor. Rancor at least gives you an obsession a benefit to see a killer every single repaired gen. This is how in my opinion those perks should work. It gives you something okay, but it gives also your enemy something.

  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    @fluffybunny said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    They get a benefit if they have a perk for it.

    That's not how it should work in my opinion.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    Ihatelife said:

    @The_Crusader said:
    DS should only be available to the obsession, and Rancor should work when the hatch is open.

    The perk wouldn't be as bad then.

    Even if the DS could only work for the obsession, it would still doesn't get any benefit for the killer, not like the Rancor. Rancor at least gives you an obsession a benefit to see a killer every single repaired gen. This is how in my opinion those perks should work. It gives you something okay, but it gives also your enemy something.

    They had no idea what they were doing back then. It's ridiculous that they don't even have the broken effect, so you can use an instaheal/use adrenaline
  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,020

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    He means michael's perks benefit from it
    Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    He means michael's perks benefit from it
    Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

    Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    @The_Crusader said:
    Ihatelife said:

    @The_Crusader said:

    DS should only be available to the obsession, and Rancor should work when the hatch is open.

    The perk wouldn't be as bad then.

    Even if the DS could only work for the obsession, it would still doesn't get any benefit for the killer, not like the Rancor. Rancor at least gives you an obsession a benefit to see a killer every single repaired gen. This is how in my opinion those perks should work. It gives you something okay, but it gives also your enemy something.

    They had no idea what they were doing back then. It's ridiculous that they don't even have the broken effect, so you can use an instaheal/use adrenaline

    I agree. It should have at least downside or require to use this perk like deliverance.

  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,020

    @Ihatelife said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    He means michael's perks benefit from it
    Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

    Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

    Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    He means michael's perks benefit from it
    Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

    Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

    Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

    Okay, but I don't understand why the DS and sole survivor doesn't benefit a killer. Even the Laurie's description said: ''Her personal perks grant her a powerful survival abilities at the cost of leaving her exposed.'' But decisive strike doesn't have any expose or downside. You get my point?

  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,020

    @Ihatelife said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    He means michael's perks benefit from it
    Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

    Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

    Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

    Okay, but I don't understand why the DS and sole survivor doesn't benefit a killer. Even the Laurie's description said: ''Her personal perks grant her a powerful survival abilities at the cost of leaving her exposed.'' But decisive strike doesn't have any expose or downside. You get my point?

    Yeah, but ooo does

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    DS is the most unfair and unfun perk in the entire game.....actually make that in any game I've ever played.
  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    He means michael's perks benefit from it
    Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

    Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

    Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

    Okay, but I don't understand why the DS and sole survivor doesn't benefit a killer. Even the Laurie's description said: ''Her personal perks grant her a powerful survival abilities at the cost of leaving her exposed.'' But decisive strike doesn't have any expose or downside. You get my point?

    Yeah, but ooo does

    Yes OoO is actually a fair obsession perk, even with this lockers abuse,

  • Bravo0413
    Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,647
    Okay but what should DS give to the killer? After use should it expose the others for such and such time? Should it hinder the gen progression of the user by a certain amount of percent?  
  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    @Bravo0413 said:
    Okay but what should DS give to the killer? After use should it expose the others for such and such time? Should it hinder the gen progression of the user by a certain amount of percent?  

    Hmmm in my opinion it should give the killer a bloodlust, after the survivor escape by the DS. Because the killers are simply in this situation raged right? So logically their bloodlust would be increased. But this is of course my thoughts about this.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    Bravo0413 said:
    Okay but what should DS give to the killer? After use should it expose the others for such and such time? Should it hinder the gen progression of the user by a certain amount of percent?  
    It shoukd have given then Rancor, instadown and kill once exit gates are powered or when hatch is open.

    But they made Rancor a perk now so....
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Ihatelife said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
    So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

    He means michael's perks benefit from it
    Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

    Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

    Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

    Okay, but I don't understand why the DS and sole survivor doesn't benefit a killer. Even the Laurie's description said: ''Her personal perks grant her a powerful survival abilities at the cost of leaving her exposed.'' But decisive strike doesn't have any expose or downside. You get my point?

    Yeah, but ooo does

    Yes OoO is actually a fair obsession perk, even with this lockers abuse,

    It would be, if it wasnt for SWF