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The current state of dead by daylight

the game is way off and far from being balanced. The killer side always has the advantage mean while survivors do good to get one generator done. Im only saying this because I play both sides and it don’t take much to see the difference between the two

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  • Skeleton23
    Skeleton23 Member Posts: 733

    Well im not sure if you seen Gen Speeds lately but if ur not playing a A to S tier killer ur gonna struggle to Keep up.

    They do need a Whole month or Two of balancing and bug fixes.

  • KytLuna
    KytLuna Member Posts: 80

    This is such a survivor thing to say, and I doubt many people will agree with it, honestly. Survivors always have, and pretty much always will have the advantage, especially going against weaker killers. Even in solo queue, as long as you're not going against like a knight, ghoul, blight, or nurse, you're pretty set for a pretty easy win.

    The reason for this? Survivors need that advantage. Without it, they lost 90% of games. The game becomes incredibly unfair once you take away any advantages the survivors have.

    I play both sides as well, and I can confidently say it only seems that way because the MMR system is absolutely broken and does not work properly, as there is a soft cap on it that eventually makes it impossible for it to actually match you with other players of your skill. You would not be saying this if you were paired often with survivors of your skill level, as I can guarantee your games would not be going by so quickly.

    As an Artist main, who is a low A-tier killer (if we're going off of Otzdarva's killer tier list), I can tell you I win maybe 60 - 80% of my matches. That sounds pretty decent, until you realise that I'm ending these matches on 1 or 2 gens left, and have to play incredibly precisely to get that win, which at this point in the state of the game, I consider a win a 3k no matter what.

    Now, I don't know about you. I don't know what killers you play, what region you're in, how new you are, or what kind of survivors you go against, but it sounds like the survivors you're playing against are just not that good at the game, or may be pretty new.

    This game has always been and pretty much always will be pretty survivor-sided. The only way it stops being survivor-sided is if BHVR makes killers absolutely almost impossible to win against, which, of course, would kill the game.

  • brewingtea
    brewingtea Member Posts: 780

    I can tell you I win maybe 60 - 80% of my matches. I consider a win a 3k no matter what

    This game has always been and pretty much always will be pretty survivor-sided.

    Well, which is it?

  • Firellius
    Firellius Member Posts: 5,559

    As an Artist main, who is a low A-tier killer (if we're going off of Otzdarva's killer tier list), I can tell you I win maybe 60 - 80% of my matches. That sounds pretty decent, until you realise that I'm ending these matches on 1 or 2 gens left, and have to play incredibly precisely to get that win, which at this point in the state of the game, I consider a win a 3k no matter what.

    60%+ winrate is apparently no longer good enough, now the wins need to come, not just with a moderate margin of one gen or a wide margin of two gens, but a colossal gulf of three or more gens.

    If you could maintain a, say, 70% winrate with 3+ gens left, why should survivors ever bother playing this game with you? They'd basically not just lose on queue, they'd get stomped.

  • Classic_Rando
    Classic_Rando Member Posts: 570

    On average killers have 60% kill rate and survivors 40% escape rate. This is what the devs have said they are targeting for balance. I play both sides about equally and this balance feels fine to me, but everyone is going to have a different opinion on this, especially people who only play one side.

    Your comment “survivors do good to get one generator done” is just not based on reality at all. If you really do play both sides, are you literally never escaping in your survivor matches, and on the flip side, are you literally getting 4K in every match as killer? Those things would have to be true for your comment to have any merit.

  • KytLuna
    KytLuna Member Posts: 80

    Bro… It's a game. We all have different criteria for what we would consider a win. As I said, I consider a 3K a win. And I'm happy with my win rate. I may not be winning every match, and that's fine. As for the margin of gens remaining before I reach that win, I don't really think that matters. I got my win. I'm happy. How many gens left at the end of the game doesn't concern me. I can only see a killer main maintaining a 70%+ winrate with a margin of 3 gens left every game on S-tier or high A-tier killers. Your comment is quite frankly a little absurd to me. Survivors already have this mindset anyways. How quickly they DC against any killer they don't like has become concerning, whether that be Ghoul, Knight, Nurse, Blight, or Bubba.

  • Firellius
    Firellius Member Posts: 5,559

    What else is the takeaway from someone trying to so drastically undersell a 60-80% winrate? What planet do you have to come from to be sitting on such a winrate and still claim the game is survivor-sided?

    60% isn't 'pretty decent' in any normal PvP game, it's very, very high. 80% is astronomical and would get you investigated for cheating in any seriously competitive PvP game. The fact that you seem to think that this is too low just indicates that you believe killers should just win by default.

  • KytLuna
    KytLuna Member Posts: 80

    What are you on about? I never said this was too low. I explicitly stated that I think 60% is a decent win rate and that I'm happy with it. I'm not underselling it as I've said TWICE that I'm happy with my win rate. On top of this, DBD is NOT a normal PVP game. It's asymmetrical. COD is a normal PVP game. Marvel Rivals is a normal PVP game. Dead by Daylight isn't it.

    Win rate doesn't equate to one side or the other being the one with the advantageous side. It's the side with the more powerful play styles. That is, without a shadow of a doubt, the survivor side. Like it or not, The play styles available to survivors are far stronger than what's available to most killers.

    I don't think killers should win by default, but I also don't think the disparity between both sides should be so drastic. A four slowdown build on a killer is unfortunately just not strong enough to compete against the current survivor meta in most scenarios.