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Adept
please make it so you get adept if the killer dcs. So tired of playing through a whole game then the killer dcs last gen so I don’t get my achievement
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I am afraid BHVR won´t change this in near future.
Same thing for Killer if you manage to 3k and last Survivor gets lucky hatch you get no adept. Maybe you should have played better in that case or slugged for the 4k but to be honest… adepts only ruining games for the most of the playerbase.
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I mean I don't mind if killers play like that for adepts. You only do it once per character and if your mmr isn't bottom tier you'll really struggle to get a 4k with an adept build usually. I don't come across killers trying to adept all that often. We get plenty of killers who play like that without adepts anyway lol.
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Yeah but why "support" this playstyle for slugging for the 4k at all?
I mean look at this:
You go into a game as a Killer with a perk less, from time to time really bad perks and do a 3k.
After all that the game is like "Let´s see if luck is on your side aswell"
Thats just designed to be frustrating.
I mean why you get addept as Survivor if you get hatch but not for a 3k with hatch escape.
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Because back in the day adepts were just for unlocking killers 3 teachable perks trapper,wraith,billy were only killers in the game and than it was get 4k for achievement than raks were changed so getting 4k while having merciless victory was required on top (basicaly getting 3 classes in points iridescent so double pip game with 4k, problem was some killers like twins or oni dont get points in that classes because of how they are made to be played slugging), this was than changed to get 4 kills which is it now but than hatch is issue because hatch can be effected by offering and killer cant see it now and its totaly rng which I think it should be 3k for adept for some killers that arent blight and have garbage perks this will be still challange.
For survivor at start it was same as for killer but than it changed basicaly to just escape and that was it.
With earning adept as survivor while killer disconnects I dont have problem but you will need to have 5 gens done and reached the endgame that would be great cap because getting achievement just because killer doesnt like map or 3 gens pop would be cheap, reaching endgame and killer dcing will be great point to make it there because you reached almost exit and killer throw your effort so you deserve it (my opinion hate it megheads but I think its great cap), for killer I would change it to 3k because like hatch is so rng and throws middle finger to killers all effort and when its not hatch than some maps like larrys have so safe gates that like 75% of killers cant deffend them and its easy escape for survivor if he doesnt screw it up (do gate infront of killer).
I think lowering adept for killer to 3k is fair hatch cant be controled and if its with offering than killer doesnt know that he cant see that like me claiming that stepping on mine in mine field is thing that you can control but its total bs.
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Yeah I see it like this aswell.
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It is frustrating to lose an adept to hatch, but the whole point of adept is you need to get that overwhelming, total victory. Otherwise it isn't much of an achievement. And hatch isn't all about luck, you can bring a hatch offering, and even without it, the situation is in the killer's favour. They have more freedom of moment and depending on the killer they could have traversal powers that weight it even further or other powers to guard the gates like twins or trapper.
Achievemens are supposed to have a bit of challenge, simply getting a 3k with gens unfinished is such a common scenario that every killer player would get their adept in a game or two. Surv adepts are easier in a way but i definitely get more killers 3+ ks than I do surv escapes.
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Hatch offering is secreat now so like other 3 types of addons from survivors (the spanw ones and maps) so its wild guess that they have it while hatch can spawn anywhere and no one than cheater (wallhacks) or bot cant know where it will spawn its chaotic element always been but now one side cant know for sure if other runs the offering as it was before.
You say challange and i agree but I think its enough challange in this economy to play the killer with just his 3 perks like not all have artist tier perks or power of the sun in their palm (blight,nurse) so killer like trapper,bubba,huntress even wesker or oni are pretty hard with just their 3 base perks, gens will fly and there only 3 perks that can be totaly useless like huntresses ones like many killers have perks of their own that arent good on them and can only be good on different killers or with combinations of other perks like that houndmaster perk that switches scorge hooks without other scorge hook perk (mostly pain res) this perk has no value or undying (maybe we can argue it steals 15 seconds from survivor but that perk alone does almost nothing and its aura reveal range is small 4 meters thats distance running survivor covers in 1 second).
So I dont see problem making adept work on 3 kills, hatch is something you cant influence much and if you do (with offering) it still doesnt mean you will win by 100% sometimes on some maps gates are in position that your killer (majority of killers) cant deffend it like larrys,hawkins or even rpd some variant have gates in position not all killers can patrol and smart survivors will win there so its not just hatch because closing the hatch isnt win the games goes to gates being powered and thats last battle that isnt guarantee to win thats why I think it should be 3 kills for adept.
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You used to when I started playing in 2021. Not sure when they changed it.
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The whole point of an achievement is it is supposed to take work. 3ks are so common that getting a killer adept would take no work. Getting a 4k requires work and a little bit of luck. It doesn't need to be made easier. Sure a hatch offering isn't a guarantee, but it doesn't need to be, it still shifts odds in your favour.
Even with how the adepts currently work it still only takes me 2-4 games at the absolute max to get a killers adept. I think the only exception was blight, his adept took a while because I suck at playling blight, doesn't help I play on console. All of my killers are adepted, and aside from blight they were all pretty easy.
There's no point just giving out achievements for free just because people want to get them straight away.
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I can´t agree here.
Getting a 4k over a 3k is no difference and will most of the time lead to slugging the 3rd Survivor and dragging out the game.
And after your own argument Hatch should not give the Survivor the archivment either because its not a total victory over the Killer by just having luck with hatch
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Then we just agree to disagree. Overall it doesn't feel like too much of an issue, there's not enough players going for adepts at any one time to really cause a matchmaking issue. And let's be honest, there are more people slugging for 4ks just for the sake of winning than doing it for adepts. Aside perhaps from when a new killer comes out, but that's short lived.
And as for surv adepts? I'd have no issue with needing an exit gate escape to get an adept. A killer playing hardball for a 4k is less game ruining than an adepting surv throwing the game to get hatch.
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The 3k is still lot of work on many killers with their just 3 base perks and only reason how to get 4k is to slug or be super lucky but if you dont slug than you throw your chance out of window and expect someone will throw it back to you from outside of window thats it (gens fly without perks).
It can take way more than 2-4 games as you claim all depends on killer you play (how stront and versitile that killer is plus his perks and addons and your skill and experience with that killer etc.), map, perks and addons (especialy on survivor side hurt you more), offerings its just huge mix of things so you can get it in first game of trying or it will take you few tens of game like it took me 5 games to get skullmerchants (I did it before she was gutted from devs that call it balance) and only reson was two people disconected which meant I had 2 easier chases with bots so it was higher chance to win for me, things like this effect it a lot not all killers wahe power of blight or nurse or perks in tier of artist,clown,plague like huntress has one function perk (her hex) and thats it.
I have all adepts on killers I own (all ecept pig I wont spare my money on killer that sucks and doesnt seems to be fun when I own her teacheable perks for many years its just not worth it) but i dont have tendency to spread wise choices because I had all these adepts.
Giving it for 3k isnt free like i said earlier adept is just huge mix of odds and outcomes arent guarantee (unless 3 people dc on 5 gens but that almost never happens) and hatch cant be much influenced and than if you influence it with offering than map is in play because not all maps have gates you can patrol and I think getting kill from endgame collapse wont count it to adept you need to kill them by hooking them or mori them so endgame collapse kills and bleedouts arent counting (thats why twins arent so easy to get either even the killer is slugmaster becuase if someone bleeds out in corner than your adept goes bye bye).
On many killers getting 3 kills with their perks is just hardcore like trapper,buba and many others even stronger killers like even wesker (all depends how skilled you are with that killer but still some killers that are very good if you are skilled with them and running them with best addons are lacking perks like loot at bubba beast marks are must and even with them you need build to fully utilise his power especialy if you slap his another best addon iri flesh).
I would argue that getting 3 kills on like 50% of killes with adept builds can be harder than escaping with survivor running just their own 3 perks because as survivor its mostly team than can carry you but as killer no one carryes you you are there on your own and your choices and skill are what determines your outcome plus some mistakes and missplays from your oponent thats it.
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It is not hard to get a 3k even with adept builds. You'd literally just be trivialising the achievement if a 3k gave an adept. Aside from blight I've literally never had an issue getting an adept even twins didn't take me that long, the mmr is famously bad so even with weaker killers you will still get the odd soloq team thrown at you that you can stomp without too much difficulty.
The adept system really doesn't need any changes, perhaps make it so survs only get adepts on gate escapes to make the surv adepts a bit more of a challenge.
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disconnecting against new survivors using their perks is the last way for some people to exert control over others." I can't win? well, you'll get nothing from me!" it's really sad because you know they likely DCd because they saw the Kwon.
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Depending for who I get consistent survivors that are around my level or have more hours than me so adepts are nightmare, adept builds suck all that matters is how good killer you play and what is his power with best addons plus if his perk are little usefull but against survivors that spread on gens and know how to loop you have hard time especialy with adept build maybe you dont becuase of people you get as oponents but thats not same for others and mmr isnt that super bad as some claim you can get weaker oponents but if you play consistently on some character chances for that are way smaller that if you pick that killer few times per year.
Blight is only killer I got archives challanges (adept ones with with killers 3 perks by killing all 4 survivors, huntress and wraiths base perks before wraiths perks rework so old bad predator etc. and only killer I could pull this crap was blight he is so easy if you know how to rush, blight is the best killer with nurse only s-tier killers in game so adept with blight is easy unless you play him often and go agains super good survivors but than you have blight probably overall deadliest killer in the entire game whose pover covers everything even things nurses doesnt (map wide like mobility and speed, he is best killer who can even destroy speed hackers thats how good he is).
If you put it this way that both adepts should be hard (by making survivors to escape through gates) that I kinda get it but now killers is harder in general and it will be becuase playing almost perkless survivors is easier than killer the hustle you have as killer cant be compared.
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