The Spirit/Krasue
These are two killers i generally find cool, and struggle to play, However Ive noticed people generally just hate these killers and i wonder why? if only if i could learn to be good at them
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People hate Spirit because she actually takes some skill to go against and most people aren't that good.
I don't really see Krasue hate other than the people actually playing Krasue lol
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I think Spirit can force a lot of 50/50’s and it can feel grating to some to constantly be losing them. Plus, the counterplay is not beginner or even intermediate friendly. Maybe some people have such a strong reaction for when prayer beads were still a thing too.
Krause definitely was the best tunneler in the game before the infection removal upon hook mechanic was added. And the projectile’s auto-aim was ridiculous even by my lenient standards upon release too. Then some people hated the vaulting in head form. I think if they just retweaked the head vaulting speed slightly upwards, she’d be perfectly balanced. Rn, I think people that complain loudly about her are just remembering release Krasue too strongly.9 -
They're both very powerful killers right now that require more skill to play against than as imo
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cant play them for my life lmao
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Generally i suck at versing a Spirit to the point where they feel downright bad for me and let me live, considering im still trying my best
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spirits honestly incredibly overrated. her base kit is pretty bad just like Wraith.
she's an accessibility issue for the hearing impaired that's where her issue comes from. before her addon nerfs/reworks she used to be deaf friendly to play as at least thanks to Fathers Glasses (RIP)
Her enjoyment to verse is also kind of map dependent since grass affects her gameplay pretty significantly for both sides
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maybe thats why i suck i have hard hearing in one ear
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gauging distance is pretty important based off the sighs and moans you here it's why Stridor used to be the common "oh hey, this has synergy right?" kinda perk at first glance (stridor at one point overruled Iron Will too) however Spirit mains used to say that perk was a trap specifically because it made survivors sound closer than they really were.
Spirits favourite survivor is definitely Rebecca lol she has like, the longest injury noise in the entire game you can track her with your eyes closed just by whacking her.
im not deaf myself, but Spirit can be tough as it is since survivors will employ prey tactics like retracing footsteps or standing completely still which can throw you off
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Shes a killer i would like to play more, just the fact im horrible at tracking throws me off, can you at least hear noise notifacations?
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pretty sure, yeah. I'd still recommend dabbling with her a bit she's a fun change of pace. If you have a bit of "empathy" you can make her work, she's a very mind gamey killer. you can do some neat things like use your husk to block areas
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Spirit the issue is how inaccessbile playing as and against she is.
Krasue, is just badly designed again as and against (easy to bodyblock when playing as her if against a communicating team and awful to play against when she has dissolution)0 -
Completely disagree. It's a lack of understanding how to counter play her. She's also one of the higher skill requiring killers on the roster.
As far as 50/50 conversation goes, you realize a lot of this game is 50/50's right? Like not killer specific, like most the base game lol
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Spirit is also heavily sound based, which can cause huge accessibility issues for people with impaired hearing.
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Personally I dislike facing spirit because of how she is animated, you cant immediately see if she started moving or changed direction which makes playing her even as m1 killer much easier.
Also her m2 is pretty much just 50/50, although its much better than it used to be.
Krasue no idea for some reason no one plays her
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Location pin pointing is a skill. Also, there a large skill gap in knowing how as survivor to give the Spirit specific sounds to manipulate what she's hearing and misdirect her. I do it all the time. Playing as and against you are improving at this. Of course not when you dc every time though.
Pallets and windows 50/50's which is the vast majority of the entire game. So if someone doesn't like 50/50's that's literally the game.
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Spirit is hated for several reasons. For one, her history (standing still and winning anyway, "look at the shards", Prayer Bracelet, old Mother-Daughter Ring…), secondly she is the only killer that relies almost entirely on audio cues from both sides. And lastly, she is a powerful killer, so it is only natural many hate her.
Krasue is hated because of her original power, and how hard it fell as time went on and changes happened. Strip away the titles of Best Tunneler/Easy S Tier, and you have a generic killer whose only unique aspect is her look and lore.
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People don't like Spirit because you need good audio to counterplay her properly and she's very strong and oppressive when played well.
People don't like Dissolution Krasue but just regular Krasue doesn't get that much hate anymore.
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No it's the fact that she has some of the lowest skill expression of any of the killers in this game. She has an auto aim projectile that needs zero effort to land, which then sets up her head form that they decided for some reason needs to be 4.8 m/s even though it already has a mobility ability built into it that lets her immediately close any distance. On top of it being third person. On top of a larger hitbox on its attack.
The main counterplay to the killer is something that doesn't exist in most games of dbd, that being teamwork. You need people to run around in essentially a pair so that the person not infected can tank the head form hits for the person that's infected. It just doesn't happen.
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That’s a totally valid and reasonable point. First time I’ve heard that reasoning from anyone.
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Spirit is very strong in counter first of all she goes invisiable and all you have is directional sound only giving you some idea which side shes coming from but that sound can be muffled by other sounds like gens or chase music, you must have good hearing and headphones if either of these things you lack well then you are in massive dissadvantage against spirit especialy against good one.
Personaly I dislike her a lot because I hate to go against something I cant see especialy in DBD where sounds are year by year worse I would say, so I rather face other kilers even nurse and blight because I can see what they are up to and from which side it comes which spirit totaly ignores, last thisng more personal is spirit players are usualy the one of most toxic and meanest I ever faced but ignoring this last part the previous things are solid facts.
Krasue is strong in 1v1 but falls under teamwork when survivors bodyblock she is still more manageable than spirit because you see her and usualy weaker loops are more times better against her than stronger/longer ones where her range shines more, running downstairs is godly due to crouch tech and she isnt common.
Krasue after her last nerfs is kinda ok, annoying maybe but ok she is no ghoul tier and deffinitely her projectile is way harder to hit because that aimbot is gone or most of it, before you hit some object and if there was los from that spot which projectile hit to survivor and it was in range then it hit him but that doesnt happen now its more like way easier uknown style of projectile or more how it works.
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Fact is moajority of DBD juges killers like war vets they have ptsd on them due to some time window where they were op or super busted like you mentioned.
Spirit I would say its due to her different counterplay like against any killer you see them and can react but spirit plays totaly differently same way as nurse is annoying because she ignores totaly objects for some people spirit is annoying because her counterplay is based on good hearing and headset, perks and smallest part is lot of experience facing her which many people dont have and they have problems with her.
Just imagine what could spirit do if she saw survivors when using her power just watch some cheater and its insane how deadly she can be, there were few things that made her almost as thateven in history like her stoping when she had colision on survivors while phasing or ring addons in their peak.
Tbh realesed spirit was one of strongest killers in entire game I would argue maybe even stronger than released krasue (little bit) because she had one of most free hits from all killers she cound just stay in place and people didnt know if she was phasing already or just staying there, her twitching (simular to sadako dissapearing for while) was more stronger than today and her having no vault animation was another thing realy strongest basekit mindgame killer in the entire game all it took was staying in place and people would outplay themselfs automaticaly from fear of getting whack by her power.
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Spirit needs audiophile headphones and some training, thats all.
Krasue is unplayable without her iridescent addon, that infects everyone at the start of the match. At least in my experience.
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Iri add-on, dissolution, and slugging are genuinely the only reason I still think she's in A tier.
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I was expecting this thread to be a Krasue hatefest, but there are a lot of people discussing Spirit. I'm surprised.
I think Spirit is fun to go against, but I don't have any hearing issues.
Krasue is just miserable. She can hit you from any distance because her projectile has an AOE (that can hit around corners), she catches up because head form moves so fast, and she hits you immediately because vaults are useless against her. Super fun.
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Tbh krasue is for me one of my deadliest killers like many people use flight to get close as possible to survivor but sometimes its better to end it soner and use her full lunge to get hit like when the survivor goes to pallet instead of flying behind him and taking that fat cooldown and then not getting that hit.
She is good 1v1 and kinda easy to use for me so my relaxing killer to go for because unlike ghoul she isnt buged every patch which ghouls leaps are.
Why spirit, because spirit was here some time and caused havoc for 6 years or so but krasue was just two months issue and then dissapeared into thin fog so more people face spirit than krasue on top krasue is atleast more viable to face for majority because all you need is to see her but spirit you must have good hearing and no sounds disturbing you and very sharp sight to because she phases passively sometimes and this can be deadly on some loops that arent super safe with mind games like doublebacking.
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As many others have stated, I don’t like spirit for accessibility issues. I drummed for a few years so my ears aren’t the best, and her counter is pretty much dependent upon hearing where she’s phasing, which means facing her already puts me at a disadvantage for something that is out of my control.
Krasue is very oppressive in 1v1, and I feel she is way too good at slugging with the way her power works. I haven’t faced very many of them, but when I have it’s been very memorable because trying to heal slugs with the infection keeping you broken is very difficult. I suppose my personal gripe is less with krasue and more so just the way so many play her.
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Krasue being an infection-style killer has always been weird to me.
Infect, Change form, attack, flight-head, attack, repeat.
Her clunkiness and extremely linear playstyle washes down her immensely well-done design. Thankfully she's more manageable to face now but I wish her power was more creative than just 5% more speed, a fat lunge, and a burst of speed every now and then.
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Spirit can be hard to counter if you don't know how/don't have decent headphones. And once you're injured it's near impossible to shake her.
And krasue is just super annoying to play against, it's difficult to avoid her ranged attack with it's homing aoe mini projectiles and when you're infected you just get dashed down constantly, plush the mushroom cure for the infection is next to useless. As it takes so long to clear it.
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since when is spirit easy to play?
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I don't have much trouble with her in public lobbies in my experience. The only time I've had trouble is going against SWFS or people with iron will / light footed stuff.
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