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New Garunteed Escapes End Game Meta Incoming

Dehitay
Dehitay Member Posts: 1,726
edited February 2019 in General Discussions

A lot of people are getting distracted by the massive nerf to Dying Light, but that lesser used perk is going to be quickly overshadowed by the incredibly common event of having a survivor hooked when exit gates are open. Borrowed Time used to let the unhooked escape in exchange for the unhooker, but now they just need to turn around and unhook the previous rescuer and the new Decisive Strike garuntees escapes as long as you can hit the skill check. If survivors run meta perks, there's now nothing killers can do to secure end game kills.

Edit: In case anybody didn't read up on it. The new DS skill check starts upon killer starting the pickup animation, so there's no longer a way to dribble or get to a hook before getting stunned.

Comments

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    You will need to rek them before they manage to do all gens.
    IF they finish 5 gens, then your only chance is slugging, but that got nerfed so hard recently that its pretty much impossible.

    oh and dont forget, you need to hit a skillcheck, so it rewards skill and it only happens once, so its still balanced :sarcastic:

  • TheBean
    TheBean Member Posts: 2,320
    edited February 2019

    I bet you'll see more killers running Rancor and Enduring now.

  • Paddy4583
    Paddy4583 Member Posts: 864
    fcc2014 said:

    Killers have no idea what is coming until they get hit with that DS. The DS "Nerf" is not going to go the way people think.

    Exactly
  • HavelmomDaS1
    HavelmomDaS1 Member Posts: 1,948
    edited February 2019
    BT was doing pretty much the same, it's just now less riskier for the unhooker because they don't need to go into the danger zone. Because if you give a swarming SWF group BT they will get that 4 man escape no matter what. The only exception is rev chainsaw Billy/Bubba or nurse.

    Also, endgame is something the devs are targeting, let's hope the rework will help for that issue 
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  • HavelmomDaS1
    HavelmomDaS1 Member Posts: 1,948
    fcc2014 said:

    Killers have no idea what is coming until they get hit with that DS. The DS "Nerf" is not going to go the way people think.

    Only camping/tunneling killer got hurt by that change. My advice: learn to tunnel/camp less. Endgame is the exception, but devs want to rework endgame anyway 
  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    Yeah anyone hooked gets to crawl out or d-strike then run out.

    They need an entity blocker on the gates for anyone who uses a DS for 30-60 seconds.
  • Eveline
    Eveline Member Posts: 2,340
    Yeah it will be problematic.
  • CronaWins
    CronaWins Member Posts: 650
    edited February 2019

    End game before 5 gens. Not that hard. Also Enduring. They won't get far.

  • DexyIV
    DexyIV Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 515

    Dying Light will need changes for this, yeah. Otherwise the change is good. Killers will just have to adapt and learn strategies to counter it.

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,715
    Can't use DS if they never leave the first hook ;3
  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @HavelmomDaS1 said:
    fcc2014 said:

    Killers have no idea what is coming until they get hit with that DS. The DS "Nerf" is not going to go the way people think.

    Only camping/tunneling killer got hurt by that change. My advice: learn to tunnel/camp less. Endgame is the exception, but devs want to rework endgame anyway 

    You say that but how many threads do you see here about Camping and Tunneling. So many killers do it right or wrong. So many killers will now have to adapt their play style. Wait a week or two when this goes live and you will see a bunch of threads complaining how much worse the new ds is.

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    edited February 2019

    Don't worry, you can always fire up Insidious to beat Borrowed Time, and maybe Enduring can help against Decisive Strike. Just don't be too close to the gates, watch out for body blocks, and you're golden! :P

  • HavelmomDaS1
    HavelmomDaS1 Member Posts: 1,948
    fcc2014 said:

    @HavelmomDaS1 said:
    fcc2014 said:

    Killers have no idea what is coming until they get hit with that DS. The DS "Nerf" is not going to go the way people think.

    Only camping/tunneling killer got hurt by that change. My advice: learn to tunnel/camp less. Endgame is the exception, but devs want to rework endgame anyway 

    You say that but how many threads do you see here about Camping and Tunneling. So many killers do it right or wrong. So many killers will now have to adapt their play style. Wait a week or two when this goes live and you will see a bunch of threads complaining how much worse the new ds is.

    I mean, just because a lot of killers play with a lot of camping and tunneling (which is IMO cheap unless it's really necessary or gor Punishing a toxic survivor) doesn't justify it's a good playstyle and should be viable, you know what I mean?
    Most killer camp and tunnel because they are weak at chasing, they don't want to go into a new chase with a healthy survivor cuz this would waste them to much time.
    I'm not always the guy who say this, but it's more a case of "git gud" to tunneling/camping killers than anything else, because I'm trying to promote skillful playing, and insidious basement camping as Bubba for example isn't skillfull but can reward you kills.
  • Eveline
    Eveline Member Posts: 2,340
    Raccoon said:
    Can't use DS if they never leave the first hook ;3
    Bubba agrees.
  • NuclearBurrito
    NuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,807

    You could also just grab the unhooker.

    Then they BOTH end up on the hook

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    NuclearBurrito said:

    You could also just grab the unhooker.

    Then they BOTH end up on the hook

    What if the unhooker is someone fresh off a hook? You pick them up and you're taking a strike.
  • e8Lattice
    e8Lattice Member Posts: 189

    @Dehitay said:
    there's now nothing killers can do to secure end game kills.

    Yes there is, unbeatable Killer strategy: tape keyboard to face + bash mouse with head = profit

  • Mc_Harty
    Mc_Harty Member Posts: 3,293

    @The_Crusader said:
    What if the unhooker is someone fresh off a hook? You pick them up and you're taking a strike.

    Then use Rancor?
    Down them in one shot and mori them. Odds are they aren't going to know you have it since the Obsession will bounce around each survivor with DS.

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223

    I just don't get why they couldn't make it an obsession only perk.

  • tehshadowman33
    tehshadowman33 Member Posts: 939

    I mean, if everyone runs borrowed time and DS, then you're pretty much dealing with original borrowed time... Functionally.

  • Tzeentchling9
    Tzeentchling9 Member Posts: 1,796
    Mc_Harty said:

    @The_Crusader said:
    What if the unhooker is someone fresh off a hook? You pick them up and you're taking a strike.

    Then use Rancor?
    Down them in one shot and mori them. Odds are they aren't going to know you have it since the Obsession will bounce around each survivor with DS.

    Yes they will know because the game literally screams at them, "EXPOSED!!!! RANCOR!!!"
  • Paddy4583
    Paddy4583 Member Posts: 864
    Eveline said:
    Raccoon said:
    Can't use DS if they never leave the first hook ;3
    Bubba agrees.
    They can’t use DS if you never hit them and just let them escape... which is pretty much the same as camping minus 1 kill ;)
  • Paddy4583
    Paddy4583 Member Posts: 864
    thesuicidefox said:

    I just don't get why they couldn't make it an obsession only perk.

    Like they said it makes it to obvious who has DS
  • Ryuhi
    Ryuhi Member Posts: 3,817

    @thesuicidefox said:
    I just don't get why they couldn't make it an obsession only perk.

    If it had these new changes, and was obsession only, that would actually be pretty great. If the player uses it but is NOT the obsession, just make it so they fill their struggle bar a bit faster or something. Then at worst case it would basically become what new players mistake boil over actually does :chuffed:

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @HavelmomDaS1 said:

    Most killer camp and tunnel because they are weak at chasing, they don't want to go into a new chase with a healthy survivor cuz this would waste them to much time.
    I'm not always the guy who say this, but it's more a case of "git gud" to tunneling/camping killers than anything else, because I'm trying to promote skillful playing, and insidious basement camping as Bubba for example isn't skillfull but can reward you kills.

    Have your "git gud" memes ready to go because those threads are coming.

  • Mc_Harty
    Mc_Harty Member Posts: 3,293

    @Tzeentchling9 said:
    Yes they will know because the game literally screams at them, "EXPOSED!!!! RANCOR!!!"

    I don't even ######### know... Enduring, maybe? I'm just gonna wait for the PTB to see how effective these changes are.

  • Tucking_Friggered
    Tucking_Friggered Member Posts: 636
    edited February 2019

    @HavelmomDaS1 said:
    fcc2014 said:

    Killers have no idea what is coming until they get hit with that DS. The DS "Nerf" is not going to go the way people think.

    Only camping/tunneling killer got hurt by that change. My advice: learn to tunnel/camp less. Endgame is the exception, but devs want to rework endgame anyway 

    Survivors have no idea what is coming until they get hit with first down with no DS available. The DS "Nerf" is not going to go the way people think.

    Now that you can not take the killer on a second expedition through the map you will have that time dedicated to camping you out of the game. Or you can be Mori'd as you lie there snickering that you have DS. NOED will be there waiting for the final 2-3 as the gens pops.

    My advice? Work on your suffering tolerance as it is going to get painful and raw. Have a nice day.

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @Tucking_Friggered said:

    Only camping/tunneling killer got hurt by that change. My advice: learn to tunnel/camp less. Endgame is the exception, but devs want to rework endgame anyway 

    keep waiting on that!

    Survivors have no idea what is coming until they get hit with first down with no DS available. The DS "Nerf" is not going to go the way people think.

    How many moris you got?

    Now that you can not take the killer on a second expedition through the map you will have that time dedicated to camping you out of the game. Or you can be Mori'd as you lie there snickering that you have DS. NOED will be there waiting for the final 2-3 as the gens pops.

    i don't run DS and i rarely worry about NOED

    My advice? Work on your suffering tolerance as it is going to get painful and raw. Have a nice day.

    Haha yeah doubt it.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    To be fair the old DS could be a free escape anyway. If you knocked down the obsession near the exit - free escape. If you knock down a regular survivor near the exit and the hook isn't close by - 35% free escape.

    At least now it relies on them being unhooked within the past minute. It's not perfect as it can still grant free escapes but at least there will be some situations where it won't take effect.