Requesting Community Managers - People who leave for a specific killer

Lyro92

Can we start banning people for purposefully killing themselves on the hook/DCing, or otherwise just being pricks? The DBD devs have claimed there's a system banning people for DCing from games, yet it's obviously not working when it still happens practically if not every game. The system, if it even exists, doesn't work. Now we have people who purposefully kill themselves on the hook leaving the rest of their team with one less person, and one more gen to do without a teammate. There's no joining mid-game for survivors, so this basically ruins the match for survivors and the killers. The DBD devs specifically took a mod off the white-list because it allowed people to mark people they didn't want to play with and would dodge specific killers. At the time it was the nurse who everyone would dodge, and the devs thought it to be a big problem. So shouldn't we be banning people who kill themselves or DC just because they don't like the killer choice? Why has this been allowed for this long, in my opinion it should have been a bannable offense a long time ago. Ruining others games all because you don't want to play is highly unsportsmanlike.

Edit:
I'd like to have some community managers, devs, and other staff representing Dead By Daylight to come discuss this issue.

xChrisx

I kill myself against nurse i dont care about my team, she's broken and boring

Master

Summer will bring dedicated servers which hopefully will enable the devs to finally punish DCing

Chaotic_Riddle

I see you’ve been playing Legion a lot...Lemme tell ya, you get use to it, but I’m sure the devs are still working hard at making sure the banning system is well in affect. You gotta keep in mind that they have to deal with a lot, and it’s not uncommon for people to DC. I would think that the reason this isn’t entirely focused on is due to the fact that it may be hard to tell what is a legitimate DC VERSUS someone’s game crashing. It’s also to go without saying that it’s hard to track who purposely kills themselves on hook, due to the fact that it’s very easy for people’s hands to get tired out from spamming space, and people trying to get off the hook is also something to consider. It’s an iffy topic, but if the issue continues on more and more, it would probably be something for them to focus on in the future, but unfortunately, that time isn’t now with how the game currently is with the stuff I listed above.

HeroLives

I don’t get a ton of matches where people dc, every now and then but not often at all

Lyro92

Sorry to say, but it happens typically when you have a good killer that can get them down fast and efficient. XChrisx, then you're someone that I'm talking to. You choosing to ######### or not isn't just on you, it ruins the whole game and puts the rest of your team at a disadvantage because you decided you wanted to wuss out of a game. You deserve to be banned for doing so. And Chaotic_Riddle, it's really not that hard to detect in most cases, and when you have video proof, or their word specifically, that should give that person a ban. At least a temp ban.

Dwight_Fairfield

If people want to leave a match because they are not enjoying it then that's their choice. As long as they are not just dc'ing, there should be no punishment for it. If they want to die on their first hook then that's legit and their right. They are getting punishment by getting lousy bloodpoints, and depipping (if they are one of those players who cares about their rank).

Lyro92

The point is they aren't just punishing themselves, these are points they were losing anyways and they get off for free. However, they ruin the game for the three other survivors AND the killer all because they want to be a selfish prick instead of finishing a game. It's not legit, and at the point of playing the match they are agreeing to play the game, not just let themselves die. It's idiotic and needs to be banned.

Chaotic_Riddle

Lyro92 said:

Sorry to say, but it happens typically when you have a good killer that can get them down fast and efficient. XChrisx, then you're someone that I'm talking to. You choosing to [BAD WORD] or not isn't just on you, it ruins the whole game and puts the rest of your team at a disadvantage because you decided you wanted to wuss out of a game. You deserve to be banned for doing so. And Chaotic_Riddle, it's really not that hard to detect in most cases, and when you have video proof, or their word specifically, that should give that person a ban. At least a temp ban.

It’s hard to trust someone’s word for a group of people who deal with reports like this and many other’s all the time. And anyone can DC against any killer. If you were to get video proof of the same person DCing against you or maybe friends if you all played the same killer, then maybe it could work in getting them a temporary ban, but the chances of that happening are slim. If the issue progresses, the devs could look into it, but as I said, there’s not much they can do with how the game is currently, but I’m not denying your suggestion or saying ‘bans for DCs shouldn’t happen’, but I’m just simply saying what my thoughts are on it, if that’s alright.

Eveline

They are bad at the game.

xChrisx

I dont care about my team when im against a broken killer like the nurse, nothing u can do against her, pallet? Windows? All useless, so the best choice i can do its to leave the match soon as possible. (I never disconnect) when they balance her i can finally play vs every killer

Lyro92

I mean I have the words of the one who left the match specifically, and they stated just that; They were going to kill themselves if they played against a nurse, there was nothing anyone could do about it, and that they felt no guilt even after acknowledging that they ruin the match for everyone else in it when they choose to leave and throw the game away. This is still a ranked game with multiple people involved, in CS-Go you would agree to play the whole match and then after the FIRST time leaving during the game you would get a temp time ban. This isn't a casual game where people can drop out and re-join at will, it's a set match of players that are locked in, and if one drops, the whole game gets ruined. That to me means if someone is choosing to ruin the experience for the other players, they should be banned. In the rules themselves it says that if you targeted someone specifically to ruin their gaming experience it was a bannable offense, why should this be any different?

Dwight_Fairfield

This is one of the problems with the Dbd community. Some people don't like a certain play style (camping, tunneling, body blocking, SWF etc) and think it should be punishable or removable. That's not how it works. All of those things are perfectly legit, even if they spoil the fun for other players in the game. The point of playing a match is you go into it and play. If you choose to play by dying on your first hook because you are not enjoying the match, then that is legit and your right.

Why should anyone suffer through something they are not enjoying? You're in this for your own enjoyment, nobody else's. End the match as soon as you can and move onto the next. Is it annoying to other players when someone does this? Sure. But it will be a cold day in hell when this community is not annoyed by something they think spoils their fun in this game.

Mat_Sella

people who try to justify dc'ing / dying early because they aren't smart or competent enough with their survivor skills to face certain killers might want to re-evaluate whether they should be playing the game.

Lyro92

You can play stealth, not get caught at the very start of the match, you have multiple chances to live. She's just like every other killer in the game, has her own weaknesses, has been nerfed more times than any other killer in the game. To knowingly ruin the match for everyone else because YOU can't play right against a specific killer isn't fair, don't play the game at all then. This isn't just a case of it being your choice, once you hit that ready button you are choosing to play the match.

Lyro92

Leaving the game is not a playstyle! You are not playing at all, that's the whole point. You can't logically say it's a play style when you are not playing and ruining the match for everyone else in it. You are choosing to waste everyone's time by joining and leaving a match because you're not good enough to play in it. Are you always going to live, no, but you can still try. Not just decide not to play, and if you do want to not play, then don't play at all. Learn to fight the nurse, or just don't play, no one wants you in the game if you are going to leave in the first few moments of the game.

Lyro92

I'd also like to get some Devs, community managers, anyone in here to discuss this issue. It's a strong issue that a lot of people are tired of. As I already mentioned, they specifically took a mod of the white list because it allowed people to do this exact thing, then now just stay quiet when people are still doing it. I want to know why these people who openly admit to ruining the game are allowed to play without punishment. I don't want teammates that will kill themselves and ruin my experience all because they can't play the game. These are people who don't even try and I'm tired of it.

venom12784

Killing yourself is different then dc'ing. Suicide  while not cool for the team should not be punished

Dwight_Fairfield

Of course its a play style. Just like someone who does sod all for the whole match and lets their team mates do all the work and escape because they did all the heavy lifting is a play style. Logically they might as well not be in the game at all as their presence is making no difference, but its still a play style. Just like those who enter a match, and die when they are first hooked. That's a play style.

For a lot of people its not a question of learning to fight Nurse or who ever. Its a matter of they just don't find it any fun. Which is the point of the game. To have fun. If you're not having fun then why bother? If a certain killer drains the fun out of a match for you why would you suffer through it if you really don't want to? Leave and move onto a new and hopefully better match. If you choose to stay and power through it, then that's fine. Your choice, too. But nobody should be punished for not enduring something they hate.

xChrisx

Be stealth is not in my playstile, i want to be chased, and loop the killer, if the devs have in their game a broken killer is not my fault. 
At least i dont disconnect like my team always do vs her

Lyro92

@venom12784 said:
Killing yourself is different then dc'ing. Suicide  while not cool for the team should not be punished

And why is that, how are the two any different? Both cases has someone leaving the game before the game is finished, both of them provide no benefit and instead only hinders the other players, and both ruin the experience and fun for everyone else involved. People keep mentioning the fun of the player leaving, but it really doesn't matter at that point. Some games may suck, but that doesn't give you the right to dump the rest of the team and ######### knowingly ruining the rest of the match.

Orion

@xChrisx said:
Be stealth is not in my playstile, i want to be chased, and loop the killer, if the devs have in their game a broken killer is not my fault. 
At least i dont disconnect like my team always do vs her

Yes, the Nurse is a killer that actually requires you to change your playstyle. Ideally, all killers should require different playstyles to beat, since they also require different playstyles from the person playing them, but unfortunately that is not the case. If you choose not to adapt, that doesn't make the killer broken.

Eveline

xChrisx said:

Be stealth is not in my playstile, i want to be chased, and loop the killer, if the devs have in their game a broken killer is not my fault. 
At least i dont disconnect like my team always do vs her

In other words you don't like to be outplayed.

Hoodied

If its legion I swear I will give them a lesion

ShyN3ko

@xChrisx said:
Be stealth is not in my playstile, i want to be chased, and loop the killer, if the devs have in their game a broken killer is not my fault. 
At least i dont disconnect like my team always do vs her

Then play killer.
Then you will see the counters to nurse.
She is the only killer where 1 thing is true.
The better Player will win the chase.

xChrisx

At this point i think its useless to talking with u guys. (Probably nurse main, i hate u all)

Lyro92

It's not a broken killer, it's a killer that forces you to play differently. Playing differently is a play style, leaving the game isn't playing. By definition it's not a play style when you don't play. If you really think she's broken, talk to the devs about having her changed. I never said the nurse doesn't need work, or that I would mind her being changed, but that's not the point of this topic. No matter how you feel about a killer in the game, it's not up to you to decide to ruin the game for it. You don't have that right, and no amount of word play changes that. If you think the killer is broken, strive to have her changed, but leaving the game is leaving the game, and anyone that does so should be temp banned. You make it sound like you have no options. You can play stealth, just as you said you don't want to. You can gen rush, but you choose not to try. You could actually run from a nurse as long as you want if you had the ability to predict her blinks and juke her, but again you don't. That's on you, not the killer, and not your teammates. And if you choose to leave the game because you, not can't but won't change your play style is wrong and should be banned.

Lyro92

@xChrisx said:
At this point i think its useless to talking with u guys. (Probably nurse main, i hate u all)

Actually I've been rank 1 survivor and killer, I have all killers to 50, and I see survivor as being too easy to play and rank up. You get survivors in high ranks that don't know what they are doing, and are only there not from skill but from time goofing off in games. I see that as being a problem, and people who leave games just like you for having someone they refuse to change in order to beat I don't even want on my team. If you leave the game before the game is actually over, if you #########, if you DC, you should be banned. By hitting ready to agree to play the game out and actually try, not ruin the game.

The_Bogeyman

@Master said:
Summer will bring dedicated servers which hopefully will enable the devs to finally punish DCing

Killing yourself on hook ain't a dc, bud. Devs should ignore this stupid thread.

The_Bogeyman

@venom12784 said:
Killing yourself is different then dc'ing. Suicide  while not cool for the team should not be punished

This guy gets it.

Lyro92

Again as already stated, what's the difference between killing yourself at the start of the match and DCing at the start of the match? You are still ruining the game, and you are still choosing to be unsportsmanlike. I'm not saying the two are the exact same, what I'm saying is that they should both be treated the same and be banned.

Eveline

I played more survivor than killer. And never played nurse actually.

pungent_stench

lmao @ this thread.

Mc_Harty

Now we have people who purposefully kill themselves on the hook leaving the rest of their team with one less person, and one more gen to do without a teammate.

Imagine banning people that give up...

Lyro92

It's not a one vs one game, you "giving up" ruins the game for the rest of the people involved. If you were the last alive, give up all you want to, but if the game depends on you playing, and you chose not to just because you feel like it, then you shouldn't play the game. You chose to play, and you hit that ready button, so you should be playing, not leaving the game.

The_Bogeyman

@Lyro92 said:
Again as already stated, what's the difference between killing yourself at the start of the match and DCing at the start of the match? You are still ruining the game, and you are still choosing to be unsportsmanlike. I'm not saying the two are the exact same, what I'm saying is that they should both be treated the same and be banned.

When ya dc you're just leaving. If you wanna die right away at least killer gets to down ya then hook and sacrifice your ass. Good when you're doing dailies too. I get dailies with certain killers to sacrifice players which I can't do if they dc in my match.

Mc_Harty

@Lyro92 said:
It's not a one vs one game, you "giving up" ruins the game for the rest of the people involved. If you were the last alive, give up all you want to, but if the game depends on you playing, and you chose not to just because you feel like it, then you shouldn't play the game. You chose to play, and you hit that ready button, so you should be playing, not leaving the game.

The game also lets me kill myself on the hook whenever I want to, so deal with it.

Master

@The_Bogeyman said:

@Master said:
Summer will bring dedicated servers which hopefully will enable the devs to finally punish DCing

Killing yourself on hook ain't a dc, bud. Devs should ignore this stupid thread.

I never said that, I am talking about real DCs
suiciding on hook is actually intended gameplay

The_Bogeyman

@Master said:

@The_Bogeyman said:

@Master said:
Summer will bring dedicated servers which hopefully will enable the devs to finally punish DCing

Killing yourself on hook ain't a dc, bud. Devs should ignore this stupid thread.

I never said that, I am talking about real DCs
suiciding on hook is actually intended gameplay

Good good. Real dcs are lame.

altruistic

I haven't played the game in two months, but I still poke around here.

There is nothing wrong with Survivor's letting themselves be sacrificed on hook. It is apart of the base game mechanics. Is it fun for everyone else? Probably not, but that isn't their problem.

venom12784

My question should a survivor be punished if he is the only one left work 2 gens done and instead of looking for the hatch he lets the killer hook him

Lyro92

@venom12784 said:
My question should a survivor be punished if he is the only one left work 2 gens done and instead of looking for the hatch he lets the killer hook him

As I already stated, if you are the last one alive then you choosing to die only impacts you, not the other teammates that you are punishing because you want to leave the game.

ChesterTheMolester

xChrisx said:

Be stealth is not in my playstile, i want to be chased, and loop the killer, if the devs have in their game a broken killer is not my fault. 
At least i dont disconnect like my team always do vs her

Lol, can't loop = Literally unplayable. Adapt and change your playstyle.

Eveline

If he ever played killer just to see how fun loops are...

not_Queen

Letting yourself die on the hook

Killing yourself on the hook, as a survivor, is a big deal to your team.
However, it is part of the game and we are not going to punish for it.

Disconnections

As stated multiple times before, we have a system that takes care of disconnections.
We know it is far from perfect but it is the best we can do with the information and the type of network / hosting the game is allowing (Peer to Peer). Hopefully the arrival of Dedicated Servers will allow us to tighten the rules on Disconnection.

The current system: After a player disconnects more than a certain percentage of their games over a definite period of time, they get a temporary ban. Multiple temporary bans can lead to a permanent ban. If they have not played more than a certain number of games, they will not be punished. The numbers are kept secret to avoid exploiting.

Lyro92

@not_Queen said:

Letting yourself die on the hook

Killing yourself on the hook, as a survivor, is a big deal to your team.
However, it is part of the game and we are not going to punish for it.

Disconnections

As stated multiple times before, we have a system that takes care of disconnections.
We know it is far from perfect but it is the best we can do with the information and the type of network / hosting the game is allowing (Peer to Peer). Hopefully the arrival of Dedicated Servers will allow us to tighten the rules on Disconnection.

The current system: After a player disconnects more than a certain percentage of their games over a definite period of time, they get a temporary ban. Multiple temporary bans can lead to a permanent ban. If they have not played more than a certain number of games, they will not be punished. The numbers are kept secret to avoid exploiting.

And I do hope that the introduction of dedicated servers will fix more issues, and I also understand from a programming side why you've been more forgiving as till now. However, you must realize that the system isn't working if people are still DCing game after game. There is no fear of punishment, so people continue to do it.

As far as killing yourself on the hook, I know what the rules state currently, but I'm asking why is it being allowed. Your team specifically went against dodging and quitting games due to playing against a specific killer in the past during the whole ping addon phase. So if you have a player killing themselves on the hook over and over again causing three man games or worse e of the killer, why are they not being punished? I can understand if you don't have the proof that it's what they are doing, but like in the case that started this she specifically stated that's what she's doing. There's video, and her own words showing that. Is BHVR fine with people causing matches to be ruined time and time again just because people feel like it? If I wanted to go kill myself over and over again every game just because BHVR would be fine with that? What if everyone started doing it and the only ones left were the people trying to actually play the game, don't you think that would start to ruin the game and cause it to go downhill? I understand there are limitation, but when a player hits the ready button they are agreeing to play the game, not to just throw it away.

StrainedSky

@not_Queen said:

Letting yourself die on the hook

Killing yourself on the hook, as a survivor, is a big deal to your team.
However, it is part of the game and we are not going to punish for it.

Disconnections

As stated multiple times before, we have a system that takes care of disconnections.
We know it is far from perfect but it is the best we can do with the information and the type of network / hosting the game is allowing (Peer to Peer). Hopefully the arrival of Dedicated Servers will allow us to tighten the rules on Disconnection.

The current system: After a player disconnects more than a certain percentage of their games over a definite period of time, they get a temporary ban. Multiple temporary bans can lead to a permanent ban. If they have not played more than a certain number of games, they will not be punished. The numbers are kept secret to avoid exploiting.

Unless your a streamer ? Pug disconnects on almost all nurse games but yet he is invited to the studio ?

Lyro92

@StrainedSky said:
Unless your a streamer ? Pug disconnects on almost all nurse games but yet he is invited to the studio ?

I've seen many streamers do the same, as well as other things. Get people banned, DC, break rules... However that's a different topic for a different day. I really do want to see this game stay alive and be clean and fun, when people ruin the game it saddens me. I have many many hours in this game, and wish to have more to come. I'd like it to be like CS-GO's ranked, it tells you by hitting accept you are agreeing to play the game through, anything less leads to a timed temp ban. People can say DBD is casual, but you are tied to a rank, you winning is highly dependent on your teammates, and to have people leave because they want to ruins the whole balance of the 1v4.

Dokta_Carter

Lyro92 said:

You can play stealth, not get caught at the very start of the match, you have multiple chances to live. She's just like every other killer in the game, has her own weaknesses, has been nerfed more times than any other killer in the game. To knowingly ruin the match for everyone else because YOU can't play right against a specific killer isn't fair, don't play the game at all then. This isn't just a case of it being your choice, once you hit that ready button you are choosing to play the match.

That stealth thing works some times. But when im against a nurse it feels like i have a beacon on my head... I mean i play killer mostly but damn nurse freaking goes all "you are already dead" when im survivor

SnakeSound222

@StrainedSky said:

@not_Queen said:

Letting yourself die on the hook

Killing yourself on the hook, as a survivor, is a big deal to your team.
However, it is part of the game and we are not going to punish for it.

Disconnections

As stated multiple times before, we have a system that takes care of disconnections.
We know it is far from perfect but it is the best we can do with the information and the type of network / hosting the game is allowing (Peer to Peer). Hopefully the arrival of Dedicated Servers will allow us to tighten the rules on Disconnection.

The current system: After a player disconnects more than a certain percentage of their games over a definite period of time, they get a temporary ban. Multiple temporary bans can lead to a permanent ban. If they have not played more than a certain number of games, they will not be punished. The numbers are kept secret to avoid exploiting.

Unless your a streamer ? Pug disconnects on almost all nurse games but yet he is invited to the studio ?

If I had to guess, I would say it's because of money. Streamers get money from Twitch and/or YouTube, meaning that they can (and a lot of them do) buy more Auric Cells. They also get more people to buy the game. Banning the streamer would decrease the amount of money BHVR earned. Why else did it take so long to try to fix DS and the pallet vacuum? Why do review bombs seem to scare the devs into changing things so easily?

Lyro92

@Dokta_Carter said:
That stealth thing works some times. But when im against a nurse it feels like i have a beacon on my head... I mean i play killer mostly but damn nurse freaking goes all "you are already dead" when im survivor

It's true that it's not easy, and I agreed that she could use some changes. However, it's not impossible, even when I play nurse I've had good survivors juke me, hide from me, and more. It's a matter of who plays better, it cuts out some second chances and allows a good player to actually play well. Survivors complain like it's over when you face a nurse. You can hide, juke and more to get away and heal. You can still gen rush, use DS, DH is a huge counter since it punishes her hard. You can still pallet and flashlight save, instant heal, all before ever being hooked. Then once you are you still need to be hooked multiple times unless the killer camps which all killers could do, but then you gen rush and get out. She's not different than other killers besides the fact that she punishes looping which she was designed to do. The game has shifted away from stealth and into goofing off, and even the game designers themselves said that you need to play stealth and are supposed to play that way. It's the ones that choose not to that get destroyed by the nurse and rightfully so. Now does that make it right to ruin other peoples games because you've made that choice not to change your playestyle to fight a nurse? That's what this discussion is for.