Next up to be nerfed: Mettle Of Man
Calling it right now :)
Perk is very good for Survivor but it’s annoying as killer.
Its basically DS 2.0
Update: I’m not sure if some of these replies are directed towards me (seems like it) but I literally said that I didn’t care about the perk.
I said it’s a good perk as survivor but it’s annoying as killer, and since there has been a lot of complaints about it coming from Killer mains ever since Ash had his perks leaked, it’s bound to get nerfed soon.
I’m not taking any sides regarding the perk.
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Considering it's licensed paid DLC and half the reason anyone bought Ash, it'll be a long time til they touch it much. Just like DS.
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No doubt about it, The perk is 100% going to be getting a nerf and with good reason.
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Same with Noed
JuSt PlaY NuRSe to counter
Or simple,just face camp
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I honestly don’t understand why people want a NOED nerf so bad. I know it’s frustrating to get hit with it but all you gotta do is just cleanse all the totems and there won’t be NOED.
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Bad survivors want NOED nerf because they want easy escapes.
NOED has counter that requieres literally nothing but your skill to find totems, MoM doesnt.
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@PinkEricka "all you gotta do is just cleanse the totems"
I don't have a problem with NOED but I know other survivors do and saying "just cleanse the totems" isn't really a viable counter in every map. Some maps like swamp and Lery's have a lot of totem spots and it will be near impossible to check every one of them, especially if the killer is good and you can barely get the gens done in the first place.
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@PolarBear You can find it on Swamp. It takes a huge amount of time but it tends to mostly spawn on the outer edges of the map.
Now Lerys, I don’t know what to tell you about that. I guess you would just have to commit and power through them. They should really tweak the totem placements on there to make it more easier to find on that map tbh.
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There are perks that literally tell you where totems are, it's not NOEDs fault that survivor dont want to change their meta build...
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It's almost as if certain killer mains have been told the exact same thing about how to counter survivors. But the excuse is always I shouldn't have to run a perk that counters them.
Pot meet kettle.
Oh and I cleanse totems every game sometimes getting all 5 myself but now that Dulls are WORTHLESS for pipping. It's almost as if gen rush wait for a lit totem then cleanse it for the pip points.
Since the Worthless dull totems change I'm seeing people just ignore dulls and then when the last gens going to pop go to where a dull is and wait to see if it lights up. If it doesn't leave it alone unless you want a small amount of bp.
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@tt_ivi_99 I’d rather not run one perk that’s going to be useless later on just to find totem placements that I’ve already memorized.
and also, you’re kinda being hypocritical there considering NOED is meta too.....
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Bad Killers play NOED.
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@Aven_Fallen Most of them rely too heavily on it especially the non-skilled ones.
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Or that way.
Regarding MoM: I still have not seen so many in my games (except my own MoM, which I use, because I am honestly tired of Killers bringing all their stuff and crying about good Survivor things). Apparently this is normal, like some people told me, because not many players have it teachable yet. The same people face 4 Man SWF Squats with 4 MoM...
Something isnt right.
It is strong, yeah. But I would not compare it to DS at all, DS was the most broken thing that could ever be created.
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Ok, what perk counters MoM? Seriously...
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If you already have the locations memorized then you shouldn't have any trouble finding them and stopping NOED. For survivors who don't, Small Game becomes a powerful perk.
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My point is: you cant compare NOED to MoM because like I already said, NOED has an actual ingame counter that doesnt really need any perk/offering/item.
You can run those perks/items/offerings if you want to have It easy but you dont need them.
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MoM is overrated I don't see many run it, so don't think it needs a nerf
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@Aven_Fallen I think it’s comparable to DS because they get a free immune hit after just being hit by the 3 basic attacks.
its like the downgraded version of DS to me and obviously the most toxic players are going to run it.
Tbh, I don’t really have a problem with it but with all these complaints going on about it, it’s bound to nerfed.
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NOED is not for bad players.
NOED is for begginers, testing builds, gen rush and for Unbalanced Killers (Bubba, Freddy) and for players who is un-skilled with character but want Daily or try.
Thing need nerf: ~~freddy no~~ gens, MoM
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@ClogWench I’m talking about specifically for Lerys Memorial and The Game. The totem could be in ANY room and you already know it’s a maze on that map.
Hardly anyone runs small game but newbies and it’s a perk that’s based on chance if you get a difficult map.
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That's a really foul smelling Red herring you posted there, you might want to comeback later with a better one.
Oh and since you wanted to try and troll you were talking about Noed, I referenced all the times killers have been told to run x perk to counter x survivor perks.
By the way Billy, Bubba, Hag, Nurse, Spirit etc all ignore Mom on ability usage, oh and grabs don't proc it either.
Lastly those Mori's all say hi.
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@tt_ivi_99 Gotcha.
I played killer earlier and went up against a guy who had it, I could see her aura from a certain distance after her perk activated (the downside), is it not enough to just tunnel them? Or maybe they can make some type of limit to the perk or whatever.
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@LordziPL So... basically bad players.......
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A Tip for Lery's, It's pretty easy to get totems on that map once you memorize where they spawn. Totems usually spawn in the corners, along the outside corridors and in the area by the exit gates.
The Game is probably the worst for finding totems but still has some general spots which usually have totems like the ramp by the exit gates, the bathroom, around the yellow platform staircase and some other areas downstairs.
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@powerbats so you think a killer should have to run an ebony mori every game? What an absurd statement.
i see you've already backtracked on your "MoM won't be meta" BS
kind of rediculous to expect killers to rely on GRABS when not only are they already easy to counter they literally bug up half the time
being forced to play certain killers or lose because of 1 perk is not healthy design and you know that, but you are always trying to defend BS if it favours survivors.
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So I have to give up playing killers like Pig, Wraith, Doctor and Freddy just because of a perk? That's bullshit and you know it.
Oh and Nurse, Spirit and Hag are bugged, they will be fixed meaning that they aren't meant to counter the perk.
And you can't bring moris every game, since most killers have a ton of rare offerings and add-ons, and seven ultra rares.
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@Bongbingbing I’ve seen some hex totems spawn in rooms in the middle of the map. That’s where it messes me up at. :/
Theres loads of rooms all over the map and you never know which one contains the totem!
With my luck, dull totems will only spawn at the most memorable places :P
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😂😂😂😂
Dude, you keep losing credibility with everything you say...
I asked you what kind of perk can counter MoM and you just completely evaded that question... 😂
What you just said about the powers... A killer will not always be able to have a hit with his power, take Spirit as an example. Most Spirits I have faced usually hit you with their 110% ms and then use their power once they can hear you. It's stupid that a killer gets punished because of something he is done right, which is hit the survivor.
Again, Moris are NEEDED to counter MoM, you dont need anything to counter NOED, you just use tools to counter It but you DONT NEED them.
I am the one trolling? Why? Because I can counter all your arguments every time you post in these forums? People who used to belive the things you used to post were reasonable have literally told you that you've lost credibility... And Im the one trolling? When you are the one who keeps posting nonsense? Right...
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You know you have to @me so that I get a notification but you dont do it because you dont want me to answer you... And Im the troll? When you are the one talking behind my back because you know I wont get notifided? Right...
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i expect him to abandon this thread like he usually does when he gets called out
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We should all just calm down. I don’t think it’s that serious.
Eventually, the devs are going to tamper with the perk anyways to what they see fit regardless of if the perk is not worth caring about or not.
stop the hate please. ❤️
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Why would you even stop chasing them when they get hit and pop MoM? So that they can heal and teabag you from across the map? Is that the downside to It? I want something like that for killers as well...
You remember how the machine gun combo perk for killers was nerfed? How much did that last? A week or something like that? And DS lasted for 2 years, just like MoM will last for 2 years... And people say the game is killer sided... Right.
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calling someone out on their BS is not hate
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They need just to change it so bad players can't benefit from it. Just to explain what I mean - just imagine someone chasing just one survivor for the entire match which means all the gens will be done in 2-3-4 minutes and after that Noed will be up. I just won't have the time to clear all the totems on swamp lets say and Ill just leave in th end cause I don't want to deal with a bad player who will probably camp just so he can get more kills while he is still bad but he has the insta noed yupee . Noed should be connected to the ammount of hooks you had or hits on different surviviors to activate
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@yeet yeah but there was just multiple people ganging up on him and I can’t help but feel bad about it. it was kind of harsh.
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@tt_ivi_99 Are you pissed in real life? Because that’s what it sounds like. It’s just a game. You’re not going to die irl if they decide not to nerf the perk soon.
If you feel as if this perk is going to ruin your gameplay experience, just uninstall.
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play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Hag, Nurse and Spirit ignore it due to a bug. Devs already confirmed they're gonna fix it.
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On top of half of those killers only ignoring it because of a soon-to-be-patched bug, grabs really only work for Spirit with Prayer Beads. It has no solid counter besides 2-3 select killers.
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Hag, Nurse and Spirit ignore it due to a bug. Devs already confirmed they're gonna fix it.
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On top of half of those killers only ignoring it because of a soon-to-be-patched bug, grabs really only work for Spirit with Prayer Beads. It has no solid counter besides 2-3 select killers.
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@tt_ivi_99 like a book
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I see you're still trolling and failing like always yet still making a fool out of yourself and it's amazing that if it's so meta why isn't every survivor running it? Oh that's right it's not emta because most survivors know it's not that great.
Also where did I say you have to run an ebony mori again, oh that's right I didn't just you trying and failing to troll again. Now lets see what was it I said again oh yes, The killers I mentioned ignore it.
Wow would you imagine that killers beat the perk by using nothing other than their unique abilities and no perks are needed. It's almost as if you just made a fool of yourself yet again
Who said you had to play a certain killer everytime, I listed quite a few that ignored it and isn't always you saying you have to play nurse. Yep that'd be you and the other whiny killers mains yet other killer mains manage just fine.
The only one losing credibility here is you just like Yeet, you both try and fail to troll and make yourselves look more and more foolish each time.
You didn't start by asking which perk, you trolled with the Noed comment and got obliterated for it, then you tried the tried and failed Red Herring.
I gave a list of killers with NO PERKS needed that countered MOM yet you like the other troll ignored it because it made you look foolish. You can use killer abilities you know those unique abilities each killer has to completely bypass MOM.
Also you haven't countered anything yet, all you've done is try and troll your way out of a losing argument because you can't refute what I've said. Mori's aren't needed to counter mom anymore than they're needed to counter DS or Deliverance.
Oh do grow up here, I've @ you plenty of times before and you always try and change your story or move the goalposts after you get destroyed. Oh so I'm talking behind your back now when I tag you with a response.
Well congrats on proving once and for all how much of a troll you are, everyone here can see it now plain as day. Did you really think that 4Chan insult would actually work on me let alone here.
I don't talk behind anyone's back since unlike you and the other troll I don't need to nor do I need to make smurf accounts.
No you hope I won't keep destroying you like I always do, that last thread i left because I exposed you for a complete and total troll. You kept making statements then when confronted with actual facts changed your story repeatedly.
But like always you just keep making yourself look foolish, but go ahead and keep on deluding yourself. When you're ready to leave that fantasy world the both of you the rest of us will be here waiting.
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"where did i say you had to run an ebony mori again"
your earlier comment:
"Lastly those Mori's all say hi."
it would be best if you were to stop commenting now
you also claim nobody is running it, yet i have been seeing 2 MINIMUM every game
it is clear for all to see that no matter how much you try to call others trolls, the only one under the bridge here is YOU
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Can we please keep the discussion to the topic in hand and stop making this personal @powerbats @yeet
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Did I say you had to run Ebony's no I didn't I said and you even quoted me "mori's say hi."
Oh and where did I say no one was running it again, I didn't and you know it so just stop. I see it every now and again but it's not 4 people and rarely do 2 run it at red ranks. It's like the so called depip swat teams that exist in every match you play.
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I found a counter for it yesterday :3
Legion.
Stab with feral frenzy and then normal hit, do this two more times and the survivor won't even use the perk, unless they get saved once on your shoulder. :3
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@powerbats no matter the mori, having to rely on rare offerings every game to counter a perk is not good design, nor is being pidgeonholed into playing the group of killers that counter it (a group which will shrink significantly when the associated bugs are fixed)
the usage of the perk will also only become more common as survivors realize the strength, as well as its synergy with already currently meta tactics, and acquire the teachable.
if you are playing wraith, there is no consistent counterplay
if you are playing freddy, there is no consistent counterplay
if you are playing doc, there is no consistent counterplay
i could go on, but when you get down to it the perk is poorly designed, and only exists to exacerbate the weaknesses of already weak killers who struggle to down survivors efficiently enough as is.
mettle of man is not good for the game.
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The only thing I would implement is something for the M1 killers..... like if Doc gets a hit right after shocking someone or Spirit lands a grudge hit ----> those types of hits should not effect MoM
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Yeah i mean it’s not like they nerfed the **** out of Freddy right after release.
Tbh I doubt they change it. They seem to be focusing on improving the fun factor for survivors and SWF over killers because that’s where their money is.
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