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"We have been made aware of two new exploits that could potentially be abused to ruin the enjoyment of others."
I know voice via 3th party programs is white listed. Because the devs are unable to detect those programs and what content is shared via voice.
A feature never intended by the devs, against the spirit of the game and relies on 3th party programs. (Yes you can potentially be in the same room shouting)
How many players of DBD, survivors and killers alike, got their enjoyment of the game ruined by the abuse of voice?
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How is this abuse?
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It's very similar to Ghosting in shooters.
I don't know why people look at it as such a normality. You're effectively telling the whole team what you see, what you do, what's happening, where it's happening and any relevant information about the Killer, their perks, their abilities ect. I'm seriously bored when I play in SWF, there is no tension at all, no atmosphere left. EW1 Myers? He gets one hit and that's it, everyone knows what's going on. Insidious hiding somewhere? We will never fall for it although getting caught off guard by an Insidious camper is very scary. The element of surprise is gone when you play with voice communication, the game feels like a scripted plot you're going through.
No surprise that the only enjoyment SWFs can get is from bullying Killers, as they made all other aspects of the game boring.
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the game is f-ing intended to not let survivors communicate.
Survive with friends -> discord -> breaks the idea of the game -> community rages -> developers do the carlton dance
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Damn , some people talk some stupid ######### when they are salty lol
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We have perks that almost do the same as that, Alert shows you what the killer is OoO does the same, pretty much SWF does not affect anything but how salty one can get
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@Peanits just curious, what's your stand on voice comms ? I personally feel as if it doesn't matter because I can see something better than someone can tell me so I run empathy even in a group but I was wondering what your thoughts were on this being considered "cheating" by some
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Yes, we have PERKS for that. That's exactly the point. Are you going to use those perks instead or will you continue using voice communication to get those perks for free while you can still use 4 other perks?
Why is it so hard to understand? People that claim (and truly believe) that Voice Communication doesn't provide an unintended, unfair advantage are just dumb. Like, seriously stupid. Actually they're like F-tier when it comes to intelligence.
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Oh good fing grief, get over yourself it's not cheating no matter how many times you repeat it or twist the words around. The devs have flat out said it's not cheating and they won't ban for it.
All the posters saying it is should just go play something else since IT'S NEVER CHANGING. Now since we know most swf are just there to have fun, sandbag each other and relax.
That means that if you have trouble with swf lobbies the problem is simple, you need to get better at playing the game.
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Still anyone thinking that SWF with Comms never was intended? You cannot expect to play a Multiplayer Online Game without SWF and Comms... Really.
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I have no problem with SWFs, I have a problem with people that refuse to admit that it gives unintended, unfair advantages. At least be honest enough to aknowledge the imbalance it creates, that's all I'm asking for.
...and in the meantime I just facecamp them. And if people have a problem with campers they just need to git gud, simple.
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let's be honest here the game's success is thanks to the option to play with friends over voice coms. there would only by 1/3th of the player base now if this wasn't an option
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It's not an exploit.
Do you really think any developer who allows the option for friends to play together do not think they will use voice?
The issue isn't that its abuse, cheating or exploiting it's that the devs didn't realise how much it could break their vision.
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I've never denied it gives an advantage but for those that keep trying to whine it away by saying it's an exploit or cheating they need to grow up. If you have to facecamp them then that says more about you then them.
I mean it seems this isn't the game for you if you can't accept the fact that most of the playerbase is swf and most are just trying to enjoy themselves. By all means remove swf and then enjoy your 2+ hour lobby wait times as killer.
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@powerbats we luv u
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I rather not grow up if that makes me delusional. Ghosting and Stream Sniping are also forms of cheating, they're technically exactly the same as using voice communications in a game where you're not supposed to have voice communication. You're ruining your own fun if you do that.
Cheating has many faces. Scripts and macros, aimbots, wallhacks, maphacks, farmbots, lagswitches, tools to get access to informations you're not supposed to get. Even MLGA can be considered cheating because it allows you to find out who the Killer is (or what type of Killer it is) before you even enter the match. That's cheating, simple.
Now I understand that people using voice communication can't be stopped from doing so, neither can they be punished for doing so. That doesn't change the fact that it's some sort of cheating. Did you ever play Blindman's Buff as a kid? Ever played it while having someone by your side that keeps telling you where to go? Or left a slight opening so you could see a little bit? That's cheating. You got access to informations you're not supposed to have.
Now this game first game out without Survive With Friend, let's not forget that. Mathieu Cote also clearly stated that they will not implement ingame voice communication because it would completly break the game. That's literally what he said.
Maybe this game isn't for me anymore but guess what? I adapted. The result is Bubba the Security Guard. And surprise, I can have fun again. I don't care if I'm unfair to my opponents, I had to deal with unfair playstyles for 2.5 years and no one gave a ######### about it :-)
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Almost everyone plays with comms honestly I would prefer proxy voice chat for killer and survivor although I know that wouldn't happen.
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if DBD makes a very intrusive engine to detect outter 3rd software to ban you, people will find other methods like whatsapp call
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SWFs be like...
OP be like...
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@powerbats "Survivors are allowed to play dirty but not killers" Yeah okay lol.
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They don't need to ban people for using voice communication, don't get me wrong good people from the forums. People should be able to play with their friends and communicate with them.
...but for ######### sake they should finally aknowledge that voice communication ruins the balance of the game. It's a matter of fact that the majority of the Survivors playerbase uses voice communication - and we all know that voice communication gives unfair advantages to why the ######### are they not balancing the game around such? Implement ingame voice communication, at that point I don't even care as long as they balance around it.
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SWF: *exists*
Killer Main's mind: I bet these guys are the pro SWF SWAT team ready to bully me to pieces, they will say everything I do and make sure I have no fun whatsoever, I bet they all brought MoM, BT, DS and every other crutch perk available. This is an exploit. Dodge.
Reality (like 85% of the time):
Guy 1: Hey dude, it's Billy but I think you already know that because of that super loud chainsaw noise.
Guy 2: Yup.
Guy 1: Ok. Cool.
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It doesn't matter.
You will lose to a good SWF's regardless if they have comms or not.
You will beat trash SWF's regardless if they have comms or not.
Voice comms with barely give players an advantage because most, if not all players are not blind and rotate their camera.
The only real advantage would be a player dying earlier and can tell you what perks they are running, which was fixed.
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Is this the part where you tell me that all SWF groups are like this?
Btw, thanks for proving my point.
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Omegablink ebony mori nurse is fine.
There is a chance that the nurse might suck at the game.
Also, he might forget that he has ebony mori. Make these 2 things for the nurse baseline.
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I didn't tell you anything, I showed you a meme. What you interpret is totally up to you. I don't take players seriously that never played Killer in red ranks, they have no idea how well-coordinated SWFs play there. It's not about toxicity, everyone can yield a flashlight and click around, it's about the efficiency they push through the match.
3 people on gens, one keeps the Killer busy. 1 player gets hooked, 1 goes for unhook, 2 players on gens. 1 player finds the hex totem, everyone knows where it is. Telling me that SWF doesn't give unfair advantages puts you on the same level as a flat-earth believer. It has nothing to do with how competent the Survivors are. Fact is that they can be bad and perform better than they should because of voice communication.
It's a bit like saying "a good 2 blink Nurse will win anyway, doesn't matter if you give her 5 blinks so there's no reason to nerf 5 blink Nurse". Yea but what about the bad Nurses that need 5 blinks to win? They shouldn't win because obviously they suck but oh well...
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Serious? Another "How dare they use voicecoms in an online multiplayer game?"-Thread? Start living in reality.
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@PiiFree the fact that you think someone needs to be red ranks for you to take them seriously is ironic because it makes me take u as a joke, since you don't understand rank means very little in this game. other dumb remarks such as "mlga can be considered cheating" doesn't help either. it's honestly comical that you think this way
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I say that because it takes a considerable amount of time to reach red ranks, which automatically will put you against strong SWFs sooner or later. In red ranks there are also no noob survivors, naturally they will never make it to that rank. Your argument would've been valid if we were still with the same easy ranking system but that's not the case anymore. It's still meaningless but at least it requires a lot more time now.
Also, the fact that you failed to bring up any argument at all and simply, blatantly stated that my opinion is comical puts you in F-Tier.
Please come again, but next time bring some arguments with you.
(As someone that has spend a lot of time in this game I expect my fellow debaters to have a similar experience in this game. You wouldn't go and discuss sex practises with a virgin either, or would you? You get the point.)
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why would i argue with u? your points were all really bad and made no sense. you can't argue with stupid. and yes, they are plenty of bad survivors and bad killers is red ranks lol, have u played red ranks enough if u dont even know that? at least u admitted ranks are meaningless so quickly lol, ur contradicting urself. a basic understanding of the game is all u need to hit rank 1, and that's not hard to acquire
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You're absolute F-Tier human being, you still failed to provide any arguments and once again you failed to understand the meaning of what you read.
Add me on steam, let's play some matches for science:
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ok then tell me, what was the meaning if I don't understand
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But SWF has always been intended?
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y r u afraid to say it again? do u understand what you're saying? "red ranks takes time but it means nothing". is that not a contradicting sentence?
not to mention in your first reply to me you say "your argument is invalid..." and then that same post u say "u failed to bring up any argument..." you're a joke lmfao
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Where did I say your argument is invalid? I always said it's non-existent.
It's a meaningless ranking system as in, it doesn't put the best players in the best rank and the worst players in the worst rank.
It puts players that know how to play in the highest rank and that's it. It's meaningless as a ranking system because there is no real skill distribution, it only seperates the noobs from the experienced players but rank 1 can range from mediocre to high skill.
No noob will make it to rank 1 that's why it's still "something". It requires experience and knowledge to get there. If you never reached rank 1, you obviously lack those two things.
Was that clear enough even for an F-Tier?
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I don't get it how you all see SWF as some kind of hit squad running a military operation to get out.
Gives you an extra advantage to people who ain't talking 100% but normally it's just messing around with friends.
You can bet that if they removed it half the playerbase would leave and that would not be good.
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Technically it is cheating. Thats just like exploiting the collision sizes during looping is by definition of the words i just used an exploit.
The problem is that the devs cant/wont do anything against it.
Swf was intended. That myth has been debunked i think. But CWF not (Communicate, not cheating you donkeys 😛). Yet its a thing we cant stop.
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Wooooohoo I got some support! Nice 😘
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Watch from 9.25 onwards McLean states swf and kyf was always intended and debunks the it wasn't myth.
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@twistedmonkey Thanks for that, next time I will know better.
That doesn't change the fact that it didn't exist when Dead By Daylight fully released, which is precisely what I said ;-)
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I know it might be difficult but try reading what I just said in the post before this one to understand where u said my argument was invalid.
also being red ranks is justification for having knowledge and experience, but it's not the only thing showing that, it'd be better for u to say "I can't take u seriously if u don't have a good amount of experience and knowledge from in and out of game"
I'm worried for u if u cant remember what u said within an hour of communicating, but gl out there pie
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You are welcome :).
Yeah it wasn't there to start with but always intended.
I just wish they understood more about how it would impact the game at the time of those discussions and took steps to try and make it more balanced.
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My issue with SWFs is not, that they cannot be dealt with.
My issue is, with their voice they outright disable certain perks and playstyles and their choice to use/abuse voice for ingame benefits forces me to play a certain way against them, not talking about all the bonus perks they get for free as some stated.
Voice alters the rules of the game.
If you play vs solo survivors or with solo survivors they will play and act differently and knowing that, using it to your advantage to create synergies or mindgame them as the killer is a major fun factor and the selling argument for DBD for me.
Voice takes all this away, nullifies all that skill and forces me to bend my playstyle to the will of some 3th party users.
It ruins my enjoyment of the game.
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I see where you're coming from now. You have to understand that paragraphs exist for a reason. Read again your post, then read my post and try to understand which paragraph could refer to which of your statements, it will help you understand.
Your argument that "red ranks mean nothing" is invalid because it's simply not true, as you just admitted. It means people at least have experience and knowledge but you're right, maybe I should've said that instead of "red ranks". To me, that connection is obvious but I'm S-Tier soooo.... Forgive me.
However, you didn't bring up a singe argument as to why MLGA can't be considered cheating although I made it very clear why it technically falls under that category, that's why "next time bring arguments".
I know my posts can be difficult to read, especially under such circumstances but I will try to be a bit clearer in future so you don't get unneccesarily confused :-)
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Yeah, it sucks.
But the game for SWFs is boring otherwise.
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DbD should be a team game.
DbD need a voice chat or a ping system.
But nobody wants that, because survivors are toxic.
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Because Mclean said on the dev stream that people got it wrong. SWF was always intended, they had the choice to launch the game with KYF or SWF, they chose KYF and implemented SWF later.
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