Can the game actually be balanced?
The overwhelming advantage that the killers have over survivors not only with speed differences, no recovery time when falling out of a building, larger hitbox than your character, multiple aura reading perks and add ons that can only be countered by 2 perks, 1 of them which you just lose the tokens in a rapid succession anyway depending on the killers aura reading., the amount of 1 hit down opportunities due to add ons and perks, the fact that every killers red add on is extremely useful but the survivors 3 total red add ons 1 installs 25% on a gen but only if you hit 2 hard skill checks, the other for a flashlight that maybe adds 2 more seconds to being blinded which the killer can rock something to negate that, and the last being a 1 time only insta heal and now your medkit is gone, granted thats probably the most useful but you only get 1. The amount of absolute nonsense when it comes to this is completely broken and unbalanced af. Killers also can camp someone for a full hook life, and still get more points the the survivors, and still kill a minimum of 2 people. Killer's also shouldnt be able to rock mutiple aura reading perks or add ons. There's plenty more but you get the gist. Please provide feedback...am i maybe bitching too much? is there a medium? etc.
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The killers aura reading perks are ALL really easily countered without much effort. Just learn the counters and they are useless for him.
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You seem to be under the misunderstanding that killers are the stronger role right now. That is incorrect. It's not even close.
Now can the game be balanced? Yes
Will it be? Probably not
They'd have to stop balancing around low ranks for that to happen.
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You're made weaker cause there's 4 of you.
I suggest watching some popular kids play Survivor at high ranks with their buddies.
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So add ons that allow the killer to see you within 12 meters while they are in stealth, or an add on for mike myers that lets him see you from basically bbq and chili range all game no matter what. distortion only works 3 times and if its an infinite reading aura add on that disappears instantly basically, and then the laurie perk is situation af aka being the last survivor and not everyone has laurie.
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lol, if you don't like killers having larger hitboxes, I'm pretty sure every killer main in the game is more than willing to have their hitboxes reduced.
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I understand that. That's not my complaint that they shouldn't have an advantage to some extent. But the advantage is too large. And if the killer chooses, they can kill 1 person for sure every single game and there's not a damn thing you can do about it lol. And they can still get just as many points as the top person doing that. There's more
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Lol you sound like a killer main. Killers are by far the stronger role, that's why they have all these broken add ons and perks. What's broken for the survivors? Nothing lol. Majority of all the exploits are for killers. Again, no survivor ultra rare add on is even close to as good as 1 of the killers ultra rare add ons. Also flashlights are completely ass unless you stun a killer and then use them and even then its not amazing amazing. The medkit add on is good but thats 1 time a game. So super situational. There's more opness as well lol
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No you misunderstand. Im saying the killers are able to ghost hit you. Like they can completely miss you with their swing, but you get hit. Cause it makes it like an invisible hitbox for them. Like ours is larger than im sure was intended
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This is such a strange statement knowing that there are plenty of stats out there that have the survival rate right around 50% overall. That is pretty darn balanced.
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according to the stats, the game is balanced.
Most killers sit around a 50% kill rate, which is what they are shooting for. even if this wasn't broken down by rank.
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*High Five* Great timing
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this game will never be balanced. 1v1 fighter games cant even balance all characters and this asymetrical 4v1 game makes it much harder... plus rng, plus maps, plus addons, plus perks, etc. you need to accept that there will never be guaranteed win here and you will lose even if you think you play 100%. if you can't accept that then this game is not for you.
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It can be balanced but a 4v1 game never is truly balanced in the sense we mean I think.
The one should be powerful, and the 4 should be weaker. Which they are.... but 3 or 4 people on mics... talking and coordinating crushed even the very best killers.
I'm a strong killer. They need to let us know SWF icons AFTER a match at least so killers will know if they were up against swf or solos. Just a small icon if they were SWF, or have their results box highlighting in yellow or something if they were?
Why not? It would at least show killers what is going on. From the stats SWF doesn't make "that" much of a difference it seems, but I don't know.
The power role needs power. The Legion's cooldown add ons shouldn't have been touched.
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Please inform me how I am a "killer main"? I have played both sides at rank 1 on every reset since the game came out and with probably more play hours than you and all of your friends have combined. You're simply a new player that hasn't played the game long enough to understand how it works. If you actually had some experience you wouldn't think all of these incorrect things that you do.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a killer main. It might just mean you are wrong.
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That kill rate is freaking worthless thanks to it being a total value.
It says that PC Killers at their worst (Legion) have a 50% kill rate and at their best (Hag) has 66%. Overall that doesn't seem that bad but ti just doesn't fit their other data such as Survivor survival rates by rank. Ignoring rank 20 and 1 due to the current pipping system messing with that data too much and you have a 40%-60% split from rank 19 to rank 2.
That means Killers have a kill rate of 60 at its highest for low ranks and a 40% in high ranks. 40% kill rate is console Nurse levels of bad according to their Killer kill stats. Console Nurse is ######### painful to play with how hard it is to do anything. Poor FPS and analog control makes for near impossible blinks due to having no fine control and a Nurse without good blinks just can't do anything. And yet high rank PC kill rates equal to the WORST console total kill rates! Look at Killer use sorted by rank. High ranks (1-4) is dominated by Nurse thanks to Nurse being god tier but high rank kill rates is at their worst and Nurse isn't even LISTED in the PC Killer kill rate. The best Killer on PC, the most used ranking Killer on PC, isn't even listed in PC kill rates.
It just doesn't add up at all. One stat is countering another all thanks to one being sorted by ranks and the other not. There isn't enough data for us to work with to get any real conclusions, but what is given more or less confirms that Killers as a whole are underpowered when skill becomes a factor.
Survivors survive more often as they get more skill/rank, that means Killers kill less as skill/rank goes up. It makes a VERY poor game balance as one side has room to get better through skill while the other does not. Looking at perk use supports this as well.
Killer perk data is filled with perks that slow/stall the game or makes killing faster. Ruin and Sloppy Butcher both stall for time, BBQ and Nurse's both reduce downtime. All of them are focused either stalling for time or cutting time out. Meanwhile Survivor top perks are filled with NOTHING that helps them do things faster, just 2nd chances.
That reads to me that Killers are desperate to get their objective done and can't do it on their own. While Survivors don't have to worry about much and can purely focus on themselves instead of the team.
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It took me like 100 hours each to actually feel like I *got it* with killers and survivors. And in my experience, the game is balanced more towards survivors right now, intentionally or not; Pallet looping, generator rushes, Survive With Friends information sharing... It's a lot.
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@23flash if every Killer camped their first kill to death then survivors would have a 75% escape rate at higher ranks.
Minimum escape time (given a survivor being occupied) = 144.44 seconds
Campers TTK = 120 seconds
Time the Killer has to get a second down = 24.44 seconds
Hooking a survivor from healthy takes about 10 seconds of just animation time (from hitting and then picking them up and then hooking them)
So if a Survivor can get a 14.44 second chase after the Survivors get on a gen then it will be mathematically impossible for the Killer to get a second Kill against even somewhat optimal survivors. That or just hit 3 great skill checks if the Killer doesn't have ruin. (since each one is a bit over 6 seconds of time save)
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While that is true, some killers are forced to run certain add ons and perks to reach that 50% threshold.
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While I disagree with OP, those statistics cannot be used for any kind of real conclusion. There are a multitude of factors that are scewing those stats that were not accounted for, making them near worthless.
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That is a pretty accurate comment.
And the devs have once stated that DC's are treated as kills.
So do the 3v1 games where the Survivors lose a whole teammate.
Take this into account (especially when DC's are as rampant as now), Killers are pretty hard underpowered.
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*insert shrek saying Good Question meme*
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Stopped reading immediately at "The Overwhelming advantage that the killers have over survivors"
Pathetic bad bait thread...
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so myers and wraith only? somehow makes it impossible to dodge all aura reading perks is what your arguing?...cuz they have addons for stealth sight? and you don't see every wraith or myers using them every game? wow...what a bad starwman argument...
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Bwahahahahahaha....Killer the by far stronger role? What drugs are you taking when you posted this?
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Omg...amazing trolling bud...amazing...Grade A quality trolling..
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It probably is impossible to make the game fair And balanced to everyone but Honestly if hit boxes were fixed it would feel way more balanced for survivors and if there was a way besides ruin to slow the game Down it would feel better for killers
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"overwhelming advantage"... I'm laughing here hysterically...
Play the game more. You'll see.
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I guess "Asymmetrical survival horror game" kinda flew over your head, asymmetrical meaning an imbalance of power. Irony is, you'll see that it's not as lopsided as we'd like it to be
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Because it's 4v1 the Killer will always need to be 4 times more powerful than each individual Survivor.
Your never going to get a 'feeling' of balance around that.
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It is extremely difficult to balance an asymmetrical game due to the asymmetrical nature of the game. The main problem is that the numbers role never feel like the game is fair to them, if it's balanced.
In a properly balanced asymmetrical game, the power role should absolutely demolish in a 1v1. This often feels unfair to whoever gets to be the unlucky bastard - they have next to no chance to survive and they know it. However, this is how asymmetrical games should work, in theory.
In practice, the power role is usually designed to be barely stronger than any individual member of the numbers role, with several built-in handicaps, so the numbers role feel like they have a "fair chance". This naturally leads to frustrations when playing the power role and is how asymmetrical games die. People forget that in a 4v1, every 1 that quits is another 4 who don't get to play the game.
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it won't be balanced. killers will keep getting buffed over and over. and eventually. all survivor mains will switch to killer. and this forum is already full of killer mains.
if they had a good game and killed all 4 survivors then " tHeSe wErE bAbIeS "
and if they didn't play well and sucked and let the survivors escape. then " sUrViVoR oP pLZ nERf "
i'm already switching to killer. and yes. killer is waaay easier than survivors.
and with tryhard builds. survivors will DC. because there's no way of winning
i'll probably play a few match and reach rank 1 easily. nurse literally have no counters. just basic line of sight mindgames that you can avoid the punishment for by using another blink. and yep. getting 4ks with nurse is easier than repairing a gen as survivor. nurse require skills? i literally played around 3 matches. i got rekted in them. but then i started destroying survivors easily. a bit same to repairing gens. if it's the first time for u in the game. you'll miss a lot of skillchecks. but after 3 or 4 gens. you'll stop missing them
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I still play SWF when my friends are online, but recently I also switched to "killer main" when playing solo and I agree. I get 3-4 kills in 90% of my games easily while as survivor, I don't live anywhere near that percentage of my games. And the only times I've ever gotten tilted as a killer was when I miss a hit that would've hit me had I been the survivor.
Boy I've been hit by some crazy things that were clearly misses but when I go and have the same scenario as killer, I miss. tilts the hell out of me.
Other than that, easy games.
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the problem with the hitboxes is just a problem with lag. when devs added dedicated servers during the PTB. the hitbox registration was still for killer. which gave a lot of 6-9 meter long hits for laggy killers.
if they wanted to fix the hitboxes. they will have to give the hitbox registration to the dedicated servers themselves.
you can go and ask someone who is far away from you and will probably give you around 200-300 ping when connecting to him to host a KYF lobby and let you play as killer. and watch the crazy hits that will occur (from survivor POV)
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Never seen this many bold faces lies on the forums until today...folks are really getting high on telling fibs it seems. 2.7.0 directly nullfies your post alone.
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flagged. let's hope you get banned asap.
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Flag me all you want cuz I know better. Sorry but yes, you lied...I can call you out on that : P
What an amazing way to try and claim your right, " I'll flag anyone who calls me out on my blatant lying" Good job~ Real civil~
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yep. people like you deserve to be ignored. because all what you'll do is try to make fun out of the person you disagree with.
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Oh yes...I'm making fun of you cuz I called you out for blatant lying...Get real. *shrugs*
Lawl, posting on my wall cuz your playing victim after I caught you in an obvious lye is gonna do you no good either~ That's just low.
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"The overwhelming advantage that the killers have over survivors"
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That's cause there's 4 of you.
If they focus and kill 1 Survivor, then it's still a loss.
I also still recommend my previous suggestion.
Judging from your "The advantage is too large" sentence, i take it you haven't seen the potential yet.
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Ok, let's face it. We fell for an obvious bait by a smurf/troll.
Again.
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The game is in the best spot ever balance whise. Killers in general still suffer from more drawbacks then survivors ever will. A lot of good killer mains just started playing at a time where the game was way more survivor sided because of this a lot of survivors think killers are stronger over all. That's for sure not the case all these expierenced killers just had to go to more difficult games in the past. Nurse shouldn,t be part of any balance discussion
in my oppinion the game still need to find a way to make all killers at least viable when played by skilled players agains skilled players at all ranks. Also a lot of maps still need work for both sides. O my personal wishlist is also that they manage to make more perks who are intressting enough to get rid of th current meta
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Yikes, it’s 2019 and there are still people who think the killers are in the power role? Do you also believe the world is flat?
The game will never be balanced because of SWF.
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lol y'all are actually trolling me. I get it now. Those alternative facts with the survival rate of survivors and killer kill rate...Y'all 100% ignoring the fact that if a killer gets 3 kills in a match and 1 survivor escapes that factors into the rate. not just who got the majority win. If a killer camps a full hook, the other 3 survivors kill the gens and get to the exit gate. the killer can still catch 1 of them and hook them and camp it and then get more points than the 2 people he killed. How is that fair lol? Why do we depip on that? we have 0 control of that lol. That's my complaint. Just played a game where he camped the 1st hook for full life. we finished all the gens by the time the person died, but he was still able to get to an exit gate and catch 1 survivor, hook them and then camp their full hook and then got more points than the 2 hooks he camped and we depip cause of it. That's garbage lol. That's broken. So we just have to say fk the person getting hooked and camped lol and killer doesnt get punished
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