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So i played the legion after the nerf....
.....for the first time....and i am so disappointed.
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Yeah it's a bit rough when you go out into the game without the devs holding your hand for the first time and you realize you actually have to work for your hooks. But if you can get past that it's actually quite rewarding knowing that you didn't just faceroll your way to victory.
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I personally think Legion is better to play against and to play now. There are some things I'd like to see changed (vaulting speeds are so slow sometimes the Survivor can get to the other side of a loop or to a new loop depending on where you are) but for now they are much better. You just have to play them how they were designed, spreading the damage and picking off the people who don't get far enough away from you and you can actually do that now thanks to the 115%. They are not a Huntress without projectiles, a Hag without traps, a Spirit without phasing anymore. Also you kind of should heal against them now as they can just walk up to you and M1 you.
I will say that it feels bad to find someone just as they finished healing. You ain't staying healthy for long! Though it's better than going down. The real tragedy is the nerfs to Mrs. Piggy. I love playing as her, though I haven't since the changes, but they just sound unnecessary.
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I Fell like his power is weak and useless, also the 1 miss reset your power is bullshit.I can understand the Stun, but losing all power is too much for a missing attack.
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Its about adapting, i had to learn that the hard way.
Legion is a fast wraith now, you should try to use the typical "M1 killer build"
Enduring+Brutal Strenght (sadly enough)+sloppy butcher+franklins works just fine for me, run ruin if you dont want to get rushed i guess
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Do you really lose all of your meter when you miss an attack? I'll be honest, I never noticed and was meaning to watch it and see but I always get too into the game that I never do. I also think I may have missed like 1 attack so far. At least you don't lose all your meter when you cancel it, that would be brutal.
Also his power is meant to waste time more than be a threat. It's like a small portable version of the Pig's traps only you can keep using it. Putting it that way makes the Pig changes make sense but her Traps are limited (even more so now).
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Wraith cloaked is actually faster than Legion's Frenzy. Legion=5.0m/s, Wraith=5.06m/s wraith also gets addons to make him faster in cloak.
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to me it dlesn't matter of ranks and perks etc....the fact is, survs now just like are meh against legion to me :( seeing it's when i had layed him, survs just didn't seem to be bothered of me....or i was a threat....the changes to me are not good....i dont think i can come and over adept to this...it has destroyed a fun killer i loved to play
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I can understand both the stun and the losing all your gauge when missing frenzy, I don't really get the insanely long cool down on it though. A lot of times when I ran out of frenzy pre-patch and I somehow found myself close to another survivor i could just get a frenzy hit off them. Now you just have to M1 them instead of frenzy because you're waiting 15-20 seconds. For something that is completely non-lethal it doesnt make much sense to have a long cooldown on it.
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It doesn't matter if you are rank 1 or rank 20, you are versing people at your level. By the time you hit your second survivor in ferel frenzy, the first has pretty much finished mending. It seems a waste of time using your ability now.
Legion is a Clown with no bottles or a Wraith with no invisibility.
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You get information on where other Survivors are and that first Survivor not only had to mend but also has to heal since you are a regular Killer otherwise. The Killers have a basic attack for a reason after all. Legion also has better pressure than Clown as while you are chasing one person as Clown the others are completing objectives, meanwhile as Legion the others could be mending or healing while you chase someone else. Wraith is more threatening depending on situation and playstyle more than the power itself.
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legion is at the same rank as the clown now...legion is pants now and clown needs a buff, billly needs a nerf and a partidge in a pear tree
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I have been saying that Legion is in a bad place. He's got more counterplay to him, but the increase in TR and the lowered speeds just make him feel bad to play. Also his addons need another pass as most of them aren't even decent anymore. They nerfed the cooldown addons during ptb and kept those nerfs all the way to live build. His best addons are technically his pins, but due to the fact you need to frenzy attack someone who already has deep wounds to get the pin effects makes them useless. The higher recharge time on the power also makes his power less useful in general.
A large portion of players on the forum think that Legion gets free first hits, but honestly that isn't true. Having a 32m TR by default takes away the advantage of surprise attacking. I was already doing power cancels and spreading deep wounds with the previous Legion kit. It in general felt better to do because I had more versatility in how and when I could use my power. Mending itself is just 10s so the time waste isn't really significant even if all survivors are needing to mend. Not to mention that due to the changes needs for dealing with moonwalking you now actually have far more time to wait before you actually need to mend. Also attempting to mend stops the progression of deep wounds should you ever actually have the bar decrease.
I would much rather they divorce deep wounds from Legion altogether and just give it solely to Borrowed Time. It would open up more design space on the killer and stop buffing the perk every time a deep wound nerf happened because of Legion.
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It doesn't matter about skill....the fun has gone for me playing this killer and he was all about the fun
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Legion is surprisingly fine. Better than Clown or most M1 killers really. They can get a lot of pressure and momentum if they can chain a few Feral Frenzy stabs.
Feral Frenzy gives you increased mobility, detection and extra pressure via Deep Wounds. Individualy each of theses things is weak. But when you add them up with perks and keep re-applying them over and over again, its really start to pile up.
But Legion really need to get that initial momentum. If the survivors split up consistently and don't let them chain Feral Frenzy they are just another M1 killer.
Also their add-ons are ass and need to be looked at. But really that apply to most killers.
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You might not be wrong; I'm not correcting you.
But this is what I personally find so sad: a casual chase+M1 killer. There's nothing special anymore about the new Legion.
That's what upsets me the most. It does not feel good anymore, whereas it felt awesome before - in my opinion. I adored them for their nimbleness and I miss the old, somewhat faster Feral Frenzy and the fast vaults. The +5% base movement speed don't count as "nimbleness" for me; it's just normal movement. Unrelated to their power and to rushing others down, which is what they were supposed to do.
And while I understand the theory behind the "miss a Frenzy hit = end Frenzy, get fatigued, and deplete entire gauge", I think this is too severe a punishment for ONE missed hit. This was done to combat stab spam, I get it, but depleting the bar by 50% instead of 100% - so you can get a second chance, just a second one, I'm not asking for the world here - would have been more fair to the killer player. After all, even this would still put a stop to the issue, as you can hardly call two stabs an ability spam. Would this not be a better middle way for the killer and the survivors?
I was upset about nearly all of the changes at first; I admittedly was overly emotional. But now, after some thinking and new experiences, I'm merely calling out these three things (Frenzy speed, vault speed, missed Frenzy hit punishment). And I think that is reasonable.
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I would like the legion to return the ability to attack during the Frenzy, reducing the amount of bleeding from the survivor. Let the killer himself choose tactics, either M1 or wait for the Frenzy to fill up again and attack.
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They really messed my favorite killer up..
It's not really fun to play as him anymore, but they don't care about our fun only survivors apparently. Whoever suggested the 1 miss deplete power thing is stupid.
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I miss that they don't disconect as much as before :,-( that was a good edge playing Legion
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I can still do decently as Legion but it REALLY depends on the map and how good or bad the Survivors for me. Still get some good Bloodpoints but instantly losing Feral Frenzy on missed swings blows chunks imo
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