Why people think Nurse doesn't need ruin?
Ok, many streamers like Ardetha, Tru3, Zubat etc. think ruin is not needed and also may be a crutch..well i will talk about base nurse, no add ons at least for me that i play on ps4 on red ranks. Even if you play good with short chases, many hooks, you can still get genrushed, unless you slug(happens to me more than often)... i know stealth is her only weakness so whispers may be needed instead of ruin(also for not wasting time searching in empty zone), but with the current meta i think Nurse needs it like other killers..Sure some survivor do gens with ruin, but it still does a little if it's not found in the first 30 seconds.. what do you think?
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I think you should try playing Nurse on PC...
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@Mc_Harty pointless, because even if nurse on ps4 is not as good as pc, is still able to finish chases fast, but it doesn't matter, if you don't slug, you still get genrushed without ruin... you don't have always the opportunity to slug, if survivors are smart and works separately
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Base nurse is balanced (PS4 player), if you’re good with her then you won’t need ruin. (Unless your survivors can juke a nurse.)
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I don't mean this to reflect negatively toward any streamers, but the top ones tend to lose perspective and forget that most of us don't play the game for a living or have 3k plus hours. Most opinions that streamers like ScottJund, Zubat, etc., give should come with a "results not typical" disclaimer. The most ridiculous one I hear is that Spirit doesn't need add-ons. That just sets a discouraging expectation for people who aren't optimal all the time. Again, I'm not claiming that they're deliberately misleading or even wrong, it's just that their opinions need to be taken with a grain of salt and context.
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@edgarpoop as a not streamer not amazing spirit main I still don't feel like I need addons. Especially not her best addons. Most of what you can do with spirit doesn't require addons at all, they just make it slightly faster to pull off, which is great and all but not required.
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Depends on a number of factors.
Are the survivors coordinated?
Is the Nurse player good with blinks?
Is the map very large?
I honestly don't think ruin is necessary under some circumstances but is nearly mandatory under others. It (in my opinion) will remain a staple/meta perk for a long time.
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@edgarpoop exactly, i respect a lot these streamers, but every thing they say, they wants to looks like is an absolute truth... if every other killers need ruin, why not run ruin also on nurse to make her even stronger and compensate her weakness in some maps or against good and coordinated survivors? i feel like add ons are crutch for her, anything else.. towards spirit i agree with @NuclearBurrito they are not a must, i often run just the brown add ons, they help you a little, especially if the survior takes much distance. @MegaWaffle exaclty that is my point as i said in this comment.
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Also the same they say with enduring- spirit fury on a killer like spirit or huntress(something like if you run the combo you didn't understand the killer).. ok it's not may needed this combo, but huntress can be looped, as some pallets are 50-50 mindgames(throw hatchets or keep going), for the spirit, if you go out of the phase walk right before a pallet, or you can't simply use your power cause it's recharging, even if it's a 110% killer it's still a free hit(also they don't except a 110% killer run that combo)
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she doesn't
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@miaasma thank you for your elaborated feedback
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@edgarpoop I play at rank 4 without addons, what are you talking about. I win like 90% of my matches. She doesn't have room for errors, but she's definitely good without addons. The most ridiculous one I've ever heard is that Billy doesn't need addons lol. He can rarely get a flick without them, he's a faster Leatherface without them.
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About Nurse, on PC I play her without addons nowadays at high ranks, it's like once every fortnight.
She's not ruin reliant, it's a bit much on her considering her power. But, if you struggle with genrush, it's completely understandable for you to use it. Hag, Billy or Spirit aren't ruin reliant either in case u wanted to know.
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Ruin is a staple on killers that can't apply pressure quickly to the entire map.
So Nurse, Billy, to some extent Spirit don't need it.
Hag is OK with it but Corrupt Intervention is just better for her playstyle. Trapper too but he sucks with either/both.
So yeah, it's a bit overkill on Nurse. Nothing wrong with running it while you're learning her though.
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@Poweas i can win without ruin but it's too close, i don't say i'm a god and i play perfectly but as you saw in the other post i play her pretty good.. with the increased amount of good survivors/genrushers at red ranks, sometimes even ruin is not enough in some maps even if i play good, i feel like the only way to win her is to slug with infectous fright, but as i said if survivors are smart they work separately..
@gantes everytime i play i except swf, since at red ranks i meet many swf.. so even on mobility killer i feel like it's needed, other way even if i found, down and hook the first survivors in 1-2 minute, i except 1-2 gens to go in that amount of time
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@Poweas another example, i tried her without ruin against a decent team, i made some mistakes, but played overall good.. close victory and didn't even deserve the 4th k as he was too altruistic
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You're going to need to stop thinking like that. "I didn't deserve kill because survivor was overly [insert reason]". You're not responsible for their success or failure and if they make bad decisions then they risk incurring the consequences. It has nothing to do with who deserves what. That stuff is just survivor brainwashing mentality.
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@lunaticlifter yeah you messed up when you hooked the David. I would have slugged him, and pressured the last gen. Let ace pick him up, teleport back, and down both of them.
But, not using Ruin takes a lot of practice. It isn't something you can stop using instantly. You become reliant on it and forget how difficult it can be without Ruin. Try to not use it for a month and tell me if you get used to life without Ruin on my wall.
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@ReikoMori you're right, but my point is another, the game forces you to tunnel somebody to counter genrush, if there are 2 gens left and you have not killed anybody, you probably gonna lose that game.. for me 2 k is a lose with killer like spirit or nurse even if i play on console. Gens go too fast even if you can down people fast and patrol them at red ranks, that's the point of the video
@Poweas yeah but there was also the gen near that david almost done, so the result would be probable the same, i know when to slug or not, (not running deerstalker makes me less confident to slug though), the point is that even if nurse is strong, if survivors are immersed while working on gens quickly, everybody on the different sides of the map, even with the nurse can be tough..not even mention in this game i was lucky with the good framerate lol
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You can play with any perk you want, same goes for survivor.
Choose what you're comfortable with. Just don't be surpirsed if pople call you out on it or treat you differently in game for certain "less liked" perks.
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That's exactly my point though. For most players, "not needing add-ons" and "she doesn't have room for errors" can't be the same thing. I'm not saying she's bad without them, I'm saying the average Spirit player in green ranks is going to struggle without them. My whole issue was that the people who influence these opinions are often in the top 1st percentile of players, but the people on the receiving end are often the average player who sits in rank 8-15.
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Stopped listening to big streamers for the most part, only one I like is true. Use what ever is available and base Nurse is the most balanced killer in the game. Only thing that needs changed is range add-ons and multiple blinks.
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I mean PS4 is a completely different world when it comes to playing nurse, or consoles in general that is.
On PC I generally don't feel the need for Ruin as nurse, I'd much rather have another perk like PGTW or even Shadowborn that can't be taken away from me if a totem gets blown up. You can use it, but you are most of the time perfectly capable of manually applying pressure by cycling hooks.
But then again I don't get pissed off if I don't 4K so my perspective is probably different to some people, you can obviously use whatever you want. People that claim any Nurse that runs ruin actually sucks at nurse are idiots.
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you can definitely get flicks without addons, tuning guide + engravings just make it easier
i do my best not to run ruin on anyone. currently, i only run it on huntress and myers. i need corrupt intervention on my hag/trapper, and eventually on both huntress and myers as well. on all other killers though i focus on trying to apply as much pressure as possible early on
my reasoning for doing this is that relying on a perk that can just vanish within 30 seconds is an unhealthy tendency and it allows you to get much better at spreading pressure
for example, my wraith build is BBQ + enduring + spirit fury + brutal strength. deleting pallets ASAP is a core part of playing most killers and it gets me good results at high ranks
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Nurse and billy are said not to require ruin since chases can be ended and started very fast. If your tracking is weak or your chases are decent length you will need ruin. Slugging is standard high tier play in general. Not necessarily a 4 man slug but slugging a single survivor and moving on to a target close by goes a long way to 4king. Because nurse ignores pallets she doesn't have to deal with the early game struggles every killer faces. Her ability to down you is all dependent on you and how you handle certain maps. Ruin for most killer exist to help combat the insane advantage survivors have at the start of the game.
In the end ruin is primarily for nurses who need more time learning the killer once you have a solid grasp of the killer taking off ruin will give you more of a challenge and keep your nurse games tense. Unless you just want to stomp your opponents. It leaves you vulnerable to the 1% actually insane swf teams who knock out 4 gens in 3 mins with ruin. But since there occurrence is so low preparing for it is unnecessary unless you have faced these people before and recognize them in your lobby.
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Nurse main here:
The Nurse can play with or without Ruin. It just depends on the player.
Old school Nurses tend to use Shadowborn, BBQ, NC, and Whispers. Infectious Fright is also widely used now.
Other Nurses (like myself) use Ruin because it's such a useful perk. And since I can play without Shadowborn, that frees up a perk slot.
Also, this idea that only bad Nurses use Ruin is bull. Plenty of great Nurses play with Ruin.
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@Mister_Holdout exactly
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