Jason - Stand alone patch
What do people think the odds are of ever seeing Jason in DBD?
For this, I am going to ignore the similarity with the trapper ((As we have Leatherface and Billy) the same would apply if we got Pennywise as we have the Clown).
F13 the game has all the legal ***** that happened. But perhaps Behavior could get an arrangement with both parties involved?
If so, what would you like to see as powers/perks (They do not need to match the F13th the game ones)
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0%. He is not coming to Dead By Daylight anytime soon, if ever. Give it a rest.
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Absolutely zero percent until the lawsuit is completely resolved which could take years. If this game is still going strong five years from now, then it is likely.
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/salty
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Just tired of these pointless threads. It will be YEARS before the lawsuit is over, more than likely.
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Says the guy making posts about DC'ers and Perks LOL
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When the lawsuit ends: 100%.
The thing is this lawsuit could last until 2021-2022. It even has a chance to make it all the way to the US Supreme Court if whoever loses the upcoming appeal decides to appeal the appeal.
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I already said the legal reasons in my first post....anyway.
How is Leatherface not a nasty remake of Billy?
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There almost the same in many ways. Once you have all the perks its very similar apart from Billy's speed
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What about Remake Jason? There has to be a licence that the Originals and the game doesn't have?
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It's not the F13 game that is keeping DbD from getting Jason. The entire franchise is basically on hold right now.
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Nice profile stalk. Despite what you may think, my rude friend, I present ideas and I do not attack people who answer a question.
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0% even after the legal issues between the writer and Illfonic are settled. That license has always been hell to deal with and now that a company has been burned legally by the license owner its going to be persona non grata. Actually, I think the legal stuff has been settled, but still that license is not worth the risk after seeing how it killed its own game. No one wants to run the risk of someone getting antsy and wanting the content pulled.
All the Jason films pretty much gotta go through the same license holder. It isn't a public domain property where you can just do a remake and that remake is yours. You're actually looking at a lot of dense copyright law that prevents that from happening. If you could just do remakes of a thing and then have that thing as standard practice without the original being in the public domain....People could start remaking Disney films and flooding the market with Wizards of Waverly Place knockoffs. Or Predator films that have nothing to do with the other films, but still bill themselves as legit.
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Anyone here could make fun of you based off the threads you have made in the past so please don't be that rude :P
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Actually a recent update in the case shows it could be closed by May of next year. Regardless, even if it takes longer the game is said to be updated for the next 5 years so the likelihood of seeing Jason before the games end is pretty high.
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Not until the lawsuit ends...BHVR doesn’t wanna get themselves involved in that nonsense. I’d love a Crystal Lake map with The J Man and either Tommy/Trish Jarvis or Chris Higgins. That would be amazing. I have fond memories of playing F13 the Game with friends...even if it is a buggy mess. It was still super fun.
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I thought the reason that the game owners couldn't get a specific Jason without authorization because of licence issues? So that's why i thought each film had its own licence and creator to it
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Dude chill. These kind of posts aren't the end of the world. How does one get triggered by this anways?
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The franchise as a whole is one singular license. Illfonic wanted to add more content to the game, but the license holder for some reason pulled out of the established deal they already had. So when he pulled out of the deal they were effectively forbidden to add anymore actual content such as new Jason variants, counselor variants, and maps. Since their entire game is built around the license and they suddenly got access pulled it left them in a situation where they can still sale and maintain the game, but not add new content to it.
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It is doubtful it will be finished in that short of time.
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I am not "triggered." I just don't like seeing the same threads every day and he asked a question, i answered it and he did not like it.
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"0%. He is not coming to Dead By Daylight anytime soon, if ever. Give it a rest"
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Never mind. I misread the post I was replying to.
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Yep. I answered your question. That is what you wanted, yes?
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That is the earliest possible date. If not then, people say sometime in 2020 or 2021 which is still during Dead By Daylights lifespan.
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I, for one, do not want Jason in DbD. It's bad enough we already have Myers and Freddy reduced to killing their prey by putting them on hooks (unless you use a Mori, which tends to just piss off survivors). The hooks make sense with Leatherface, as he actually put victims on hooks at times in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (both the original and the 2003 remake), but are just anticlimactic with those two.
The last thing I'd want is for Jason to be reduced to a hooking machine. I'd much prefer he one day get his own game again that does his killing style justice.
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@ReikoMori I'll be honest, while I like DbD, I like the core design elements in F13 a hell of a lot more. From the counselor various escape methods, to being able to fight back, to managing fear. I like that both sides use the same third-person view, not one in third and one in first. And I love the various kills that can be unlocked for Jason as well as the environmental kills.
Hell, I even have fun on nights when I just want to relax and not PvP being able to play hard bots or the single player challenges (still haven't done them all).
Hindsight being what it is, I wish Cunningham had never contacted Gun Media and offered them the F13 game license, and that the project had stayed as the original Summer Camp, non-licensed game.
I really wish a studio with the ability to properly handle a game would come out with a game similar to F13 in core elements.
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Same, I enjoyed F13 a lot although some think the game was unbalanced :/ Jason had a high skill cap and could beat the counselors. THe counselors also could bully the killer if he was bad as well though.
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@KillermainBTWm8 I agree with what you said. And although it takes 10 minutes to trigger unless Jason is bullied (then it triggers faster), I actually like the Rage mechanic they added.
Hell, even when I play Quick Match over there still to this day, I like his Rage mechanic as counselor. It means I am really going to run like hell from Jason.
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BHVRs other game just got terminator.
Don't say "never". With enough money, licensed can change in a blink (look at the garbag...I mean "financial success" ...star wars has become)
Money can make anything happen....even a goddamn jar jar binks.
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Yeah, but in-game DC's and perks are real in-game issues. You're the most salty if in case anyone is, it's just irritating to hear someone cry over obvious facts.
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While that's makes sense. Jason isn't hooking people based on his own free will. He's forced to do it. I think really he's the last known popular slasher that isn't in the game, so I can't wait for him.
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@ProfoundEnding Well, I fully believe it's going to be a long wait. Miller is ultimately going to win this thing, of that I am convinced. And since he already won the copyright he was seeking in a lower court for the original Friday the 13th film, I really don't see the Appellate Court suddenly siding with Cunningham. He simply didn't have enough evidence to show in the original trial to prove that the work-relationship with Miller was structured in such a way that it prevents him from re-claiming the rights.
As of right now, unless I am forgetting a point, his current victory gave him the rights to the original film, but not the Friday the 13th title nor the mask wearing Jason Voorhees. Cunningham is fighting tooth and nail via appeal against that.
And with good reason. Anyone who's worked in entertainment (I have, for over 25 years) knows that if Miller retains this victory, a new lawsuit is coming. Why? Because he would own the rights to the original film, which established the Jason Voorhees character. He will then likely file the next stage suit for the entire Jason character. The adult, mask wearing Jason Voorhees is a direct result of:
1) The original child character he created that drowned in Crystal Lake per the original film, and . . .
2) Maintains those events from the original film since Jason and many other later elements are all directly derived from Miller's original film and character.
Miller is not going to ignore that money from Jason Voorhees. This entire fight has been about the money that Friday the 13th is worth. And without the original screenplay that he has thus far won the copyright fight for, there would not be a mask wearing Jason Voorhees that made all that money, in the first place.
Miller needed to establish copyright ownership of the original screenplay before he could then go after the Jason Voorhees character that came about only because of that screenplay.
Unless Cunningham pulls a lucky horseshoe out of his rear end, this fight is long from over. It's just in its first phase.
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I'm pretty sure that not only does Miller only have the original film, he only has it in the United States, which is worthless because nobody is going to want to make something that can only be released in one country, even if it is one of the bigger markets.
I think this is going to end with Cunningham controlling the franchise but Miller getting a serious cut of all the profits, and this is being dragged out as long as possible in the hopes that the cut can be as small as possible.
The name Jason Voorhees comes from Miller's screenplay, but everything else about the character he had nothing to do with.
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@The_Manlet My point was only that this thing isn't going to end in a year or two. It's just the first phase. Cunningham has already shown himself to be unwilling to give Miller a cut, and when Miller goes after the next phase, win or not, Cunningham is likely not going to cave unless financially forced to.
At this point, I would not shocked if Cunningham is attempting to draw it all out in the hopes that Miller runs out of money to fight it at some point.
But my point to the person I replied to was that I would not expect this to be over by the 2020 or 2021 dates mentioned for the current suit. I don't see it being the final suit. Miller isn't doing this just for the first film's screenplay. He's directly talked about the money Friday the 13th is worth and how he saw none of it. He's going to eventually go after Jason Voorhees as a direct result of his original screenplay, because adult Jason has never been separated from the original film at any point in the franchise. He was always a result of it, not the least of which was Pamela's death. Something that has been shown repeatedly with adult Jason via her decapitated head. That, just by itself, establishes it as a direct result of Miller's (now) original film's copyright.
Friday the 13th Part 2, which introduces the adult Jason, begins with the Final Girl from the original film and continues her story, including direct flashbacks to the Pamela events from the original film. Thereby creating the direct connection between the adult Jason films and the original film.
Never mind how in some films, the "legend" of Jason drowning as a kid and coming back and murdering people and his mother being beheaded was blatantly stated. Such as in Freddy vs Jason and the 2009 remake. Both films which have Cunningham as a Producer and thus also directly connected to him, the franchise, and therefore the original film.
Cunningham, over the decades, has allowed adult Jason Voorhees to maintain a direct connection to the original film. Friday the 13th Part 2 clearly established that. And that is going to allow Miller to eventually sue for Jason revenue.
But to do that, he first needed to re-claim his rights to the original, establishing screenplay. That's phase one.
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He's never going to be in DbD. The owners are too greedy for it.
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This game doesn't have Pinhead, Driller Killer, The killer from Sleepaway Camp, Chucky, any puppets from Puppet Master, Art The Clown from Terrifier, Red from Us, The Collector, The Miner from My Bloody Valentine which is iconic. I could keep listing cult classics and other missed icons. #########, if you want really deep cuts then you have youtube stuff like Crypt TV's the Look-See.
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Really the only big one from that list is Chucky and that's debatable. I'm talking about the most iconic slasher characters. Freddy, Jason, Ghostface, Michael, Leatherface. Those would be my top picks. And most people would know those names before knowing any you listed off. I don't even recognize half of them. Again, Chucky is debatable, mostly only because I doubt they could put him in the game realistically.
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Art the Clown is a current thing on Netflix that started out on the All Hallow's eve anthology. He uses saws, syringes, guns, a chain with sharp things imbedded in it to whip people, and has supernatural powers that allow him to survive lethal wounds and teleport. He may also be a demon.
My Bloody Valentine had a remake in 2009 and the original came out in 1981. It has a decently known iconic status for being a slasher film that shifted focus from teens to twenty something aged adults. Uses a pickaxe to kill people
Sleepaway Camp is cult classic that is also a meme in the genre as the movie is pretty goofy. Kid kills other kids through different means, but the film's iconic scene is the ending where they are holding a kid's severed head and knife. Though it isn't iconic for that specifically. This is also where the film reveals its an old meme.
Pinhead is who people thought the upcoming chapter was going to feature. He's the villain in Hellraiser.
Puppet Master is a franchise that defies common explanation. Just give it watch.
Red is from the second Jordan Peele horror movie Us. Its relatively new, but more slasher centric than Get Out which was his more science horror film. She has a pair of golden scissors that she stabs people with and is the leader of a clone revolt.
The Collector is from his own two film franchise of the same name. He is advanced Trapper and stuffs people who wants to "collect" in a travel trunk. He's obsessed with poisonous insects and has the ability to trap all the windows and doors of a home seemingly in a instant.
The Look-See is extradimensional being that warp reality and kill by many methods. It also picks one person to be its herald or slave.
Driller Killer is a guy who kills people with a power drill. The film itself is a Black/Dark comedy.
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@ReikoMori I knew every one of the killers you mentioned. I was born in 1972, and well remember the original My Bloody Valentine as well as Sleepaway Camp. :D
Wife and I also enjoyed both Collector films.
With that list, I'm shocked you didn't mention Three Finger from Wrong Turn.
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I always forget to mention Wrong Turn. Another good one is The Hills Have Eyes.
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@ReikoMori The Hills Have Eyes is another classic.
For more modern, there's also Victor Crowley from Hatchet. There's another Jason-esque killer for BHVR without having to deal with the mess that is Friday the 13th and Sean Cunningham.
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Never. There is a game for those who want to play jason. It's Friday the 13th: the game. These two came out in the same year.
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So? They're different games. Just because he's in one, doesn't mean he can't be in another.
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Exclusive licensing. One game has the exclusive rights to be able to use Jason.
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Theres two different questions. One is if hes coming or a possibility. The other being perk suggestions.
You mention the legality of it so i dont know why you bother with first question.
Jason wont be on dbd.
As for perks, its all make believe so whats the point.
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