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Why can the Clown cut off fingers but the Demogorgon mori still shows the head of survivors?

This makes no sense, and it's a big reason why I don't consider it the best mori. Legion's or GhostFace's moris are my favorites. I'm not sure why people think it's such a good mori when it looks pretty average to me, considering their heads are still attached, and have no teeth marks in them.

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  • Coriander
    Coriander Member Posts: 1,119

    A lot of people would rather keep the gore to a minimum, so it's more appropriate for a wider audience. There really isn't a need for it, to be honest. I think the finger is only there because of the significance and also a new addition to his collection. Demogorgon is only a beast who eats people.

  • Atrushan88
    Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,092
    edited September 2019

    The clown literally puts the finger in his mouth. I find that far more gross than a head missing on a survivor that you'll barely see, and if that's the case the Demogorgon shouldn't even put their head in it's mouth. Also, again, the Demogorgon has multiple rows of teeth. Their eyes being rolled in the back of their head being the only difference with their head is a really flimsy detail.

  • NuclearBurrito
    NuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,807

    It's a cool mori. But I do wish it bit off their head properly, that would make it a top tier Mori.

  • ABannedCat
    ABannedCat Member Posts: 2,529

    It wouldnt make sense for the head to be bitten off. Look at Demogorgon's teeth. They are like needles. Designed for injuring prey by puncturing and causing rapid blood lose, not to bite off anything.

  • DingDongs
    DingDongs Member Posts: 684

    But what if they update mori and make Demogorgon does V O R E instead chewing?

  • Atrushan88
    Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,092

    I suppose, but it's still gory, and their rating is still Mature, that would mean they should still be able to do it.

    Um, have you seen the mori? The Demogorgon never opens it's mouth. It's teeth are carved inward meaning it would at the very least pull chunks of the head off, which would be more gory than just pulling the head off imo. When it "pulls off" of the survivor, it's mouth is entirely closed around the head. Also as I said, the survivor's head does not even have puncture wounds on their head. The only difference from their head is their eyes are rolled in the back of their head.

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,949

    I'm good with Demo's mori staying as is. An actual decapitation feels unnecessary and out of sync with the rest of the game. Basically, I think it is for the same reason that survivors don't have giant holes in their chest after they are hanged on a hook.

  • Raven014
    Raven014 Member Posts: 4,188

    I think part of it may be due to limitations on certain platforms and not wanting to get their game banned for overly graphic content.

  • Dr_Loomis
    Dr_Loomis Member Posts: 3,703
    edited September 2019

    I always thought that Dead by Daylight was more sinister and grisly than Friday 13th. Even though F13 had those gory kills, with DBD you have a bleak, humourless atmosphere mixed with horrific imagery.

    With F13 it had more of a lighthearted feel with the (annoying) emotes and over the top costumes. The councillors being able to talk also gave them character.

    Both games are rated 18. I see no reason why DBD can't feature heads being eaten. I mean the area is fully covered, it's not like we're witnessing somebody having their head decapitated in full view.

    Sometimes decapitations can be seen as somewhat 'humorous'. What's more brutal? Jason punching some guys' head clean off (with no gore) or Jigsaw slashing Detective Tapp's throat with a retractable blade, with blood flowing from the wound as Tapp tries desperately to hold on to life.

    The Jurrasic Park and Jaws films featured decapitation scenes too, and at one time they were rated as PG.

    Maybe it's a Stranger Things factor...SF is a 15 rated show which whilst featuring some violent scenes, doesn't contain scenes of extreme violence.

  • Atrushan88
    Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,092
    edited September 2019

    I disagree with it being out of sync with the rest of the game, and I also disagree with his mori being as it is. I think they should either change Demogorgon's animation to where he doesn't envelop the survivor's head, or make it actually do what it portrays by either leaving bite marks all on their head and opening the mouth and removing it off of the head, or removing the actual head. Currently the animation is completely out of sync with the portrayal of the survivor. It completely breaks immersion in my eyes. Sure you could argue the same about hooks, but you can be healed when off the hook. You can't when you're actually dead.

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  • TheGorgon
    TheGorgon Member Posts: 777

    Well, there is a big difference between "cutting a finger" and "decapitation" and decapitation shows much more blood and gore than you think. Either way, I'm all for it because it is limited by country rules and such. Mortal Kombat X doesn't seem to have issues, but...

  • Clockso
    Clockso Member Posts: 853
    edited September 2019

    I remember one of the devs saying why, and it’s not because it’s too gory, it’s because the survivors model can’t have their head removed, and when the clown does his mori the finger shrinks to the point where you can’t see it, i’ll try to find where the devs said it to prove it

  • Atrushan88
    Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,092

    Couldn't they at least have the survivor's head have teeth marks or SOMETHING to make it appear as if something with sharklike teeth has been literally pulling at their head?

  • Clockso
    Clockso Member Posts: 853

    I agree, it’s looks so bland and boring, at least they could show it from a different angle so that we can at least assume the head got decapitated

  • TragicSolitude
    TragicSolitude Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 7,347
    edited September 2019

    I wish this game had more gore.

    It's a horror game where you whack people with bladed weapons and chainsaws and then impale them on meat hooks. DbD is unnecessarily tame given its subject matter.

  • Mister_Holdout
    Mister_Holdout Member Posts: 3,144

    Because I guess that would be too graphic in BHVR's eyes.

    Fun fact: In For Honor, Shugoki can actually crush someone's head with his bear hands. Their head actually explodes. It's a GOT reference. Pretty cool if you ask me.

  • Atrushan88
    Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,092

    They look like they just fell asleep with their eyes open or had a seizure, not like a beast with sharp teeth pulled at their head.

  • TheALIEN
    TheALIEN Member Posts: 327

    Talks of dismemberment- in a mature-rated game.


    *Doom Slayer bends over in a fit of laughter, splitting the skull of an Imp with his fingertips*

  • indieeden7
    indieeden7 Member Posts: 3,400

    I literally cannot believe not a single person has given the right answer. In certain countries, a videogame which shows beheading will automatically be banned within that country. Obviously the devs don't want to make a kill animation that gets their game banned in parts of the world where they have a large number of players (which is practically everywhere).

  • Dr_Loomis
    Dr_Loomis Member Posts: 3,703

    So are Friday 13th, Mortal Kombat or any game featuring beheadings banned in certain countries? Genuine question.

  • Cymer
    Cymer Member Posts: 946

    Right now the Demogorgan's Mori looks like he is molesting the female survivors, pushing them on the ground, fondles their breasts with it's claws and smooches them to death. Just pay attention to it and you cannot unseen it.

  • indieeden7
    indieeden7 Member Posts: 3,400

    I'm pretty sure they would be, I know Mortal Kombat has definitely been banned in a number of countries.

  • Carpemortum
    Carpemortum Member Posts: 4,506

    Because while dismemberment is always dismemberment, there is a BIG difference between decapitation, and amputation.

  • AshleyWB
    AshleyWB Member Posts: 4,061
    edited September 2019

    Maybe the demogorgan could put one of those worm things in people's mouths like what spoiler happened to thingy at some place.

    Less need for gore in return for something more freaky which resonates closely with stranger things and the demogorgan.

  • Dr_Loomis
    Dr_Loomis Member Posts: 3,703

    To be fair they could of just had the Demogorgon maul people as a mori, like it did to Bob

  • Atrushan88
    Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,092
    edited September 2019

    Maybe but I really think something has to be done to make it a bit better. It doesn't make any sense seeing a Demogorgon head envelop another person's head, pull it off(visually), and then see them laying on the ground with their head perfectly attached and even look completely untouched with no blood or teeth marks or anything.

  • Mister_xD
    Mister_xD Member Posts: 7,669

    a finger is one thing - a head is on a whole different level.

    in the end, its very easy to just shrink one finger so its so small you wont see it and give the clown a very bloody "finger" to lick and put away on his belt, a head is very different from that. fingers pretty much all look the same, though every survivor head is unique, so adding bite marks would mean reworking every single survivors head and every single head cosmetic, which is just way too much work.

    ripping the head off is also not easier, as the hair on the heads has its own physics and therefore it would look very weird if the head disappeared, though suddenly the survivor has a very hairy chest / back (i read this some time ago in a post from @Peanits, i think he could explain this better than me xD) and they would also have to rework all the torso skins to have this ripped off head.


    TL;DR: it would be way too much work for such a minor detail.

  • Atrushan88
    Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,092

    I wouldn't think it was very minor. I'd rather they do a whole different animation than make something THAT immersion breaking imo.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,527

    I think the real reason is the body itself. Has anyone actually checked if the survivor on the ground is still missing a finger? A body still having all 10 fingers is easy to miss, but a body having its head still, after you clearly saw an animation where it was bitten off...is gonna be noticed.

  • Atrushan88
    Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,092

    I wish I could upvote you more than once. I mean, I wish I could upvote myself more than once.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,783

    You are banned from humanity for uttering the words "VORE" and "Demogorgon" in the same sentence. I will be at your place of residence to collect your soul.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,527

    SHHHHHHH.... Gotta keep up appearances random stranger that I have absolutely no affiliation with.

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334
    edited September 2019

    @Peanits already explained this. They use a method where they shrink the players finger to where it's so small it disappears. The finger isn't actually being cut off. They can't do this with heads for two reasons, the different hairstyles wouldn't allow it to be done without clipping/hair sticking to survivors backs, and the fact that decapitation is banned in certain countries.

  • Awakey
    Awakey Member Posts: 3,145

    He doesn't decapitate you... He just breaks your neck.

    Seriously, it would be a huge hassle to the graphic design and programming team(s) to put this in.

  • Atrushan88
    Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,092
    edited September 2019

    And again, teeth marks on the face/head would at least SOMEWHAT not SEVERELY break immersion. They also could have done the animation differently if they didn't want that, because as it is now, it clearly looks like their head is being eaten. My first thought when seeing the mori has been "Uh...what? Why is their head completely untouched and still on their neck?" and ever since, whenever I see it I just cringe because it looks so wrong with their head still on their head and untouched.

    Oh, I meant...you have a very good opinion, one that I wholeheartedly agree with, random person on the internet.