Since 2K is the ideal
Is 1K actually not that bad?
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2K is the rarest outcome. You'll usually either kill everyone (or the last one will get the hatch) or you'll kill one and probably have to camp him at endgame with NOED to do it. Matches where all the generators are done and two die and two escape are quite rare. This is mainly because of anti-tunnel perks and the fact that if they aren't in play and the killer does tunnel, the remaining survivors won't be able to power the remaining gens.
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If everyone in the community suddenly thought 1 or 2 kills isn't bad i don't think anyone would care about gen times.
1 or 2 kills is rather easy and reasonable result to achieve if thats what was actually considered not bad.
No one would call you a baby ez killer and bad for getting 1 or 2 kills.
People want 3 or 4 kills or nothing because the community constantly picks on people who don't by saying the stuff above or tea bagging at the gates.
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If 2k is ideal, camping is a viable and efficient tactic.
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Problem with BHVR saying "2k" is their intention with how they would like the average match to go is that their ranking system completely disagrees. Even in low ranks its damn near impossible to rank up with only a 2k.
I do not care for rank because I no longer play the game to the extent I use to and pretty much have everything unlocked, so the "fun factor" works for me. People who want to get to rank 1 however have to hunt that 4k and seeing as how DBD only has "ranked" as an option many people see safety/depip as a loss regardless of hitting that BHVR 2k.
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I think a 2 kill average just means that there are enough 0-1k games to balance the 3-4k games, giving an overall average of 2 kills. Not necessarily that they want games with exactly 2 kills to be the most common. I've never been good with statistics, though lol.
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3 kill average is 99% for me due to hatch but with a low tier Killer, 2k is fine.
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It's not the ideal, I think that number it's the average of kills per game, In my experience most games end up with 3/4 or 0/4 kills when I'm a survivor and 3/4 or 4/4 kills when I'm a killer and I'm not doing daylies. As others say 3/4 or 1/4 an average number of 2 is pure logical, which doesn't imply that is the number of kills per game in reality
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As others have said. If the killer is doing well enough to get a kill early enough the odds of any survivors escaping is drastically reduced. For me, that threshold is killing one survivor before two gens are repaired.
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I dont understand the logic behind 2k u can easily get 2k by just face camping
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2K 2 escape would be great, if the game would let you pip.
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Goes along with what I said in getting the kill early enough. Whether that's from playing "nice" or playing dirty. If you get that one kill but it takes 3 or 4 gens to do so then the odds are in the survivors favor.
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Thanks everyone for the responses, I really just try to have fun playing killer now tbh.
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2 kill and 2 escape is a false measurement.
How many games have you played where at the endgame the survivors just throw in order to save someone on the hook?
Games should be measured on how many pipped not lived.
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That's the problem, the developers want a 2K balance for all killers yet when you do get a 2K as the killer, the ranking system likely de-pips you.
The developers unintentionally made a ranking system that goes against their word. :(
I suggest they redo the killer piping requirement because right now, things aren't adding up.
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Technically, there's lots of bratty survivors out there who say EZ when you only get 1 kill.
Heck, I've seen survivors say EZ when you get 3 kills.
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That's what i was saying i agree.
I was just saying that i think these people are a big cause of killer complaints. Some people here in debates will often say killers just want 4ks all the time.
Those people that mock you for getting 2 or 3 give killers the mindset that only 4ks matter.
If getting 1 or 2 kills didn't = insults, rude dms and page posts maybe there would be fewer nerf survivor/increase gen time/add a new escape objective posts everywhere?
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The problem with 2k 2e is that you are saying essentially that the gates are gaurenteed to open every game, when you play to win. If the gates open and you've only got one kill chances are that's all you'll get.
Preventing the gens from being done is hard, it requires all tactics necessary and a bit of luck, but doing almost always means 3-4 kills. So to rank up some "ends justify the means" playing is used because no, 1k by the games standards, is not doing well.
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It's a very understandable strategy. With 4 survivors alive the dynamic is always against you. One hooked, one saving, one chased still leaves gens being done by the last.
As soon as you eliminate one person, a hooked survivor and a chase occupies the whole team which progresses you, not them.
It seems like being mean, and then "playing nice" but if you can kill someone fast enough, it's the most efficient way to be able to play for higher points and rank.
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2 of 4 escape sounds nice on paper, but balancing about half the survivors failing or the killer only reaching half of his goal sounds weird.
Especially if it keeps getting misinterpreted into a "50%" escape chance.
And on the "killers want to 4k " topic:
- Survivors want to escape
- Swf with X members wants X escapes
- Killers want to kill all survivors
Its their goddamned goal laid out by the game: kill 4 survivors, get 2500bp for it.
@BBQnDemogorgon Back then even the trial score screen mocked killers with "graceless defeat" or "petty killer" for low killcounts. Survivors never were judged but had their status stated objectively (sacrificed/escaped)
Survivors' "bad winner" attitude doesnt help either, youre right on that point.
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Oh yeah, I've gotten trash talked after a 3k. A wounded guy made it to the hatch by the skin of his teeth and hit me with the GG EZ right after.
I tend to agree with the various observations being made that it's problematic to consider 2k the ideal when the community, both sides of it, seem to regard it as a humiliating defeat for the killer.
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Yes it is, I didn't mean for it to be read as a critic, it is more as an informative comment, I've done this in red ranks actually.
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If your goal as a killer is a 2k you’ve already lost. You’re fighting for 4 kills every game
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I'm usually satisfied with two regardless of what the Emblems say.
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Really? I don't think I've ever depipped when getting two kills. I normally black pip when getting one kill. the only problem I have with the ranking system is that I feel like black pip too often when getting 3 kills, heck sometimes even 4 kills.
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