Amanda's add-ons

Volfawott

So this is just me addressing and rating a couple of Amanda's add-ons.

I've put these into three categories had top tier add-ons, her conditional and needs work.

Top tier.

Combat straps: now anyone who didn't think these were going to be on here is kidding themselves debatably her best add-on.

Video tape: like combat straps honestly no one should be surprised to see these here and honestly you can make the argument whether these or combat straps are her best add-ons

Medical file: this may not be as good as video tape but it still is surprisingly effective honestly if you ever run low on video tapes or want a super fast ambush with the combination of both this is always one of your best friends

Last will: very nice add on let's you spread a lot more pressure throughout the game and if you are an end game piggy it does allow you to use more traps in the early to mid stages. Not much else to say about it it's just do it really solid add on. 

Tempered timer: now do I have personal issues with how easy it is to get a reverse bear trap off but I can't deny these are an amazing pressure tool, you would be surprised how much 30 seconds could do to freak people out when they see that time speeding down

Slow release toxin: one of my favourite add-ons as it is the bane of people who use sprint burst to quickly get to a box not only that but if you do manage to find someone with a bear trap it makes them a lot easier to down when they don't have their exhaustion perk.

Jigsaw sketch(Jigsaw's Annotated Plan): honestly anything that could reduce the successful rng of the bear traps is good for me and unlike it's incorrectly named brother it's actually worth equipping.

Ruleset no 2: I may be of the mindset that this should be part of her base kit and the add-on itself should be changed but since that's not going to happen for a while or even ever. This is an amazing way to make sure bear traps actually last until they activate which means that's even more time wasted that you could take advantage of.

Conditional add-ons:

Face mask: now don't get me wrong I personally feel like this is an amazing add on but let's be honest it's effectiveness kind of diminishes vastly when you're not using it with knockout.

Rusty attachments: don't get me wrong like with facemask this can be really effective when paired up with Thanatophobia, nurses calling but other than that it's still very mild by itself and only really is a threat if their trap is active at the time.

Utility blades: I'm guessing you're seeing a pattern it's only really effective if combined with bloodhound but unlike the previous two it's not even mildly effective on its own.

Interlocking razors: now the problem with this is that skill checks are not hard to hit and the Jigsaw boxes use standard skill checks unlike the doctor's snap out of it which means unless you are using a distressing unnerving presence build, people aren't going to be really messing up and even then it's still not hard to hit standard unnerving presence maybe if down the line they finally make huntress lullaby applicable to jigsaw boxes it might make me consider putting it on the top tier.

Needs work 

The gear add-ons: not enough care and consideration has actually been put in to fix these things as they have been broken since release so I'm not even going to put enough care and consideration to give them their own separate mentions actually fix them and maybe they might go on the top list.

Jigsaw's Annotated Plan(Jigsaw sketch): this gets chipped so badly by it's high rarity brother that it's not even funny even medical files are not this useless in comparison to video tape even if you're running low on jigsaw sketch I would still not advise using it.

Razor wire: the same problem that applies two interlocking razors applies to this however interlocking razors severely punish mistakes this cannot

Workshop Grease: The same problem with razor wire but it's worse honestly if I was to apply a fix for both of them I would suggest instead of making skill check appearing more frequently make them considerably more difficult.

Amanda's letter: This is probably my favourite add-on of Amanda's but doesn't mean I'm not going to lump it in this area it has the same problem scratched mirror Myers has but a lot worst if you're not on the smaller on more compact map like the Memorial Institute or meat plant it's effectiveness practically goes down the drain. 

Mainly because you lose all your stall potential with two boxes survivors have a 50% chance of actually getting their trap off and you only have one trap not only that but when crouched you have the crippling effect of moving slower than nurse and you're only benefit for this is 12 m aura reading. If I can suggest any way to fix it just increase the aura reading range to actually make up for the loss of your power. Especially considering this is an ultra rare

Amanda's secret: talk about negatives outweigh the positives though it's debatable if this is less egregious than Amanda's letter on that. The information this thing gives you in return for losing the sight of your jigsaw boxes is pretty useless unless you plan on dedicating your time hounding people who are affected by the Jigsaw boxes and if that's your plan honestly there are better ways and add-ons to go about it. Personally I can't think of a fix for this that wouldn't be heavily abused so if anyone has any suggestions go ahead

Someissues

Her addons are still really bad honestly

and only 1 common addon to increase her crouch related stuff

Volfawott

Someissues said:

Her addons are still really bad honestly

and only 1 common addon to increase her crouch related stuff

Yeah sadly, even though I know Freddy and Wraith  are probably the next on the buff table after Hag and Trapper after you get them out the way I would really like to see some TLC go to Amanda her add-ons and some aspects of her power on both on RBT and the crouch/ambush need it

TheRealHansGruber

i always thought The Pig's ultra rares are just bad. Neither of them do enough

Volfawott

TheRealHansGruber said:

i always thought The Pig's ultra rares are just bad. Neither of them do enough

Amanda's letter is bad but rule set no.2 is fine it's  just really should be part of her base kit not a add on 

Eninya

All addons related to Ambush and box searching are weak, even if you build around them. They always will be due to the roar attached to the attack sequence. In many cases, it's better to simply exit stealth, and the only solid application it has after the initial sneak of the game is to mind-game some pallet loops. I mean, on grassy maps you actually struggle to see in the distance when fog is rendering correctly, so sometimes it's just as big a detriment to try and sneak and be aware of your surroundings.

Rules Set No. 2 is... okay when combined with Tampered Timer. It's not even good with +1 box because the only time seeing boxes matters is when your timer is going anyway. If the timer isn't active, you have as much time as you need (provided you evade the killer) to remove your trap.

I like that Pig's traps are anti-tunnel mechanics (granted, I see 80% of Pigs still tunnel, and often camp, with them), but they're just as limited as they can be useful. I never use the Hemorrhage or Mangled addons because the Exhaustion addon is so much stronger for catching a trapped survivor. Mangled is pointless because they will remove their trap before they're healed if they can, and Hemorrhage is almost universally unnecessary for finding an injured survivor if your audio is configured properly.

Facemask sounded good on paper, but anything not Third Seal isn't good for isolation mechanics because survivor perks beat them. It's a wasted addon slot, and it doesn't blind them from seeing boxes, either. (Ultra rare addon to increase timer, but unable to see box auras, maybe?) The problem is that you need the OTHER survivors blinded--not the one you trapped. It would make a LOT more sense to have Pig's traps prevent aura reading on her target as an addon, or maybe a reworked in feature.

I really like that she promotes even punishment with her traps enabling scenarios in which a survivor is 100% locked out of repairing generators without dying (even if it's built upon RNG). Make Your Choice further cemented this in her design when they built her base perks. However, the traps aren't as directly effective as a Trapper's bear trap is because they don't apply any immediate danger. You're also unable to control the activation of the timer until the end of the match, so if generators stall everyone can remove them at their leisure while you're hunting. This isn't a particularly good situation for Pig, even if she built for tracking.

My favorite addons are:
Tampered Timer - Versatile; always useful

Rules Set No. 2 - Fun, and promotes panic

Jigsaw's Annotated Plan/Sketch - +1 box, even with +30s timer, can waste an immense amount of time

Slow-Release Toxin - Makes for catching survivors easy, and nulls Vigil's broken synergy with Sprint Burst. Great when that last standing survivor is trapped and running around. (I seriously underestimated this addon for a long time.)

If you run Distressing + Unnerving Presence, her box search addons become okay-ish at best, but you're still burning two perk slots with questionable usefulness at best. The Macabre Search skill checks are nowhere near as difficult as breaking Madness 3 on The Doctor even without Unnerving Presence.

Volfawott

Eninya said:

All addons related to Ambush and box searching are weak, even if you build around them. They always will be due to the roar attached to the attack sequence. In many cases, it's better to simply exit stealth, and the only solid application it has after the initial sneak of the game is to mind-game some pallet loops. I mean, on grassy maps you actually struggle to see in the distance when fog is rendering correctly, so sometimes it's just as big a detriment to try and sneak and be aware of your surroundings.

Rules Set No. 2 is... okay when combined with Tampered Timer. It's not even good with +1 box because the only time seeing boxes matters is when your timer is going anyway. If the timer isn't active, you have as much time as you need (provided you evade the killer) to remove your trap.

I like that Pig's traps are anti-tunnel mechanics (granted, I see 80% of Pigs still tunnel, and often camp, with them), but they're just as limited as they can be useful. I never use the Hemorrhage or Mangled addons because the Exhaustion addon is so much stronger for catching a trapped survivor. Mangled is pointless because they will remove their trap before they're healed if they can, and Hemorrhage is almost universally unnecessary for finding an injured survivor if your audio is configured properly.

Facemask sounded good on paper, but anything not Third Seal isn't good for isolation mechanics because survivor perks beat them. It's a wasted addon slot, and it doesn't blind them from seeing boxes, either. (Ultra rare addon to increase timer, but unable to see box auras, maybe?) The problem is that you need the OTHER survivors blinded--not the one you trapped. It would make a LOT more sense to have Pig's traps prevent aura reading on her target as an addon, or maybe a reworked in feature.

I really like that she promotes even punishment with her traps enabling scenarios in which a survivor is 100% locked out of repairing generators without dying (even if it's built upon RNG). Make Your Choice further cemented this in her design when they built her base perks. However, the traps aren't as directly effective as a Trapper's bear trap is because they don't apply any immediate danger. You're also unable to control the activation of the timer until the end of the match, so if generators stall everyone can remove them at their leisure while you're hunting. This isn't a particularly good situation for Pig, even if she built for tracking.

My favorite addons are:
Tampered Timer - Versatile; always useful

Rules Set No. 2 - Fun, and promotes panic

Jigsaw's Annotated Plan/Sketch - +1 box, even with +30s timer, can waste an immense amount of time

Slow-Release Toxin - Makes for catching survivors easy, and nulls Vigil's broken synergy with Sprint Burst. Great when that last standing survivor is trapped and running around. (I seriously underestimated this addon for a long time.)

If you run Distressing + Unnerving Presence, her box search addons become okay-ish at best, but you're still burning two perk slots with questionable usefulness at best. The Macabre Search skill checks are nowhere near as difficult as breaking Madness 3 on The Doctor even without Unnerving Presence.

What are you talking about the add-ons are related to ambush are probably her best addons.

Also in comparison to third seal face mask is a lot more guaranteed so again I don't know what you're talking about.

Also on the point of pigs tunneling 50% of the time most people who complain that pigs tunnel are the people who run around like headless chickens when they have beer traps and when they run in front of the pig they somehow don't comprehend that they're not immune to being chased.

Even though I agree with your point about distressing and unnerving presence I don't really see what the point of bring it up was when I've already mentioned it in the interlocking razor segment.

Eninya

@Aari_Piggy66 said:
What are you talking about the add-ons are related to ambush are probably her best addons.

Also in comparison to third seal face mask is a lot more guaranteed so again I don't know what you're talking about.

You haven't faced survivors that know how to avoid the Ambush at pallets. It becomes completely nullified by... running away. Most survivors don't bother/know this, but it's incredibly easy to avoid if she resorts to this at a pallet. The miniscule delays the addons shave off of it aren't enough, and they don't fix the issues it already suffers with Sprint Burst making them immune to it if they're running away. Ambush not working against it is a casualty of the attack recognition/hit box design within the game (based on the explanation by McLean).

Also, Facemask is bad because survivor perks trump blindness effects, and the only one they don't is Hex: Third Seal, which is why the Blindness mechanic as a whole is trash outside of it.

Volfawott

Eninya said:

@Aari_Piggy66 said:
What are you talking about the add-ons are related to ambush are probably her best addons.

Also in comparison to third seal face mask is a lot more guaranteed so again I don't know what you're talking about.

You haven't faced survivors that know how to avoid the Ambush at pallets. It becomes completely nullified by... running away. Most survivors don't bother/know this, but it's incredibly easy to avoid if she resorts to this at a pallet. The miniscule delays the addons shave off of it aren't enough, and they don't fix the issues it already suffers with Sprint Burst making them immune to it if they're running away. Ambush not working against it is a casualty of the attack recognition/hit box design within the game (based on the explanation by McLean).

Also, Facemask is bad because survivor perks trump blindness effects, and the only one they don't is Hex: Third Seal, which is why the Blindness mechanic as a whole is trash outside of it.

Y as much as I love her add ons dead effect her bear traps the reason why they're not as effective as the Crouch and ambush add-ons it's because there's so we reliant on rng it's all well and good having tempered timer and slow release toxin however if the survivor gets it off within 30 seconds in their first bear trap you've basically just wasted one of your for bear traps and the add-ons on it were absolutely pointless.

And everytime I mention how bad traps need to be more threatening or difficult to deal with to add more pressure I often get the response that bear traps are not meant to kill.

Which has nothing to do with what I was trying to imply net current state especially on smaller maps survivors can mess about with a trap on their head and not have to worry too much about getting it off.

Hell even when I was playing a survivor search free boxes as the timer hit the halfway limit meaning removing the 12 second takes to search a jigsaw box I had about 1 minute and 3 seconds to do whatever the hell I wanted.

However this post was mainly meant to rate her add-ons not to discuss stuff that she needs to become a better killer but some quick examples would probably be getting rid of the standard skill checks for jigsaw boxes, making ruleset no.2 part of her base kit and changing the add-on,make Huntress and Thanatophobia work on boxes and fix her god damn gear add-on

Blueberry

Her addons effecting her ambush are trash because her crouch/ambush are trash. If they actually fixed her then yeah those “would” be good. The only time her crouch/ambush are effective are if you’re playing against low ranks or just idiots. At rank 1 you almost never use them. Her crouch view needs to be raised and the roar from her ambush removed. Rule set #2 should be baseline, as an ultra rare it’s a joke. Her letter is also debatably bad. If you’re sneaking up on them with it they once again are probably low rank or just bad. They should remove the penalties from Amanda’s letter and even then it’s still meh.

Khroalthemadbomber

Best add-on for her is most certainly rule set 2.

Next up is Tampered Timer and Jigsaw's Anointed Plan. Both work well with Rule Set 2.

Green ones all basically suck. I mean mangled from Rusty Attachments is ALRIGHT.  It could be WORSE but in all honesty is not that powerful. All the others are just jank.

The yellow ones are generally what I use the most. I mean the only one that's bad is the utility wire. Messing with survivor's heads so they don't know when their teammates are coming for them with Face Mask? Awesome. An extra bear trap with Last Will? Yes please. Utility Blades so that survivors bleed even when fully healed. Also awesome. And Video Tape for those crouch plays. 

Seriously out of all her add-ons that aren't common only 7.5 of them are useful. The fact that the uncommons rock out and destroy the vast majority of the rarer ones combined is just kinda sad...