A Killer based on Drug Addiction?

VESSEL
VESSEL Member Posts: 1,068

Honestly, seems like a very hardcore route to take. Perhaps a similar insanity as the doctor but based on substance. I could think of a lot of interestingly named add-ons and perks.

Thoughts?

Comments

  • YaiPa
    YaiPa Member Posts: 1,929

    Clown is kinda based on drug addiction and stop taking care of yourself.

  • VESSEL
    VESSEL Member Posts: 1,068

    "he fell into bad habits. Drinks, junk food, drugs, he indulged in all of them to excess. For a time, these vices were enough, but then his old urges returned and his nomadic existence became a cover for him to resume killing."

    Ahh fair enough

  • VESSEL
    VESSEL Member Posts: 1,068

    Fair points, but to assume that because one video game antagonist is a drug addict that ALL drug addicts are similar is quite a stretch. The devs would be able to cater a backstory that could make the character hated before his descent into substance (again, Sort of like Clown). While it is controversial it does open u an avenue for interesting add-ons, perks, maps etc.

    This is a 18+ game so they definitely have the choice to do something, however PR will probably greatly go against it as more people are more sensitive to things these days (not a jab at anyone, just that empathy is much higher nowadays than it was 20 years ago)

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,222
    edited September 2019

    Dude have you ever seen someone high on crack or PCP or meth? They are indeed dangerous people. Watch Drugs Inc, particularly the PCP episode if you think drug addicts are harmless people.

    Heroin is a serious issue in my home state of NJ. People will shoot up, drive a car, and crash, killing people. Not to mention heroin addicts will lie and steal from anyone, even their own family, to get high. You can't trust them at all. I had a friend that got addicted to heroin and he became very scary to be around. Might not be serial killers, but they will do stupid ######### and get people killed or hurt no doubt. If you hang around a drug addict, it's really only a matter of time before something bad happens to you because of them.

    If someone's an addict, that sucks and they should get help, but that does not mean they are a good person. In fact it's way more likely to be the opposite. Speaking from experience with these people, I have never met a harmless drug addict.

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342
    edited September 2019

    I agree that perhaps they could spin it in a way that doesn't promote damaging stereotypes about drug addicts. I still think, though, that it would be a bit too close to home for a lot of people, a bit like the school shooter killer someone proposed a few weeks ago.

  • LCGaster
    LCGaster Member Posts: 3,154

    A killer about drug addiction could be very interesting in my opinion

    There are many ways to take it

    The drug doesn't have to be something like cocaine, meth, etc.

    The killer could even just be an ex athlete that's addicted to steroids or other performance enhancing drugs

    It a something that happens IRL too

    Steroids can cause someone to become aggressive and violent

  • VESSEL
    VESSEL Member Posts: 1,068

    I think we keep coming back to the Clown lol. Considering he was an athletic individual who said "######### it" and started indulging on junk food and drugs too.

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342

    Never said they were harmless or good people necessarily, but that's very far from premeditatively homocidal. Most of the killers' backstories are very much edge cases. Drug addiction is so common and so tragic, I don't think it would sit right with most people to make it into a game.

  • ApeOfMazor
    ApeOfMazor Member Posts: 471

    But its ok to imply clowns and nurses and doctors are killers? Hillbilly could be offensive to rural folk. It's just a game though, the devs don't mean to offend. I mean I agree with you for the first part and I don't like this idea unless it would be done in some comic book like way where the guy is injecting some sort of super serum drug he is addicted too and transforming or something.

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,222

    "premeditatively homocidal"

    Come over to NJ and walk around Newark or Jersey City for a bit. When a dude jumps you with a knife or gun, he's doing it to get money for drugs.

    That's not even counting the fact that a large chunk of drug addicts in cities like these are gang members. Again, watch Drugs Inc. It will open your eyes.

    Also stop with this sensitivity BS. Everyone's too sensitive about everything these days. God forbid a person with a tragic life story that involves being addicted to drugs is portrayed as a bad person.

    Also also, if someone were to see this character and then generalize all drug addicts as serial killers, I'd say that's the fault of the viewer for not understanding context, not the person who made the character.

  • LCGaster
    LCGaster Member Posts: 3,154

    He was naturally good, he didnt use steroids

    I remember that the Clown used his physical abilities only at school, he never became an athlete

  • LCGaster
    LCGaster Member Posts: 3,154

    We could even make it so that "The Addict" and The Clown are somehow connected, why not? It could be interesting

    "[Insert name] wanted to be the best, he excelled academically and physically, but it wasn't enough, that damn kid, Kenneth Chase. No matter how much he trained he wasn't strong enough, no matter of much he ran he was never fast enough, the natural talent of that basterd was too much for him. [Insert name] went down a slippery slope, he discovered the world of steroids and performance enhancing drugs, he was getting stronger, faster, bigger, he enjoyed it. One day however, the one he aimed to beat disappeared out of nowhere, rage filled [Insert name]'s mind, did he go through all of that for nothing? He tried to stop using the substances, but he couldn't, he needed them, he felt himself become weaker without them, he couldn't get Kenneth out of his mind, he still needed to beat him. He was obsessed, searching everywhere to find Kenneth. While his obsession worsened his grades dropped, while all that became better was his strength. After a while he stopped going to school altogether, people became worried. An old friend of his decided to go check on him, after a while that no one came to open the door he broke in through the window he didn't find [Insert name], all he found was [Insert name]'s mother, her head bashed in by a heavy barbell, and houndreds of newspaper articles. [Insert name] found a pattern, he knew how to find Kenneth Chase"

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342

    I think the difference worth pointing out was that the nurse being a nurse, the doctor being a doctor, the clown being a clown or the hillbilly being a hillbilly was not the driving force behind their killing. In the first three cases, it was just a cover-up for their killing. I think that suggesting that someone would be a killer because they're an addict is a bit different. The hillbilly's story was tragic, he was never a psychopathic serial killer like the others, but he was, again, much more of an edge case than a modern-day drug addict.

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342

    Having a tragic life which drives someone to things like addiction doesn't make them a bad person, and I'm not sure how you could justify such an idea. They might go on to steal or kill or do bad things, but being subjected to tragic circumstances and succumbing to weakness in itself is not an evil act.

    And if by sensitivity you mean empathy for people who are actually struggling with situations like the above, then there's no such thing as too much of that, so no, I won't stop caring about other people.

    As for how people respond to the character in terms of their perception of addicts in general, I already acknowledged that that depends on how the character is portrayed and may not be an issue. But that still doesn't change the problem with trivialising what you yourself have acknowledged as being a widespread and dangerous struggle for many real people.

  • PyroDude
    PyroDude Member Posts: 454

    Amanda, the pig, was drug addicted.

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,222
    edited September 2019

    Being addicted to drugs doesn't make them a bad person. Doing ######### that is wreckless and selfish and harms others just to get their fix is what makes them a bad person. I've dealt with several drug addicts in my life, at some point you have to say enough is enough, and it's on them to change. I don't care how tragic their life was/is, or what excuse they use to justify their actions (that's called enabling), if they knowingly hurting people then they are a bad person.

    Sympathizing for these people will only get you hurt in the long run. Do what you can but don't expect to be Mr. Miracle and fix this person. At the end of the day, they have to fix themselves and being too close to them is dangerous.

    But live in a fantasy world if you want. Just don't be surprised when the person you thought was your friend that you were "just trying to help" stabs you in the back.