Would you rather have gen times slowed down or toolboxes nerfed?

The "gen rush" happens every game you play in a 12 hour session at red ranks

I agree, there should be a objective in the beginning before starting on gens to give the killer time to get set. Depending on how long that start objective last, toolboxes can be used to get back time lost :p

I was also thinking of something. Let's say ever killer has there own event that happens to effect gens. But a event none the less. A random event like skill checks to slow down gen progress. Say crows hate the noise of a gen so they come and peck at you? ( Have to drive them off ) killer pasific events could happen like there is a timer trap on every gen that will snap randomly. Making the surv jump back for a moment? ( Huntress - trapper ) I don't have time to finish this comment but anything good out of this?

Ah well that's not really a good comparison. Killers are all designed differently, where as all survivors have the same objective. Killers powers are balanced individually, Myers instadown is balanced around his power, having instadowns means he is lacking in other areas.

Survivors all have the same objective, it doesn't change depending on what survivor you are playing. When they bring toolboxes into a match, it simply decreases objective time and that's it.

The only partial equivalant to toolboxes that killers have are addons, but they mostly don't affect objective time as much as toolboxes do. There are some that do need nerfing though, like Iridiscent Head.

I would say yes, but it is an ineffective tweak, because changing it like that necessitates revisiting any other regression style perks (Pop, Lullaby, etc.), including the "improved" ruin.

If they made ruin a non-hex, I think it would be just fine. That type of design would result in rewarding players who maintain gen pressure, and killers who maintain gen pressure. Balance. The ability for survivors to remove it because of the hex means it will NEVER be the "late-game perk" that BHVR claims it will be.

Thats true but the usual sweaty rank 1 match usually sees ppl running med kits instead of toolboxes, and the gens are super quick with the standard 80 sec.

since loops make killers waste so much time compared to gens speed its much more optimal to play stealth killers and keep everybody injured and this way medkit help a lot. Not every single game is the same but I see a toolbox in high tier play more unlikely than a medkit.

little off topic semi related: also 3 mins genrush game wouldnt be beneficial for either side. Escaping doesnt mean piping or getting points.

If I had to pick I’d say toolboxes. Gens are already the most boring thing we do as survivors so increasing that time of just holding down a button will probably make survivors not want to play at all. I’d suggest making a secondary objective like maybe after fixing a gen you have to carry a power cable to the door or a power box so that the door can get powered. Just something else to do that would make the game longer. Hex ruin was a secondary objective if you couldn’t power through it.

First off gens don't need to be over but that being said toolboxes Because even a purple only speeds up solo time buy 4 seconds so not even worth bringing

I'd rather have another Objective.

the issue is that gen rush happens even without toolboxes, every swf team can coordinate and repair gens in 2 or 3 people while the killer is in a chase.

I genuinely think you are trying to do the best for the game, and yes, ruin might have needed a rework at some point, but that was not the time imo, the game simply isn't prepared for this, this will just unbalance the game.

My question is, if it will show up (and it Will) to spoil the fun so much, what you will do? leave it like this till there will be a rework at some point in the future?

this worries me because, while you will think of a balance change, many players will grow tired

Screw toolboxes. I only bring them to sabo hooks

I think toolboxes should recieve a change. i made a post about an idea i had for a potential change.

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/118651/toolbox-change-idea#latest

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Why didn't they wright that in the midchapter anouncment? I think the outcry woundn't be so hard if the option of gen time changes in the forseeable future would have been in it

Definitely Gen's need to take one survivor 120 seconds instead of 80 seconds because they fly without ruin and especially after ruin is completely nerfed and useless

I can use Franklin's if I have an issue with toolboxes and it will apply more map pressure, because the survivors have to run around more to get their items back, minus some charges.

But right now, there is nothing I can do against gen times and as the Umbra Clip has shown, it is possible to run straight to the survivors and lose a gen without a chance to contest it.

I rather have a fighting chance, than nerfing items and add-ons.

Nerfing toolboxes wouldn't change anything. They either will still be good enough and be used, or become insignificant, a joke and will be replaced by other items (Medkits, Keys, Flashlights).

So the worst thing the devs could do is nerfing toolboxes.

And then ppl are so toxic camping tunnel tea bagging its sad who aint gonna get mad? And if u say something how u feel ppl cry like a baby and report u so its useless all i know is dbd aint like it use to be started with helping the killer with the end game and now the ruin hex? Whats next ppl? Stop already ur gonna kill the best game that ever been put out stop!

1 small change to the core game play mechanics that I think will help:

Whenever a killer kicks a gen, or a perk causes a gen to begin regressing, it automatically loses 10% of its progress to kick off the regression by default.

For obvious reasons this means that some perks like PGTW will have to be adjusted down from 25% to 15% which gets added onto the default 10% in order to remain balanced. What does this do for the game though? Glad you asked:

1. Lower mobility killers can now hold off a gens completion better, and thus have more stalling power and pressure.
2. No more Tap and Run tactics from survivors attempting to stop a gens regression because that only gives the killers a free pass to knock off another 10%.
3. Encourages survivors to employ more distraction tactics to draw the killer away, instead of looping around a regressing gen.
4. Puts kicking gens on par with failing a skill check.
5. Makes perks like Surge, Dying Light, and Thanatophobia more valuable as tools for stalling gen completion for all killers, as well as become more competitive against the survivors tools and perks that increase gen repair speeds.
6. New Ruin actually earns its Hex Status as an OP but destroyable perk by hitting gens with that 10% drop to kick off the increased 200% regression speed every time a survivor leaves a gen.

A killer attempting to defend a single generator can see it completed in front of them by a team of 2 survivors because no matter how many times they kick it, or how effective they are at pushing survivors off of it, unless survivors don't touch it for 32 seconds, it's not going to lose even 10% of its progress. That's how much time it represents to a killer, 10% = 32 seconds at normal regression speed, whereas a lone survivor without tools to increase their repair rate can fix that 10% loss in only 10 seconds. New Ruin brings killers closer to that by dropping 10% every 16 seconds instead of 32, but its a Hex and won't last to the late game its been redesigned for.

Therein lies the primary flaw in the logic behind Ruin's rework: Its designed to be better in the late game! No killer players ever take a Hex Perk into a trial expecting it to last more than 2 minutes at best. The moment survivors are notified of any Hex perk working against them, they find and destroy it before it can do any major damage. The new Ruin will be treated no differently because not only are they notified of its existence, its also a glowing 1500 BP totem that have a poor history of being hidden well enough to last. I've had games where I've brought in Thrill of the Hunt alone just to see how fast it dies, and like all Hex perks, it hardly ever lasts more than 2 minutes. Survivors are never going to see a Hex totem and then Choose to let it stay active until they feel they need to cleanse it... if its lit, it dies.

In Ruins new state, the 200% regression speed is still nowhere near to being on par with how fast survivors can repair generators, much less when they have Cooperative actions, Toolboxes, Add-ons and Perks that increase their repair rates dramatically. Keeping pressure on generators is always a losing battle for the killer because unless they are downing/hooking every survivor they encounter and getting back to the generators to keep them regressing, every 20-25 seconds, there's no way the average killer can compete against the survivors repair speed, even with all the right tools.

By having generators begin regression with an immediate 10% loss, all killers get a better chance at applying adequate pressure in early, mid, and late game. Sure it only buys them 10 seconds or less on a generator that's near completion, but the killers experience is always a struggle against time, and that 10 seconds may be all the leniency a killer needs to turn a game around.

you got a lot cooler with that post

Toolboxes need to be nerfed, and maps need to be fixed. The 80 seconds are fine, all we need is buffs for the bad killers

Well, devs probably won't notice if toolboxes are fun to play against as they don't really hinder new players and they didn't identify any issues with them.

Toolboxes should give you more points and bigger skillchecks only.

Great skillchecks shouldn't give ANY bonus progress on the gen and instead reward the player with more BP's then now.

Also, gen being worked on by many people should be fixed in 44 seconds but in around 60~. Survivors already gain double or triple BP's for coop action, there is no need to remove the time from killers matches.

Now that wishes are done let's wait and see them do nothing to gen speeds and toolboxes.

Yes.

Gen times slowed down