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Default plague is so much worse than default clown...
So i know alot of people bash clown for being the worst killer, but recently iv been playing each killer perkless and add-onless (yeah i dunno why either) but in doing so i have gained a good understanding on which killers are stronger by default and which are not. so plague is actually very weak on alot of maps due to good survivors being able to use walls etc. to avoid getting hit by your puke/most of your puke, this of course isnt a big deal with the add-ons that increase its effectiveness but without it? well you might as well just smack them and be done with it. clown however his default bottles are decent, they can shorten loops and allow you to catch up in spots you normally wouldnt making him stronger by default however when we introduce add-ons plague gets alot stronger and the clown slightly stronger, but then when using perks plague takes the lead. So do we test viable as default or with changes? either way leather face needs slightly reduced charge time and slightly increased acceleration by default and he`d be decent.
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i can heavily relate to what you just said, just yesterday i have been playing plague with black incense and the very rare add on that increases puke effectiveness (i forgot what it was called) and i have been getting 3 to 4 kills every round, and i honestly felt bad and decided to play her without add ons, and my god it was a day and night difference, her power was way too weak and the puking took forever to injure them, and i was playing on blood lodge so not a lot of LOS breakers, and i still barely hit ppl with the puke. and if i was playing on an indoor map without add ons then god i don't know what would've happened to my brain cells
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i think this is the reason i dont enjoy playing her as much as other killers, knowing each game i have to put 8k or more BP into add-ons each match so shes more playable just to get a short return because of how difficult it can be to pip/gain BP back. which is a shame because she can have a good build going for her, but i also dont wanna splash out on a killer just to play them
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yea she is worse when default but clown doesn't get much better even when using good addons. At his best he has an insta down and survivors are exhausted or slightly slowed even more. At plagues best she always knows where survivors are, can instantly make them broken which is basically insta down mode and it makes them easier to find. Also if survivors cleanse she is immediately better than clown, her power and addons simply are more versatile when compared to clowns power.
lastly who in their right mind would play either of these killers perk-less or addon-less, thats just asking to get rekt by survivors.
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I highly disagree, default plague only takes more time to have everyone one shot or insta down madness
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Going by your first sentence and me barely playing either of those Killers, i'm actually more interested in your judgment on all of them.
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Oh yeah and I forgot to mention, I played a ton of Clown with no addons and he literally counters himself without addons that reduce his slowdown
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Im trying to compare killers by their default status, having to use strong add-ons to make them playable seems like an odd way to go, but then those killers who are stronger without add-ons their add-ons then to be more lack luster. so with perks and add-ons the plague does beat the clown, but thats due to add-ons. its hard to judge due to so many variables in the game. i guess im just curious on how most people judge who is stronger than who, i tend to judge it on a mixture of completely default and when theyre all kitted out and what it takes to make them strong
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Slowing Survivors by a miniscule amount vs. having them broken or having the most powerful ability in the game if they cleanse is a no-brainer.
Base Plauge is vastly superior to base Clown. It's not even a comparison.
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Wraith is another add on dependent killer. I think that’s the reason this group is considered weak compared to the other killers.
There isn’t much reason to ever play without add ons though.
I have been playing Plague lately and I think her cooldown addons are her best out of the non-iridescents.
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and on maps where its so easy to avoid the puke? let alone the time taken to get them broken? dont get me wrong when plague is built up shes strong, but the time it takes to break someone who can loop times is long. the clown shortens loops and can even stop you getting to them, but if clown say had the same strength add-ons he could be just as strong and thats where he lacks the most.
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Clown legit has no power without add-ons. I take default Plague over Clown with perks and add-ons IMO. And Plague is good even with just yellow and green add-ons. And you usually are gonna use these types of add-ons on every killer.
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i dont feel he is as dependent as some of the others, while they do help him you can gain bonus movement speed and 0 terror radius while clocked catching and injuring alot offguard, but he is more of a killer focused on 4v1 not 1v1
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his bottles do still do work, and yeah clowns add-ons are great at all tbh and thats why plague ends up being better. my main issue with add-ons is the cost, sure you say average game is yellow and green which is 9k BP which isnt much but when you look into the amount of BP used to obtain those add-ons you use then it becomes more of an issue, im sure we all have our favorite add-ons and ones we hate and never use, but you still need to buy the ones you hate to get to the ones you like and doing this for all killers gets very costly indeed. i guess this is why im so for the ability to sell items/add-ons at reduced BP
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Do you use your puke at long range or something? Use it when you're breathing down the Survivor's neck. It's not that hard.
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i guess i go against more adept survivors that know to loop or block the line of sight from your puke, with add-ons its easy, without its far more time consuming. but you sound like someone who cant have a discussion and think their opinion is flawless and not up for debate... thats not what im looking for in this post, more of a discussion and reasoning than "no youre bad, my opinions right"
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missed this comment, by all means ask away i have played at rank 1 since console release and do own every killer and perk so iv had time to analyse alot of things considering the amount of variables in game
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Well mainly, tell me about your Wraith experience.
listens in excitement as Wraith main
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No, his bottles are legit useless without add-ons, because he slows himself down after throwing a bottle, which cancels the slow from his bottles. So the hits you got with your bottles, you would've got them anyway. Also, his base reload time is awful and he has nothing else to help him outside of a chase. I really don't see how Plague could be more add-on reliant than him.
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haha that last part got me, well from my experience he`s an underrated killer and is one i find fun to play as. By default by no means is he the strongest but he has alot of promise, his increased speed and 0 terror radius while cloaked is amazing, it allows for better map control and easy scouting with survivors having little information on position, direction and range. i see alot of people say "spinechill counter" but straight of the bat using a perk to gain small info which a normal terror radius killer gives you isnt bad and most other killers have counters similar so i avoid that argument. his ability to hit and run makes him very deadly in the right hands making him a good killer, although his add-ons arent the strongest of all killers they make him a bigger threat whether that be by increasing his map control or masking his location even more, and by my standards he`s a good killer and can succeed on all maps unlike some others that can struggle
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No need to resort to insults. It was a genuine question. The way I played her (At rank 1 might I add) she does just like any other mid tier killer.
Clown, however, has no power in red ranks. People just run through his gas. It does nothing.
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sigh, his bottles by default reduce survivor movement speed by 15% they also stop fast vault at windows. my point being is at default no add-on plagues puke is weak, any decent survivor will make it a chore to hit them whether youre breathing down their neck or not, and even after all that hassle you have injured them and then your power is useless. clown can still use his, im saying clown at base default no perks or add-ons seems better, theres almost no need to waste time puking with her default. as for add-ons clown has only very few good add-on unlike the plague and plague gains bonus strength from the broken effect but mainly when paired with perks. and you havent asked a question, iv said why i think her default is bad and your only reply has been its not hard, clowns bottles are pointless... no argument, evidence or even a decent example thats why i havent replied to you. we can all use add-ons to make killers good and plague gains a huge power increase by using them unlike the clown which his best ones is probably reduces survivor movement speed even longer and effects lasts even longer. you also never read into the question i asked in this post which was "So do we test viable as default or with changes?" and "i guess im just curious on how most people judge who is stronger than who"
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That is a very common mistake, you dont use bottles chase survivors but to cancel loops
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"That's why I don't respond"
You just did.
The slowdown from Clown's bottles are not significant enough to make a difference. Skilled Survivors usually just run right through it and are just fine. Being broken the entire match, however, cuts down chase times tremendously. Half the hits in half the time.
Also, paragraph breaks, man. You should try them.
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If you don't mind. Can you record yourself playing as both characters?
Would help the "you're bad at X" argument to see if you play optimally or not.
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We dont have perkless mode, so this is near meaningless.
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