Billy is not balanced. Please change my mind.

It doesn't lack counterplay. If you genuinely think that, you are seriously unskilled as a survivor. Even instasaw has easy counterplay. Either get to a loop and make his power useless, or juke him when he saws and make his power useless. In both cases, he's an m1 killer with a useless power. Where else have we seen that?

Pretty much every single other ######### killer. Cause the Devs love to pretend like they give a ######### about killer and give them cool sounding powers, and then make them useless before they're released.

Recognize the double standard.

If you legitimately have issues with Billy then you don't have skill with survivor. Anyone with any skill in survivor all agree that Billy has a seriously underwhelming power that is only useful for mobility, and then ######### him at loops because of his slow movement speed.

Recognize the double standard.

Looking at your post history, you speak purely from your own experience quite regularly, and play it off as iron clad fact a lot of the time. Why is it unfounded when someone else does it?

And for the record, at red ranks, I barely see any Billy's either.

You called someone else's claims based on their personal experience unfounded. I merely, politely mentioned that you've done the same thing on numerous occasions. You didn't like that, and took it as an attack. That about sums it up.

In any case, we should get back on topic. :)

The hitbox isn't even that big, though. Most of that is desync. Sometimes the saw will be close enough to shake the hair on their back and it still won't count as a hit. Other times the saw will count as a hit from 25 feet through a window. Desync man, not the hitbox:P

Billys snowball is too powerful though. Spirit can win a chase but she still has to hit people twice.

Survivors can be dominating but once Billy gets one survivor down, then sprints across and instadowns another all within 10 seconds the game drastically shifts.

I’ve played thousands of games and Billy is the one that can wreck a team the fastest out of all the killers. Nurse theoretically could but it was rare you would ever see a player do that.

Say its bad teammates all you want but it has been pretty consistent so they can’t all be bad players. Also these Billys when they chase me I notice they are not exceptional players at all and normally mediocre.

Billy is too strong for how easy he is to use. That’s all their is too it. People say Spirit is easy to use but thats not the case thats why low rank Spirits resort to camping the hook. They don’t have the confidence to use her power in a chase because they always miss survivors as they don’t have the experience to predict survivor movements. As she is 110% speed then killers can’t just cheese the chase through luck as shes too slow.

Stronger killers should have a higher skill requirement like Huntress, Nurse and Spirit all do.

Billy does not have this. While a good player is obviously noticeably different to a new Billy player the fact is that Billy is a character where anyone can pick him up and still do well. God help you if you get low ranks on your team. I remember every rank reset Billy was the one you had to watch out for because if the survivors weren’t expert loopers they were all going down within 10 seconds of each other. I’ve always noticed that with Billy the survivors skill always needs to greatly exceed the Billys skill to win, which goes back to my original point of that he’s too strong in relation to how easy he is to use.

Do you see how easy it is though? To just make that argument “only _____ players struggle to do this”.

When survivors go down to Billy they’re bad survivors but when Billy doesn’t get someone down its “billys balanced”, its never a bad Billy.

Its the opposite problem of what went on with Spirit. Where survivors going down = spirit OP, but Spirit being run around for multiple gens = bad Spirit. Basically people will use anything to justify their pre-existing beliefs.

Just because it’s theoretically possible to loop him doesn’t mean it’s always going to happen.

It’s theoretically possible to loop almost all of the killers in the game all game yet that doesn’t happen. Nobody is going into game after game and looping a killer for 5 gens everytime. There’s no excuse to go down to Leatherface but hes been getting kills since day 1. You’re basically putting this standard on survivors that they need to play perfectly every second of every game and then you’re taking the killers ability to mindgame and predict out of the equation as well.

Oh ok so if a really good Billy player like OhTofu or Battleguy downed me at a loop by being good at flicking with Billy it means I'm a bad survivor?

Thanks for the tips my guy 😁

Because this is petty? Its basically “1v1 me dude”

Seriously?

Why put the expectation on survivors that they need to play perfectly and make zero mistakes?

I swear most of my pips as a survivor have been against billy. You have to know how to play him. People don’t patrol with him either which results in quick unhooks and heals for emblems.

game flow On average can be really good for both billy and all survivors as long as everyone knows what they’re doing. Sometimes billy gets the edge and sometimes survivors get the edge.

people who complain about billy just aren’t good enough at this game yet.