To the Killer mains and others alike.

Nurse and spirit didn't have the highest killrate. Freddy had. Redrank nurses only were even higher. Nurses addons did nothing to that. There were OP addons, but most red rank nurses claim to play addonless and perkless. At least addonless, because they mostly just shake up muscle memory.

About the pick rate of Ruin and DS: there is no stats about DS usage, so just your assumption. From my side, you see more likely 3 of 4 survivors running DS than no one. Can barely remember games without an obsession to be honest, that is maybe 1 in 15 games. Also, when there are other changes to come regarding gen times and whatever: they should come in the same patch. Are we supposed to play these 5 minute games until the next chapter? I'd rather stop playing for 3 months then.

Agree on the point that many react quite respectless on many things the devs and mods respond here in the forum. Regardless of that, the cause of this anger has a reason, like adressing survivor frustration in the latest patch but not killer frustration in any way.

And totally agree on the last three short paragraphs. The oreo one as well, but I like them in my McDonalds icecream most.

Well I would still say Devs seems atleast to be survivor bias. Why? Here are examples

D strike "Nerf" wasnt a nerf, it is still one of the best perks in the game and one of the biggest crutch perks. The argument with "slugging" is not valid because survivors can just jump into a locker.

Borrow nerf was not enough, is still one of the strongest meta perks and have almost no downsides to survivors.

Insta heal nerf was atleast one of the nerfs that were good and now insta heals are really healthy for the game with counterplay, I love the insta heals now!

Badham rework? The map is more fair but the broken fence spawns are STILL there and there are 6 save pallets on the map without any counterplay or mindgame, they should not be in the map but they still are. The big school fence loop is still really strong if you know how to loop it.

Balanced Landing nerf was totally necassary because it created infinits. Now it is still totally usable and the 100% noice reductionis pretty neat.

Thanks for making my day, great answer.

Additionally, after 3 k hours, i jsut can confirm, i cant remember a game without at least one DS. And the funny thing bout this perk - this one DS is enough to play around for everyone in the team, cause u cant be sure, who equipped it. So, in my opinion the strongest perk in the game, and also able to slow the game. Not just a little bit ^^.

Range addons of the Nurse were broken, everyone agreed. Fixing this would have been so easy, just get rid of the green one (Ataxic) and make the yellow one rare. Nurse fixed. As the devs mentioned, they are jsut reworking the addons, and maybe, just maybe, they slightly adadpt her base-power, it was clear this is going to be a big bs. Now, nurse is stressfull and no fun at all to play. I still manage to get my 4k´s , but i have to play sweaty, and i always enjoyed not to do so, when picking Sally.

Ruin was ever menat as a bandaid. Usually, bandaids are used when u r injured. The injury of this game are huge maps with more than 9 k m², and the lack of being able to pressure gens during the early game, cause of the dimension of most maps. Why are The Game and Lerys the maps with the highest favor for killers, even if The Game has so many absolutly safe pallys? They are small maps, so u can pressure gens. Running from one side to the other at Red Forest is just annoying as hell, and the gen u r trying to protect is almost done. And i havent talked bout stupid RNG, eg Thompson House, jungle gym into jungle gym into cow tree into jungly gym into shack. Eeehm, yeah. Have fun by ignoring almost the half of the map... Or stupid long loops, as "Ironworks of Infinity" or such stupid map designs.

So, getting rid of the bandaid, but not "curing" the desease is the reason, why killer are crying out. The maps are bs since years, than came the bandaid, now the bandaid is gone. And the reason is, to monitor how the game´s like without ruin, to make conclusions? Sorry, but #########?! I dont need to shoot myself in the leg to know, a shotwound will hurt.

An open letter addressed to another player group, telling the other group to chill and just keep playing the game, while also insulting them.

No words.

Agreed, as long as survivors have fun that's all that matters.

Because SWF on comms with OoO isn't broken at all.

GG

Nah, I can assure you the incompetency claims are less about being rude, and more about hitting things on the nose. There have been glaring issues with core mechanics for years now that the devs refuse to address, but take credit for "solving" by introducing band aid perks that are often required things to run, or so bad that they never make it into builds (Looking at Ruin, Blood Echoes, Small Game, STBFL, PWYF, DH, and quite honestly more perks than I care to name).

People gave plenty of feedback including HARD NUMBERS behind why gutting ruin was a terrible change and why totem perks can't be balanced to have end game effects. Ignoring that and then trying to say "we listen to our community" means they listen to yes men, and not actual criticism based in hard numbers. Add that onto the insult that is balancing the game for people (survivors) who are new and refuse to actually learn mechanics, and it's basically the devs flipping the middle finger to the killer population telling them they don't matter.

When people mention the survivor v killer nerf list, they're actually correct about killers receiving the more substantial nerfs, as the only survivor perk to be nerfed anywhere near as hard as a killer perk was Mettle of Man, something that never should have made it into the game. Every other nerf has been a joke. BT still gets you a free guaranteed self unhook to synergize with other perks that require safe unhooks. DS flat out got a buff to be a 60 second safety bubble that gets abused by people who got unhooked for BT hook rushing, completely destroying any claim people make about it being an anti tunnel perk. You can argue SC is gutted, but it really isn't, it just requires more thought on how to use it to get out of troubling situations against some killers, (looking at you legion). Every other significant survivor nerf hasn't really impacted their ability to 1v1 a killer for the entirety of a game. Hell even the BL nerf still lets you create a quasi infinite that lasts for 6 and a half minutes on the game, while creating an absolutely insane amount of time wasting potential on hawkins, turning some pallets into god pallets and questionable windows into massive time sinks.

In regards to gens, the devs have had 3 almost 4 years now to come up with a new system, but either can't or won't. If you look at the putrid serum event, it's incredibly obvious that a second objective made the game much more healthy in terms of killer v survivor interaction, but those events are gone now, replaced with a battlepass system nobody asked for, which is a different discussion altogether. If they were truly serious about the gen time issues, there would've been a fix pushed live along with the ruin gut, which if enough thought was put into it, would've resulted in a lot of killers praising the devs for actually making a healthy change, instead they gutted it and proceeded to lie or make excuses as to why it needed to be gutted saying they need to rely on statistics they've admitted in the past to be unreliable and worthless, which loops back to the claims of incompetence.

To close it off, the devs aren't being witch hunted, they're being grilled for not only incompetence, but surrounding themselves with yes men moderators and CMs, while ignoring glaring issues at the core until new survivors come along and complain about it, while giving killers and other vets overall the finger when it comes to feedback.

When Ruin was nerfed, hysterical killer mains fail to see what the future may hold and completely dismissed logical thought that changes to GENS or MAPS or how survivors INTERACT with gens would be introduced in due time.

You don't nerf something and THEN look into why it was being used so often. You look at the underlying condition and fix the root cause, and then buff/nerf as needed. They made the decision and didn't listen to any feedback on it, even from the test server. They didn't even include the Ruin change in the survey from the test server.

Also, they have had amble time to come out and say that they were looking at the underlying problem. They haven't even acknowledged it's existence. What I saw in their responses to negative feedback was just telling killers they need to play better. A pretty one sided view from the people that are supposed to be providing balance.

You seem to think that the devs are infallible, and do everything with a big picture plan. You seem to think that there is something deeper lying behind this poorly thought out band-aid fix. Frankly, i would like to think that too, but their lack of a proper response to the situation, to alleviate the ongoing toxicity, gives me little faith that that will be the case. If they even acknowledged the issue, that would be a step in the right direction, but instead they have only made things worse with their one-sided responses. They should have been mediating this back and forth toxicity, but instead they chose a side.

I have seen too many games fail because of this lack of understanding and proper communication. I no longer have that kind of blind faith in developers that you have.