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What did i do wrong???
Just played a match against freddy, he had all the best add ons and was red rank. Definitely didn't wanna dance around with this guy he ment business. But at the same time he face camped decently and i had borrowed time i rescued from the hook 4 times that match and he immediately down those survivors every time and i got hate messages from all 3 survivors, so what the hell is up what do i not know about?
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If you are asleep, you are affected by the Oblivious Status Effect. This means that Perks related to the Killers Terror Radius are not working as intended, this includes Borrowed Time.
Yes, it is dumb that Freddy can bypass BT with that Mechanic.
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Agree but that makes Freddy kinda unique, you have to watchout to unhook well and not just run braindead with borrow to the save. What I dont like about the current survivor meta, most of the survivors just dont care about planning or thoughts how to unhook, they just run braindead to the save and succeed with that, and that sucks.
Same goes to hag, she will always teleport back after you saved, borrow will not work there too, you have to unhook smart. It is annoying I agree but definatly not op or broken.
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I disagree on that one. BT should be a reliable tool against Campers. Sure there are some people that abuse it by hook-rushing, but I dont have that many of them in my teams so far. And I highly doubt that my matches are the odd case and other matches are the normal case.
I know that Killers want some tool to tunnel a Survivor out of the Match ASAP, because this is the best way to win a match. Turn it into a 3v1 early and the dumbest Killer on the Planet can basically win (not to offend anyone here, but the game is not balanced around a 3v1, this is why Moris are so strong).
And sometimes you simply have to do the save, even if the Killer is camping, because then the Survivor at least has a chance. I prefer to get farmed without BT before reaching second stage than just staying on the Hook until I am in Struggle Phase already. And myself, I try to do my Unhooks as safe as possible, but I have BT as a backup plan.
But the way how Freddy works makes it hard to unhook safely, even if the Survivor is awake, because Freddy can put Survivors into Sleep by just hitting them (which is also a mechanic I dont like that much, but it is needed to keep him in the strong spot he currently is). At least they changed BT so that it is not bound to the TR anymore, which makes it at least functional when the Unhooked person actually got BT. Before that it was like old Borrowed Time and there is nothing fun or skillful in just following a Survivor for 15 seconds until he goes down.
(Not that I think that BT needed that Buff, but it is a nice side effect. Personally I would like to have BT work like it does right now, but not with Deep Wounds so that changes can actually made to Deep Wound without buffing BT, but that is a different topic)
Regarding Hag, at least you can have some form of Counter by crouching (except for Mint Rag, obviously).
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I know what you mean but in the other hand, borrow offers alot of free escapes. I had once for a example a match where I hooked one in the basement, and 2 survivors were rushing into before I could go out and I grabbed them one by one. So 3 survivors in the basement, the 4th just rush in aswell and got lucky that I didnt grab him, all 4 came out of the basement and I got "outplayed" without any counterplay. They ended up genrushing and immersing and 3 escaped.
In this example I didnt wanted to camp or tunnel but they were soo agressevly rushing to the basement before I could even leave the shack and with this braindead plays they STILL succeeded with that. Thats not how the game should work xD. I still agree that borrow itself has a good reason as a perk and I love that perk as survivor. But if a survivor get hooked near to a gate and you are not a stealth killer or freddy, it will be a 100% escape with borrow, the killer cant do anything unless you get a lucky grab and mostly (atleast for me) you will never grab. In that scenarios Borrow is a crutch perk as hell and should not reward bad unhooks like that.
I hope I dont seem that much as a entitled killer main now xDD
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How dare a killer ignore a overused survivor perk. Not fair at all. >:(
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Like bt needs to be buffed even further "oh lets make it instead if its within a certain range of the killer and screw over stealth killers and make bt even more of a mustpick" im sorry but bt needs some counter it cant be good in every scenario.
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im all for unique mechanics....but the wraith can already do that.
And freddy's boring rework does not need even more power, there is a reason he is the top killer suddenly.
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I don't get it...you think BT is op because you let a survivor unhook 3 times? I'm not really following.
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The thing is, a camping Killer is a camping Killer. In fact, Stealth Killers at least need to use their ability (not that this is fair either), but Freddy just needs to be there. And it was a buff which was not really necessary, Freddy is already very strong and in a good spot (even tho I hate to go against him, because I dislike his mechanics, but overall I feel his powerlevel is spot-on).
What you describe is the only thing I would consider a problem with Perks like BT or DS. That they work in Endgame. But, there is not really a way of changing that, except those get disabled during EGC. Which can be done by the Killer, but Killers are already complaining about 99ing the Gates instead of just opening them on their own.
But the current interaction with Freddy is more a design flaw than a feature that should be in the game. (In general, I am not happy with all that Oblivious and Undetectable Stuff, even tho it should be consistent... But especially Freddy should not counter BT and should also not be seen by Object of Obsession the whole time, even tho this is a beneficial Trade-Off, since OoO is not as common as BT).
And nah, dont worry. I consider everyone who does not share my opinion as a biased Killer Main :P /s
I mean, if this Wraith is cloaked or not - he is camping. Same for Ghostface in Stealth or Pig while crouched. And BT should work against camping Killers, soo....
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Or maybe dont unhook when the killer is right there? Genrush.
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God what is with so many survivors refusing to learn more of the game than just "i JuSt HoLd M1 On GeNeRaToR, aNd RuN tO sAfE lOoPs HuRr DuRr". When you face Freddy his biggest counter - is waking tf up. He's called the DREAM DEMON for a reason. Literally nothing works in your favor when you are asleep! Don't go for unsafe hooks when you are asleep! Nothing works! You're Asleep! Here let me go ask Dan to make me a sandwhich, he's taking a nap right now. Oh would you look at that, dude didn't even budge. I wonder why. IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE HE IS ASLEEP.
You easily would have countered the face camping Freddy if you just went to your clock, got it, and then went for the unhook. Alternatively, you could just wake up from your clock, and gen rush at that point. What is Freddy going to do to stop you? Nothing. He's face camping.
Kicks trashcan over. Honestly we need to have a ranking system for forums at this point.
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As other people have said, you need to wake yourself up before unhooking someone with Freddie. You were basically hook farming survivors so I'm not surprised they weren't pleased. And remember if he hits you, you fall asleep again. So if he hits you before unhooking, BT won't work.
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Oh yeah, waking up helps a lot - except that once you got hit you are asleep again. So dont try to act smart like "jUsT wAkE uP", when this can easily be undone by just hitting the Survivor. And unsafe BT Rescues usually only result in Hook Trading, because the Killer will get in a Hit before the Unhook.
Nothing wrong with that Mechanic that Freddy puts Survivors to sleep by hitting them btw., but it does not help at all to be awake when Freddy can change it while camping Hooks.
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All that mechanic does is promote proxy camping and tunneling. I think BT should be tied to distance from hook and not terror radius.
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The rest of my post still applies. Which is - by the way - how you deal with camping. Do you always pik at only a portion of a post to reply to or?
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Well yeah, because nurse and spirit got the axe.
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Your whole post goes about just going to the clock to wake up...
And I dont think that a design flaw should be something which should change anyones playstyle.
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It's not a design flaw, it's entirely intended. God forbid survivors have another objective than to hold m1 on generators.
- Remove Head Traps
- Avoid Floor Triangles
- Avoid Bear Traps
- Stop being sick without giving Killer more power
- Mend before that yellow bar runs out
- etc, etc, etc
I don't have any issues against Freddy, but that's probably because I also play him so I know how to counter him easily. Take the time to actually learn to counter the killer that the majority of good players find balanced - then to try and say it's broken. It looks bad on you.
To be honest the best solution isn't even with Freddy at all, it's with the perk Borrowed Time. This dude has the best idea.
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I never said it was op, I never mentioned there is no counterplay. I said it is a crutch perk and can give alot of free escapes.
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Alright np, I agree with you. It would be a great change to disable these perks in EGC. I would like to open a gate by myself but most of the games they are waaay to far away, I would lose all my pressure by standing at the hook, or patrouling around slugged survivors. In the EGC you have mostly other things to do than opening a gate.
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Maybe not, but camping shouldn't be an acceptable way to play, and stealth killers shouldn't be able to exploit those abilities to stop a save, it's also why I think insidious should go away entirely. It is only a camping perk
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