Can a dev answer? What is happening with the DS nerf?
I'm really pissed that the devs are dodging this question. Everyone knows this perk is cancer. Everyone. It was supposed to get nerfed back in June when Clown dropped and we're approaching September and there's still no nerf and they don't talk about it now.
No nothing from the devs.
Why not launch the nerf via hotfix instead of making us wait for months for this desperately necessary nerf? Say what you want about other bad design aspects of the game like bad map design, gens get done too quickly, Ruin is mandatory, but holy christ this one thing should have been fixed ages ago and we're still waiting for this fix for seemingly no reason.
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DS nerf has been a very lengthy work in progress. Be patient. They want to do it right.
I say scrap it all together and release a new perk. A perk like that, that has been in the game for as long as it has, is confusing.
Also, I don't see* it being as common anymore though. Must just be me.
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Based off today stream they are not mentioning anything because they want it to be a surprised, maybe ds will be a part of it. And the ptb is going to be this upcoming Tuesday so that is not too far away.Lead_Cenobite said:@Brady said:
DS nerf has been a very lengthy work in progress. Be patient. They want to do it right.I say scrap it all together and release a new perk. A perk like that, that has been in the game for as long as it has, is confusing.
Also, I don't need it being as common anymore though. Must just be me.
I want them to say something regarding the status of the DS nerf at this point. That's all I want. Do we have to wait until the PTB? Do we have to wait until the new Killer drops? Do we have to wait another month or two for the mid-chapter patch? ######### is going on? Throw me a bone.
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we will see on the ptb it will probably stun the killer in place for 2 seconds like they wanted
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In the stream mclean told us "we don't have the animation for change ds" so i think nothing will change in the next chapter yet0
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I don't deal with it as much and play at high ranks. You can juggle them if they have it. Also frozen in place for a flashlight save sounds worse. Get blinded on top of stun you lost 5-6 seconds combined. Becareful. What you wish for.4
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@Lead_Cenobite said:
I'm really pissed that the devs are dodging this question. Everyone knows this perk is cancer. Everyone. It was supposed to get nerfed back in June when Clown dropped and we're approaching September and there's still no nerf and they don't talk about it now.No nothing from the devs.
Why not launch the nerf via hotfix instead of making us wait for months for this desperately necessary nerf? Say what you want about other bad design aspects of the game like bad map design, gens get done too quickly, Ruin is mandatory, but holy christ this one thing should have been fixed ages ago and we're still waiting for this fix for seemingly no reason.
my guess they dropped the nerf just like they dropped the closing of the hatch
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Didn’t they say something about ds can be used at will only once at the cost to have a no mither affect0
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@Fres0c0 said:
Didn’t they say something about ds can be used at will only once at the cost to have a no mither affectThat was one of the suggested changes back before the first rebalance updates. They thought DS should be a simple button, instead of a skillcheck, and that after being used you would be in an Injured state for the rest of the match. But the idea was so... yeah... it didnt make it far. Not even to the PTB.
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@fcc2014 said:
I don't deal with it as much and play at high ranks. You can juggle them if they have it. Also frozen in place for a flashlight save sounds worse. Get blinded on top of stun you lost 5-6 seconds combined. Becareful. What you wish for.I'm pretty sure you'll be able to move your head around, meaning you can avoid a flashlight save. You just can't walk anywhere.
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They want to encourage DS to come with drawbacks with using it, but to also encourage using it sooner. The original suggestion was to have the person injured, and others suggested permanent Exhaustion. The problem with that was saving DS for as late as possible, where it's the most effective at saving you/letting you escape. Say you down someone near the exit gates/the gates are opened, but it's someone with DS. At this point, you're completely vulnerable to body blocks and them getting DS, and subsequently still body blocking hits if you don't have NOED. The person gets off your shoulder and bolts for the exit gate. Even with a permanent exhaustion, body blocks are still very likely to save this person and have everyone else still escape if you're not Nurse or Hillbilly, or Huntress. Maybe Clown would do fine, due to his poison slowing you to AFK. But everyone else gets completely screwed, and there's nothing they can do in situations like this, which are all too common for DS. You can slug, but if it's too close to the gate they'll crawl out. You can't do anything in this situation to secure another kill.
Personally, I don't run into DS much anymore as a killer, but I haven't been pushing killer to red ranks much. I usually play with newbie friends in SWF, and sprinkle in occasional killer matches, so I'm usually only back in purples by rank reset (especially since I also play other games).
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It was never going to launch alongside the clown. The nerf you're talking about wasn't even announced until after the Curtain Call DLC was released, it was only shown for the first time in the stream afterwards. The change, as it was announced at the time, would not be in the upcoming PTB (mid-chapter patch) due to time constraints. It is still planned to happen in the future.
Everything's still right on track from when it was first discussed, basically.
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I don't deal with it as much and play at high ranks. You can juggle them if they have it. Also frozen in place for a flashlight save sounds worse. Get blinded on top of stun you lost 5-6 seconds combined. Becareful. What you wish for.Face a wall. You'd still have full control from the time you pick them up to the time where they hit the skill check. Even if they're in the open, you could easily walk over to a tree or something to prevent a blind. Best case scenario they buy themselves a few extra seconds of wiggling.
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Just to put it out there, but past experiences has shown that when they say they're going to rework something, it might not be a complete rework but it might just be just a few tweaks, it might only be a few value changes.
It's even possible they don't know how to rework it properly so it will be a good and balanced perk, so it's certainly possible that they've steered away from nerfing or reworking it.1 -
@Lead_Cenobite said:
I'm really pissed that the devs are dodging this question. "Everyone knows this perk is cancer."Everyone?
Speak for yourself. Playing killer 80% of the time, I completely disagree. You can counter it, learn how to deal with it, or simply eat it (you know it can be used only one time, right?) instead of complaining.
God some killers and survivors are such spoilt, useless kids, wanting everything made easy for them.3 -
@George_Soros said:
Everyone?
Speak for yourself. Playing killer 80% of the time, I completely disagree. You can counter it, learn how to deal with it, or simply eat it (you know it can be used only one time, right?) instead of complaining.
God some killers and survivors are such spoilt, useless kids, wanting everything made easy for them.I run Knock Out simply because of DS.
Doesn't work all the time, but at least slugging the obsession can buy me some time.
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@George_Soros said:
Everyone?
Speak for yourself. Playing killer 80% of the time, I completely disagree. You can counter it, learn how to deal with it, or simply eat it (you know it can be used only one time, right?) instead of complaining.
God some killers and survivors are such spoilt, useless kids, wanting everything made easy for them.That's the exact definition of the usual scrubvivor main.
Only this kind of peoples would defend this s***t.
A cancer perk made for cancer people, period.
Disagree ? You're one of them.
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Giche said:
That's the exact definition of the usual scrubvivor main.
Only this kind of peoples would defend this s***t.
A cancer perk made for cancer people, period.
Disagree ? You're one of them.
Whoa. Not giving a lot of leeway, are you? Look, for me, any survivor who DS-d me is just more delicious when I finally hook them. The problem with you weakling killers and weakling survivors is that you don't appreciate difficulty. Just want everything to fall in your lap, easy, free, effortless.
And btw, by "weakling" I don't even mean bad players - I'm quite mediocre myself. Just weak people, who always cry foul when things don't go their way, instead of trying harder.
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@George_Soros said:
@Lead_Cenobite said:
I'm really pissed that the devs are dodging this question. "Everyone knows this perk is cancer."Everyone?
Speak for yourself. Playing killer 80% of the time, I completely disagree. You can counter it, learn how to deal with it, or simply eat it (you know it can be used only one time, right?) instead of complaining.
God some killers and survivors are such spoilt, useless kids, wanting everything made easy for them.Thats a mitigator not a counter. Its the killer's airbag .
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@George_Soros said:
Giche said:That's the exact definition of the usual scrubvivor main.
Only this kind of peoples would defend this s***t.
A cancer perk made for cancer people, period.
Disagree ? You're one of them.
Whoa. Not giving a lot of leeway, are you? Look, for me, any survivor who DS-d me is just more delicious when I finally hook them. The problem with you weakling killers and weakling survivors is that you don't appreciate difficulty. Just want everything to fall in your lap, easy, free, effortless.
And btw, by "weakling" I don't even mean bad players - I'm quite mediocre myself. Just weak people, who always cry foul when things don't go their way, instead of trying harder.
First you should try your own medecine on yourself, and stop using second chance perk.
At this point you're trolling :
Call peoples on things he does himself.
When calling them for it, describing exactly how he behave himself.
Descriptions who, of course are detailled so peoples would immediately understand the bullshits he's throwing.
I'm out.
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@Giche said:
@George_Soros said:
Giche said:That's the exact definition of the usual scrubvivor main.
Only this kind of peoples would defend this s***t.
A cancer perk made for cancer people, period.
Disagree ? You're one of them.
Whoa. Not giving a lot of leeway, are you? Look, for me, any survivor who DS-d me is just more delicious when I finally hook them. The problem with you weakling killers and weakling survivors is that you don't appreciate difficulty. Just want everything to fall in your lap, easy, free, effortless.
And btw, by "weakling" I don't even mean bad players - I'm quite mediocre myself. Just weak people, who always cry foul when things don't go their way, instead of trying harder.
First you should try your own medecine on yourself, and stop using second chance perk.
At this point you're trolling :
Call peoples on things he does himself.
When calling them for it, describing exactly how he behave himself.
Descriptions who, of course are detailled so peoples would immediately understand the bullshits he's throwing.
I'm out.
Dude your mic made a crater on the stage.
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@George_Soros said:
@Lead_Cenobite said:
I'm really pissed that the devs are dodging this question. "Everyone knows this perk is cancer."Everyone?
Speak for yourself. Playing killer 80% of the time, I completely disagree. You can counter it, learn how to deal with it, or simply eat it (you know it can be used only one time, right?) instead of complaining.
God some killers and survivors are such spoilt, useless kids, wanting everything made easy for them.trust me guys im a killer main you can totally counter DS i'm just not going to tell you how lol
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That's the spirityeet said: n@George_Soros said:
@Lead_Cenobite said:
I'm really pissed that the devs are dodging this question. "Everyone knows this perk is cancer."Everyone?
Speak for yourself. Playing killer 80% of the time, I completely disagree. You can counter it, learn how to deal with it, or simply eat it (you know it can be used only one time, right?) instead of complaining.
God some killers and survivors are such spoilt, useless kids, wanting everything made easy for them.trust me guys im a killer main you can totally counter DS i'm just not going to tell you how lol
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@George_Soros said:
yeet said: n@George_Soros said:
@Lead_Cenobite said:
I'm really pissed that the devs are dodging this question. "Everyone knows this perk is cancer."
Everyone?
Speak for yourself. Playing killer 80% of the time, I completely disagree. You can counter it, learn how to deal with it, or simply eat it (you know it can be used only one time, right?) instead of complaining.
God some killers and survivors are such spoilt, useless kids, wanting everything made easy for them.
trust me guys im a killer main you can totally counter DS i'm just not going to tell you how lol
That's the spirit
Stop playing with your own poop lmfao
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@Lead_Cenobite said:
Anyone? Please? I've been playing this game for over a year and have been suffering through DS long enough. I'm about to lose my mind now.Dude you should take it easy.
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I tried man, I really tried. But I love it way too much.Giche said:@George_Soros said:
yeet said: n@George_Soros said:
@Lead_Cenobite said:
I'm really pissed that the devs are dodging this question. "Everyone knows this perk is cancer."
Everyone?
Speak for yourself. Playing killer 80% of the time, I completely disagree. You can counter it, learn how to deal with it, or simply eat it (you know it can be used only one time, right?) instead of complaining.
God some killers and survivors are such spoilt, useless kids, wanting everything made easy for them.
trust me guys im a killer main you can totally counter DS i'm just not going to tell you how lol
That's the spirit
Stop playing with your own poop lmfao
By the way: DS is fine as it is. Don't touch it.2 -
I'm at rank 1-3 now and haven't seen it used. It seems lower ranks use it but not nearly as much as people on here seem to complain about. It rarely works imo so why would they use it?fcc2014 said:I don't deal with it as much and play at high ranks. You can juggle them if they have it. Also frozen in place for a flashlight save sounds worse. Get blinded on top of stun you lost 5-6 seconds combined. Becareful. What you wish for.2 -
There are ways to counter it in some situations and is a ONE time use, can fail and if failed DS is completely gone.
I know i'm gonna get bashed by many for this but... DS is an ok perk.
4 DS SWF group can be annoying? Sure, but this is also a solo game. Part of the community, somehow, has achieved to make everyone think that it's a perk that needs to be gone the way it is right now.2 -
Vietfox: thank you. You managed to phrase it a civilized manner. Teach me your ways!Vietfox said:There are ways to counter it in some situations and is a ONE time use, can fail and if failed DS is completely gone.
I know i'm gonna get bashed by many for this but... DS is an ok perk.
4 DS SWF group can be annoying? Sure, but this is also a solo game. Part of the community, somehow, has achieved to make everyone think that it's a perk that needs to be gone the way it is right now.1 -
Decisive Strike is overrated.
A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
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@Superyoshiegg said:
Decisive Strike is overrated.A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
@fcc2014 said:
I don't deal with it as much and play at high ranks. You can juggle them if they have it. Also frozen in place for a flashlight save sounds worse. Get blinded on top of stun you lost 5-6 seconds combined. Becareful. What you wish for.I'm pretty sure you'll be able to move your head around, meaning you can avoid a flashlight save. You just can't walk anywhere.
Maybe i'm wrong but i thought Steve Hovak i know i just butchered his name said something to the effect this would be when you could get those flashlight saves.
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@Orion said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
Decisive Strike is overrated.A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.
Bad choice of words I guess, but there's still ways to play against it.
Enduring is naturally the first to come to mind, but you could classify that as "minimizing the damage".
Slug them. You have Nurse's Calling, Deerstalker, Knock Out, Coulrophobia and Mangled add-ons. They can't use Decisive Strike if you never pick them up.
The Obsession has a huge marker letting you know they (most likely) have the perk. If you yourself are running an Obsession perk, then you just have to be extra cautious around the Obsession before you find out if they have the perk or not.
Moris, although obviously not very viable and extremely situational, also help deal with it. You don't even need to hook them the first time if you're running a Cypress and have killed off their team.
Throw down a bottle at your feet before picking them up as the Clown. Even if they do escape, they'll be slowed and will emit a scream (Calm Spirit withstanding) letting you know what direction they're heading to.
There's the classic juggle tactic, of course. Not an exploit, as I recall the devs confirming.
Making sure to RBT the Obsession as the Pig, meaning even if they escape, they won't be able to contribute towards the objective at least for a while, and you can even force the trap to go off if you play it smart.
Setting up traps as the Trapper or Hag before picking them up, meaning there's a high likelihood that you will catch them sooner rather than later.
Sure, some of these aren't exactly great, but they're handy to use in a pinch.
I will reiterate again, I find Decisive Strike overrated. I would much rather use that perk slot on something that will help me more than 10% of the match, and will help prevent me from being caught in the first place (Iron Will, Dead Hard, etc).
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@Orion said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
Decisive Strike is overrated.A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.
If the killer manages to M1 at the same time survivors press the skill check won't work even if you hear the sound. I know it sounds difficult but can be "easily" done against the obsession because it's easier to time it.
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@Vietfox said:
@Orion said:
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.If the killer manages to M1 at the same time survivors press the skill check won't work even if you hear the sound. I know it sounds difficult but can be "easily" done against the obsession because it's easier to time it.
I believe that counts as an exploit, and thus shouldn't be encouraged.
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Why we don't see hatch close and nerf for DS ? Simple back slash of survs negative rewiew.1
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@Superyoshiegg said:
@Vietfox said:
@Orion said:
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.If the killer manages to M1 at the same time survivors press the skill check won't work even if you hear the sound. I know it sounds difficult but can be "easily" done against the obsession because it's easier to time it.
I believe that counts as an exploit, and thus shouldn't be encouraged.
I know it is and i'm not encouraging people to do it. @Orion just asked for other ways.
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@Superyoshiegg said:
@Orion said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
Decisive Strike is overrated.A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.
Bad choice of words I guess, but there's still ways to play against it.
Enduring is naturally the first to come to mind, but you could classify that as "minimizing the damage".
Slug them. You have Nurse's Calling, Deerstalker, Knock Out, Coulrophobia and Mangled add-ons. They can't use Decisive Strike if you never pick them up.
The Obsession has a huge marker letting you know they (most likely) have the perk. If you yourself are running an Obsession perk, then you just have to be extra cautious around the Obsession before you find out if they have the perk or not.
Moris, although obviously not very viable and extremely situational, also help deal with it. You don't even need to hook them the first time if you're running a Cypress and have killed off their team.
Throw down a bottle at your feet before picking them up as the Clown. Even if they do escape, they'll be slowed and will emit a scream (Calm Spirit withstanding) letting you know what direction they're heading to.
There's the classic juggle tactic, of course. Not an exploit, as I recall the devs confirming.
Making sure to RBT the Obsession as the Pig, meaning even if they escape, they won't be able to contribute towards the objective at least for a while, and you can even force the trap to go off if you play it smart.
Setting up traps as the Trapper or Hag before picking them up, meaning there's a high likelihood that you will catch them sooner rather than later.
Sure, some of these aren't exactly great, but they're handy to use in a pinch.
I will reiterate again, I find Decisive Strike overrated. I would much rather use that perk slot on something that will help me more than 10% of the match, and will help prevent me from being caught in the first place (Iron Will, Dead Hard, etc).
So, out of all those that require you to run a ######### ton of perks or play specific Killers or use specific offerings to circumvent the problem, we have one way besides the one I was already thinking (dribbling; what you called juggling), and that's slugging.
In other words, the only reliable way to circumvent DS besides hoping they fell into an area with hooks close by and that other Survivors won't come for the easy flashlight save, is to deprive yourself of a well-deserved hook.5 -
@Superyoshiegg said:
@Vietfox said:
@Orion said:
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.If the killer manages to M1 at the same time survivors press the skill check won't work even if you hear the sound. I know it sounds difficult but can be "easily" done against the obsession because it's easier to time it.
I believe that counts as an exploit, and thus shouldn't be encouraged.
Ignore her. I've learned that she only skims my comments. She doesn't actually fully read them. I've decided to pay her back in kind.
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@Superyoshiegg said:
Decisive Strike is overrated.A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
So many people point at it, you might think something needs fixing.
I'll agree that maybe it's not DS. Maybe it's actually SC or even unbreakable. Who knows. Someone needs to sit down and analyze. The problem is there though otherwise people wouldn't cry so much about it.
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Got idea for nerf DS you got DS you got one stage on hook less lol.1
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@Orion said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
@Vietfox said:
@Orion said:
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.If the killer manages to M1 at the same time survivors press the skill check won't work even if you hear the sound. I know it sounds difficult but can be "easily" done against the obsession because it's easier to time it.
I believe that counts as an exploit, and thus shouldn't be encouraged.
Ignore her. I've learned that she only skims my comments. She doesn't actually fully read them. I've decided to pay her back in kind.
I fully read them and i've proven that already. I might reply you more than anyone else, but it's because you are kinda "agressive" in almost every comment of yours and oviously cause i got my own opinion.
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@Sarief said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
Decisive Strike is overrated.A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
So many people point at it, you might think something needs fixing.
I'll agree that maybe it's not DS. Maybe it's actually SC or even unbreakable. Who knows. Someone needs to sit down and analyze. The problem is there though otherwise people wouldn't cry so much about it.
The problem with SC runs much deeper than SC. The problem is healing in general. There's absolutely no drawback to being hit multiple times if you're good enough to get away. You can always get back to full health like nothing happened. You suffer no penalties from it.
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@Sarief said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
Decisive Strike is overrated.A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
So many people point at it, you might think something needs fixing.
I'll agree that maybe it's not DS. Maybe it's actually SC or even unbreakable. Who knows. Someone needs to sit down and analyze. The problem is there though otherwise people wouldn't cry so much about it.
Many people also point at the Nurse, NOED, Self-Care, Ruin, Sprint-Burst, Barbecue and Chilli, etc. Does that mean any of those need to be nerfed?
I personally have no problem playing against anything I just mentioned, the same as Decisive Strike. Take it from a 2000 hour mediocre player, but people need to just deal with things they don't like. Too many complain (in this community especially) when the slightest thing goes wrong, and that's the primary reason it's so toxic. The 'Us vs Them' mentality is not good for anyone.
Slightly off topic, I'm aware.
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@Orion said:
@Sarief said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
Decisive Strike is overrated.A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
So many people point at it, you might think something needs fixing.
I'll agree that maybe it's not DS. Maybe it's actually SC or even unbreakable. Who knows. Someone needs to sit down and analyze. The problem is there though otherwise people wouldn't cry so much about it.
The problem with SC runs much deeper than SC. The problem is healing in general. There's absolutely no drawback to being hit multiple times if you're good enough to get away. You can always get back to full health like nothing happened. You suffer no penalties from it.
You think? It's not really true. If you run + SelfCare + run to engine + avoid killer for the time = you lose time, while killer can use it to complete his objective. Yes, there can be situation where killer does not play normally or jungle gyms, but otherwise, the longer game goes, the more chances killer is given to kill you. Some killers (like trapper or hag) even become stronger as the game goes.
Killer hit 2 survs and 1 is running away? guess only 1 is doing gens. And killer breaks pallets (if he's smart)
Game is time attack with survivors having 60 seconds more than needed and each mistake eats only 5 seconds.as much as I'd like SC to be gone, I know that without it is much worse.
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@Vietfox said:
@Orion said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
@Vietfox said:
@Orion said:
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.If the killer manages to M1 at the same time survivors press the skill check won't work even if you hear the sound. I know it sounds difficult but can be "easily" done against the obsession because it's easier to time it.
I believe that counts as an exploit, and thus shouldn't be encouraged.
Ignore her. I've learned that she only skims my comments. She doesn't actually fully read them. I've decided to pay her back in kind.
I fully read them and i've proven that already. I might reply you more than anyone else, but it's because you are kinda "agressive" in almost every comment of yours and oviously cause i got my own opinion.
Then you would've read the fifth word of the first sentence, where I point out that I'm not looking for exploits. Either you're not reading or you're ignoring.
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@Sarief said:
@Orion said:
@Sarief said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
Decisive Strike is overrated.A free escape? Woo!
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match? Woo?
A free escape once per match with the perk doing nothing for 95% of the match, along with several ways for the killer to circumvent the perk? Boo.
So many people point at it, you might think something needs fixing.
I'll agree that maybe it's not DS. Maybe it's actually SC or even unbreakable. Who knows. Someone needs to sit down and analyze. The problem is there though otherwise people wouldn't cry so much about it.
The problem with SC runs much deeper than SC. The problem is healing in general. There's absolutely no drawback to being hit multiple times if you're good enough to get away. You can always get back to full health like nothing happened. You suffer no penalties from it.
You think? It's not really true. If you run + SelfCare + run to engine + avoid killer for the time = you lose time, while killer can use it to complete his objective. Yes, there can be situation where killer does not play normally or jungle gyms, but otherwise, the longer game goes, the more chances killer is given to kill you. Some killers (like trapper or hag) even become stronger as the game goes.
Killer hit 2 survs and 1 is running away? guess only 1 is doing gens. And killer breaks pallets (if he's smart)
Game is time attack with survivors having 60 seconds more than needed and each mistake eats only 5 seconds.as much as I'd like SC to be gone, I know that without it is much worse.
The Killer's objective is you. Wasting your time doesn't help the Killer get you. There is no Killer equivalent of looping, where if they just waste enough of your time, they win.
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@Orion said:
@Vietfox said:
@Orion said:
@Superyoshiegg said:
@Vietfox said:
@Orion said:
I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk? Note that "circumvent" doesn't mean "minimizing the damage". "Circumvent" literally means to go around something.If the killer manages to M1 at the same time survivors press the skill check won't work even if you hear the sound. I know it sounds difficult but can be "easily" done against the obsession because it's easier to time it.
I believe that counts as an exploit, and thus shouldn't be encouraged.
Ignore her. I've learned that she only skims my comments. She doesn't actually fully read them. I've decided to pay her back in kind.
I fully read them and i've proven that already. I might reply you more than anyone else, but it's because you are kinda "agressive" in almost every comment of yours and oviously cause i got my own opinion.
Then you would've read the fifth word of the first sentence, where I point out that I'm not looking for exploits. Either you're not reading or you're ignoring.
"I know of one non-exploit way to circumvent the perk, and it requires a hook to be very close by. What are the "several ways" to circumvent the perk?"
It would be easier to understand if you asked "What are the other non-exploits "several ways" to circumvent the perk?1 -
@Orion said:
The Killer's objective is you. Wasting your time doesn't help the Killer get you. There is no Killer equivalent of looping, where if they just waste enough of your time, they win.Your time being wasted doesn't help the killer fulfil his goal, but it certainly delays yours. Time spent healing is time not spent repairing generators.
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