Killers should be able to see the aura of the hatch when there's five or four gens remaining

Um no. Nice try with the survivor main thing though.

It just isn't fair. If killer finds hatch, he deserves to have the odds stacked in his favor. If the survivor does, they may potentially deserve the escape (as sometimes a good survivor is stuck with bad teammates)

I'll start off by saying that I am a (supposedly) killer main myself.

Edit: I should of done my research before posting this reply as I had no idea that the spawning of the hatch depends on the amount of survivors still alive in addition to the amount of generators completed.

(Irrelevant) When I first read your discussion title, I had to disagree with what it said, but after reading through your whole discussion, I think I see what you're trying to say, but you need to be clear on a couple of things.

1(Irrelevant). Are you talking about 'as long as there are 4 - 5 generators remaining'? This would let the killer see the hatch at the beginning of the game and I disagree with this. The killer would memorize where it's at, and go to it even if there was one only gen left and it came down to a 1v1.

2(Irrelevant). Or do you mean, 'as long as there are 4 - 5 generators remaining AND the hatch is open'? This is interesting because it forces the survivors to do at least 2 gens before they use a skeleton key. Otherwise, the killer is going to see the hatch as soon as it opens, which allows the killer to step in and take action against a super early hatch opening.

3. Or finally, do you mean 'as long as there are 4 - 5 generators remaining and there's only one player left'? This seems like it could be a legitimate feature of the game but it may be too late at that point because of the possibility that the last survivor decided to search for the hatch while letting his teamate die, and by the time you see the hatch's aura, it's already GG for him. This could still be usefull if the last survivor didn't search for the hatch in the first place.

If you think about it, there's so many different things you can do when it comes to giving the killer an aura of the hatch. Make it normal perk, or a hex perk. Or maybe add a distance requirement just like in bill's version. (Irrelevant) Change the amount of players that need to be alive, or change the amount of generators that still need to be inactive for the ability to activate.

There's so much (Edit: Scratch that. Not as much as I thought) potential in this and I'm glad you brought this up.

UMM...HOW ABOUT NO. WHY DON’T YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND CLAIM ALL SURVIVORS NEED TO BE SPAWNED ON THE HOOK...’CAUSE THAT’S WHAT THAT EQUALS, BABY... 👶🏻🍼😀

Really probably would not be a good idea though, cause then NOBODY would stand a chance of getting out the hatch...that’s just the way it would be. 😕😕😕

Would you mind it if was included in the game as a perk? What if it included a range so you had to be within a certain distance to see the hatch?

What I'm really asking is if what if the killer had access to a carbon copy of Bill's "Left Behind" perk. If you think that's still unfair for a sole survivor who got stuck with potato players, would it be better if it was a hex perk?

I think the killer needs a way to counter hatch camping. As a matter of fact, I remember someone complaining that a match was going on for too long after I had a perfect 3 gen setup and their teammates were being useless by camping hatch.

Bottom Line: The killers already find the hatch easy enough. EVERY survivor knows this. Almost every game I play as a survivor, they find it immediately. If you really played a survivor more often like you say, you would understand my point of view. 👍🏻

Big no. "alright, the hatch is in the shack, I'll remember that when there's only one survivor left"

Might as well remove the hatch from the game entirely.

The suggesting you made without knowing how the game mechanics work and made two pages long for apparently no reason? Yeah that suggestion is bad. And even if the suggestion was "show the killer the hatch aura for 5 seconds when it appears in the game" it would still be a bad idea. Why? Cause part of the game is seeing who will find it first. If you want the killer to see the hatch then have them waste a perk slot for it, to work exactly like "left behind".. Or, you know, leave it the way it is.

It still would be too killer-sided though. And as someone who plays both sides, it's really a matter of finding it first when it opens.. Having the killer see where the hatch spawned (even when it's still closed, for a few seconds) would give them a huge advantage if they're already doing well.

Then might as well remove the hatch entirely because your suggesting definitely is killer sided. There's literally no reason to implement such a change in the game, hatch is fine as it is right now.

You're right. Especially since I like to follow the logic of "If it isn't broken, don't fix it". This discussion definitely isn't a balancing request, so I was the one that suggested it as a perk, in knowing that it favors the killer. You must of quoted the wrong person earlier when you were talking about making a suggestion without knowing how the game mechanics work, since that was the mistake I made. And finally, I don't think you understood what I was talking about as a limitation to this supposed 'perk'. I wasn't talking about a 'Time Duration' to see the hatch for 5 seconds, no, because the hatch doesn't move. What I ment was a literal carbon copy of bill's perk for the killer where he / she needs to be within a certain distance to see the hatch, and it only activates when there is only one survivor left.

Bro. Ok, yeah I am little new. When I made my first reply, I didn't know how the spawns worked for the hatch. But I looked it up, I know that it spawns when the amount of generators completed is one more then the amount of players remaining. But you also skipped over Nutty_Professor's reply when he said that it won't kick in unless there is ONLY one player remaining. That's the part you missed, and you're assuming that he means when if FIRST SPAWNS. No, he means when, again, when there is only one player in the game, and there are 4 - 5 gens remaining. That's another thing. Are you sure YOU know how it works. Either you completely skipped over professor's reply, or you don't know that it doesn't spawn until the # of completed gens is equal to the amount of players in the game +1, and I'm guessing it's the former.

When there are 4 - 5 gens left to be done in the game, if you do simple math, you know that the hatch won't spawn if there are 4 players, 3 players, or even 2 players, because there would only be at most one generator completed at that point. There's one exception to this rule that we all know; it's when there is only one survivor left. At that point, it doesn't matter how many gens are completed, the hatch will spawn and open automatically. This is the situation that Nut_Professor is talking about. At that point, because all of the survivors were potatoes and were unable to get more than one gen completed, the killer should be able to steamroll the last survivor and see an aura of the hatch at that point.

That's what this discussion is about; there's no possibility of the hatch spawning closed and the killer seeing it's aura before it's open, because we're only covering the situation where no more then 4 - 5 gens are done.

I'm imagining that new killer players, or vet players who have a lot of confidence that they only need three decent perks to kill most of the survivors would run it. It definitely would not be meta, mostly just an extra perk that some take along for the lack of a better perk.

The only problem with hatch are multiple escapes, and istant opening keys.