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To the people who urge others to drop DBD if they are unhappy with it, hear me out.
One does not simply drop something they've invested both hard-earned money and never-refunded time in with no qualms.
You have people who've spent several hundreds or even thousands of hours that they will NEVER get back. Now they take issue with their investment and want it to change.
Imagine if you invested in a stock. You do not want to see the stock drop, right? If it does, do you just sell or do you try to make it go up by doing whatever is in your power to make that stock rise? Be it advice or something else, I'd rather try to help my investment than let it squander around.
It's the same with DBD. Especially if you're like me, someone who has been playing since release, has been deeply involved in the small competitive community for many years. You could even be a content creator that has built their entire infrastructure on this game. If it dies you're income line just dropped dead.
If you expect someone to just drop DBD if they don't like the path it is going down or take issue with certain aspects, you're willfully ignoring these investments players have made. I urge you to stop this line of reasoning, as it is utterly and entirely unrealistic.
EDIT: I edited a sentence that made my point unclear.
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Edit: [I misread the post, and misunderstood. That was my mistake, and I’m sorry. I’m gonna leave my comment here, because I don’t plan on pretending I never said anything wrong]
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Save for the tiny minority of people that built their careers around this game, no.
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People devote thousands of hours to many things: sports, tv shows, comics, and of course games.
But games aren’t some kind of stock that gains value just because you’ve played it a lot.
Nor is it something that just because you stop “investing” in it, suddenly becomes worthless.
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Games are experiences.
Generally used for casual fun and memories with friends. Those are irreplaceable, and not something that will be lost just because you don’t like the game anymore or don’t recommend it.
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Either you are missing my point or you disagree with it on a more fundamental level.
If someone invests time into something they enjoy, they don't think of it as memories and experiences. That is making it look like something someone has already parted with and passed on. It is something you actively enjoy. It's a hobby that you could perhaps put a ton of effort and love into. You tell someone to leave because they don't like something, you're ignoring all those hours they've spent playing, learning, getting involved with the community.
So they're gonna just drop it at the hat like that? No! What about children? You nurture them without any real incentive or promise of incentive (of course we're talking about a game, but there are parallels that are undeniable). Can you ask a parent to just give up their baby for adoption because they don't like how (insert annoying baby trait)? No. They've invested too much already.
Time is something you don't get back. I don't know how many hours you have in game, but if I told you to just stop playing if you don't like something, that wouldn't be proper logic. You have your personal investment, as do I. From what I'm reading, you're response is only about moving on.
Games give experiences, games create memories. But why are you looking at it from an angle of someone who's already moved on and not at all attached to the game currently?
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First off, I’d like to note that I’m not telling anyone to quit if something upsets them.
And I can see now that upon re-reading, I misread and misunderstood your point.
I thought you meant that people shouldn’t allowed to tell others to not pick up DBD, as in like an anti-recommendation.
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I can perfectly understand why someone wouldn’t want to lose their hobby.
I have about 900 hours on the game, so I get why someone would want to improve the game when it’s going down hill, rather than just jump ship. That’s the entire reason I even have a forum account.
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So I’m sorry @Financial_Stability, that’s entirely my bad and on me.
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If you expect someone to just drop DBD if they don't like it, you're willfully ignoring these investments players have made. I urge you to stop this line of reasoning, as it is utterly and entirely unrealistic.If you are unhappy, you should drop it. It is nothing like a stock investment. It's a game. If you invested hundreds or thousands of hours into it, it was because you enjoyed playing it. If that is no longer the case, it is best to move on. Why would anyone want to keep playing something they no longer find fun? That would really be wasting time you will never get back. There are hundreds of games out there to be played. Attatching yourself to one specific game HOPING that it will eventually become fun for you again, would be insane. They can always check back in the future to see if things have improved.
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And for my next trick, I will take this post as a personal attack!
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I mean I get it. You take time to play a game to get good at but in this instance it just made it harder for killer. So they can try different killers or strategies to combat this instead of being absolute babies about their ruin being gone. It's an easy adjustment to play without ruin.
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If we're going to use economic metaphors, maybe we should talk about the sunk cost fallacy.
It's okay to want something you've invested in to succeed. That's perfectly natural. But the mere fact that you've invested in it doesn't mean you should stick with it.
You shouldn't continue to invest money in a failing endeavour just because of how much you've already invested in it, and you shouldn't continue to play a game that makes you miserable just because you've already poured a lot of time and money into it.
It is, as the name implies, a logical fallacy. That's the point people who follow that line of reasoning are trying to make.
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It's not just the ruin nerf that are making people quit the game you say it's a easy adjustment to play without ruin but the devs didn't want survivors to learn how to play against ruin i.e perks, hit skill checks so they nerfed it.
it's how they are treating killers at the moment that are making people leave just look at the designer notes and the QnA everything was based on making it fun for survivors and less annoying, What about the killers what are they changing to make it fun for them and any time someone brings it up they just brush it off and move on to the next question.
Top that off with the plans to nerf slowdown perks for killers why wouldn't killers be pissed and leave the game?
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I'm not discussing whether or not people should drop the game or not. This is about people who tell others to drop the game if there is something they don't like. They may still find the game enjoyable, so if they have some way to try and remedy that issue (say posting on the forums) then that would be the logical course. I'm not saying people won't drop the game. I wish that there wasn't so many people misunderstanding what I am saying.
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You too are misunderatanding my point entirely. One can still enjoy the game while taking issue with some aspects of it. We aren't talking about people who aren't having any fun anymore. We're talkimg about people who tell othera to atop playing if they have an issue with something, and I'm trying to explain why that's a very unproductive thing to say.
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Bro I can't ask for anything more. You went above and beyond and I'm actually surprised. You have my reapect.
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Sunken cost fallacy, stockholm syndrome maybe? Sorry, but even if you invested $5000 into a game and your reasoning for not leaving said game is because you devoted too much time and money into it, then you're simply addicted to something because you can't walk away from something you should be walking away from because you do not like or enjoy it any more.
I've played this game for 3 years. I no longer play it. My best friend no longer plays it. I would do my best to explain to any other friend, relative to when they start and when they would get to the higher ranks, why they should not play it and allow them to make their own decision. My reasoning would be not only gameplay but the devs associated with it.
For YEARS people who have played DBD have been waiting for a new game to come take its place. Every time a new game came out - F13, Last Year or whatever that game was a year back, everyone was so hype to leave it behind, especially streamers. But everyone still plays this game because there is no other game like it.
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What are you trying to say, exactly? Maybe the reason so many people are misunderstanding your point is because you didn't communicate it as clearly as you meant to in your original post. Because it certainly came across like you were saying people shouldn't be expected to stop playing the game even if they're not enjoying it, just because they've invested in it previously.
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After rereading my post, I did have a sentence that made my point unclear. I have since edited it (last paragraph) to better represent what I am trying to put across. Sorry for the confusion. What I am trying to say is that it is not a productive way of talking to someone who is taking issue with the game. People shouldn't be telling others to stop playing if they take issue with certain aspects of it or the path it is going down.
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I see. Well, yes, in that case, I can definitely agree with that. Although I think there is room for a well-placed "git gud" or words to that effect if someone is just unconstructively complaining about the game being too hard and needing to be changed without putting any effort into trying to adapt themselves, if someone is offering legitimate criticism or asking for help, I agree that it's not productive to just dismiss their concerns and tell them to stop playing.
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Just because your spent alot of time on a game, or even alot of money...Doesnt mean its not ok to drop it once you've had enough. Even the game devs has said this, although the Civ thing has been turned into a meme pretty much. Personally, I've invested right around 4000 hours into warframe with that being actual in mission time and not just afk. I still though will drop it for awhile, pick it back up when I feel like it and so on.
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Given the current state of the game, you pretty much have to have a certain mindset to be able to tolerate a lot of the absolute unfairness the game throws at you, and the people the community has brought to it.
So if someone can't really get passed those things, it's very safe to suggest they just find another game because unless they actually get passed those personal mindsets, nothing is going to change. It's no more up to you than it is those people saying they should quit, just the person playing; and as such anyone's opinion that they should is 100% just as valid as your own saying they shouldn't.
Just because you don't agree with people on their opinion versus your own, does not make theirs any less valid.
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Sure they can. It's harder when you've invested a great deal of time but sometimes you gotta put your foot down, not being able to do so just shows a weak will in that individual. I played Runescape for over 365 days of in-game time, had max everything at the time that I quit, but I got fed up with the direction the devs were taking it and gave it up.
Just because you enjoyed something in the past doesn't mean you should just continue to enable terrible decision after terrible decision, you gotta draw the line somewhere.
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I hear Civilization is a good game to replace Dead by Daylight with
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There's a difference in being slightly annoyed and just not having fun at all with a game anymore. The more you lean towards the "no fun at all" area then the better off you would be moving on.
I played WoW for the better part of a decade and the last 6 months or so that I played it was almost no fun at all and I finally decided to let it go and I don't even miss it. Yes I spent a lot of time/money on it over the years but it wasn't suddenly wasted when I quit playing. I got plenty of enjoyment and fun times out of it but sometimes you just gotta move on.
Given the way this game is going and the way people play these days (on both sides) I gave up on it and the devs don't seem to have any idea how improve the health of the game. You get survivors who won't make saves and just hide or throw the game trying to get a rift challenge done. You get killers that camp with 5 gens still up or just tunnel people to death and the devs don't seem to have any idea what to do about it.
TLDR: Instead of beating my head against the wall continuing to play this game that I don't have fun playing in the hopes of it getting better I decided to quit instead. Someone already said it there's plenty of other games out there.
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The thing about this...even they do something you don't like over and over again there's just a time you should just...stop.
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No, but when the devs are pretty much forcing you to, what else do you do then? Keep playing? Keep Losing? Keep getting bullied? Keep getting palette stunned, into tbagged then clicky-clicky? Trying your best just to compete but the balance is so bad you can't? That isn't fun, it's depressing and a WASTE of time. Why even bother until they fix it, if they ever do. Just play something else. It's the only way the devs will open there eyes if they care about there game and the killer player base. It's kinda like killers are going on STRIKE until they fix this #########!
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I mean I dont regret the fun times I had in the game, but that doesnt mean that I should keep playing a game that is getting consistently less fun with every patch so why should I keep playing while the game is in such a horrible state.
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I'm not telling you to keep on playing the game if you don't like it. I thought I made it clear that people shouldn't be telling other people to quit if they don't like something. That was the entire point.
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Nope, going to tell anyone that'll listen to avoid the game
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I suppose that's fair but the devs haven't been responding all that well to the criticisms a large part of the community has and the best form of protest is to drop the game so trying to convince others to also drop the game in protest is the most effective way to have these complaints herd whether you agree or not. Cause you can say start a thread or something but there were plenty of threads stating how bad the ruin change was and they never addressed a large majority of said criticisms.
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