WHEN IS FACECAMP GOING TO STOP?
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I love your response to them. I imagine it aggravated them a bit more.
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No, it's not like spawn camping. The killer didn't down you as soon as you spawned in. You had ample time to run and the resources/tools to not get caught.
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Clearly you haven't met some of my friends. xD
Looping does take skill. It's about learning timing and experience; knowing when to jump a window or pallet, when to throw a pallet down, when to leave the loop for another, what direction to go in, how to fake out the killer. Those things have to be learned. Sure, there are naturals here and there that pick it up easily but for most people it's not easy, which is why not every survivor is a rank 1.
When I play killer, which is quite often, I down most people pretty easily but every so often there is a pro looper that comes along that will run me for days or I might not even catch. Those people are rare, at least in my games. So, yeah, from my experience and observation... it takes a lot of skill.
Edit: Just to be clear... my friends are garbage at running/looping. They get downed in ten seconds or less.
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So when the other three survivors are swarming the hook and circling it like a bunch of buzzards, do you really think we are going to leave when we KNOW you are there?
Yes, some killers do this to be cruel, yet some killers feel obligated due to the survivors thirst for altruism. If i know there are survivors floating around the hook, I may not proxy camp, but I will remain close until I find you or whoever else is nearby.
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What survivors want: no camping no tunneling and easy win.
what killer wants: we at least want so that we can have fun.
idk if u ever tried killer but seriously just try killer until rank 10, u can see how gens are flying and how toxic survivors are. at this point of game, it is really hard to win unless u tunnel or camp. (I don't like to camp, or patrol too much because it makes at least one or more players to be boring) but, without it, the gens get finished in 5min, do u expect killers to win 10~12 chase in 5 mins? when survivors can just use one pallet go to other side and hold 1 mine easily?
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No it is, it's exactly like spawn camping in that one player is preventing the other from playing. Spawn camping doesn't happen at the beginning of a match, there is ample time to try until it happens which is just like face camping. But I already know your an entitled killer who face camps. So I'm not responding after this.
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No, it really isn't. If you were spawn camped, you had zero opportunity to retreat or run away, or stealth away, and no tools to do anything about it. The opposite is true for a survivor in a chase with a killer.
Also - survivor main, bud. i just don't get camped, cause I don't get caught. Apparently, you get caught a lot. Perhaps you should analyze yourself.
You forfeit the debate the second you through insults around. Take the L, my dude.
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Nope Camping is a valid strat, there is more than just "One way" to play the game, some killers like to run knockout and slug everyone, others like to chase>hook>find next>chase>hook, others like to go for really strong gen pressure builds and others such as myself like to generate Hook pressure.
When I start a game I know I'm going to kill two at the very minimum , why? Because I face camp the first guy and I have noed to get the second if they continue to focus gens after I get the first hook.
That usually isn't how it plays out though, what ends up happening is all 3 continue working on the gens they were on, then come investigate the hook wondering why nobody is saving and when they arrive they see he's being camped. But now all 3 of them are there so they're feeling pretty confident about pulling a save. Unfortunately I'm really good at guarding my hook and what usually ends up happening is I end up with a slug and a hook and maybe an injure or two. Now time is on my side, the guy on hook is in second state, the guy on the ground isn't going anywhere and they both need to heal or gen rush the last 3 gens which isn't going to happen.
Long story short, they all die, pretty much 80% of my matches are 4k's sure I might depip but the pip system for me doesn't show how good a killer you are, sure I may only get 15k blood points, but I don't need blood points since I've been doing this on a trapper with no add ons with no probems. To me the bottom line is a win is when all 4 are dead.
And to answer the question in the title:
It isn't it's just getting started >:D
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Why is it okay for survivors to camp the hook, but killers can't? Especially endgame. If all 5 gens are done, and I have a survivor on the hook, should I just go to the corner sucking my thumb and let everyone escape?
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Hilarious. Oh, THAT'S when facecamping is gonna stop?
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Basically, never.
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Mhm, sure whatever you believe kid
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That's what I thought.
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Didn't say you were right, didn't even read it. Your discussions have no merit.
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I'll tell you what, I'll stop face camping when every, and I mean every, not 80%, ot 99.99999% every single survivor no longer plays in a toxic way or has toxic end game chat.
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This coming from the person who faced with actual logic resorts to insults.
Okay they, budski. I love you too <3
I was just trying to have a discussion, but hey. If you can't actually hold said discussion, good on ya I suppose.
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"Camping" is anything that involves playing in an intelligent manner around the hook.
I'm sorry, but I'm not an idiot - I prefer to play intelligently. I will play around the hook when the situation calls for it.
If people don't like that, they're welcome to try and stop me
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I mean, you're not wrong. If you hook someone and you know there are people nearby waiting to bum rush the hook, there's no reason to leave. It's not like the others are on gens.
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Mhm sure, whatever you believe kid.
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You haven't many hours in the game right? Because (depending on the killer) you don't really need Hex:Ruin. I play on rank 1 and I don't missed that perk one bit. Just play PGTW with Surge and Corrupted. (Btw I played killer like demo, freddy, doctor, oni, trapper and wraith). I can just say: If you play huntress then I feel your pain. Otherwise I think 60% of those crying killers are just bad
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You don't see an issue with needing 3 perks for that?
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I mean im a survivor main but I recently started to play as killer as well so I kinda get why killers facecamp....especially when survivors be toxic af I get annoyed and do it on purpose to them.
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Unfair to killers how.
If the game is over and they're sitting at gate tbagging just force them out and get your extra bp. It's not the same as robbing someone of a whole game
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If youre getting face camped its probably because its the end of the game (with the ruin change its the new norm, it is what it is) or because youre being toxic lol.
And reading your comments on here you obviously only play survivor....people who only play survivors tend the be the toxic ones lol. If youre t bagging and all that dude why dont you just not be an #########?
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it does NOT award the killer with a lot of points. he is better off trying to slug other people and attempt to hook them.
If someone gets camped then do generators and force the killer out. the Survivor game is about how many can survive where as the killer game is how many can you kill. If he gets to kill a single person its bad for him, if you manage just a single dead, its good for you.
sure it sucks to be sacrificed, but dont get caught to begin with then. The ball is mostly on survivors half not the killers. Survivors often dictate the game, the killer dont, as good survivors can be really really difficult to deal with.
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i said go down, not stop. it is these main reasons atm that face camping has increased so much, mainly because of the ruin nerf. before I would ofc condone face camping, but now I understand with no ruin, they got no reason to play nice anymore
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And you don't see an issue with needing 4 perks for information/survivalbility?
We don't need double standards. Perks are there for an advantage. If you have trouble with gens then build it around it. I mean, I don't need perks against loops. So why shouldn't I use 3 perks against gens?
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Yep my problem as well... Always play with 3 friends once in a few games me or my friend get camped till we die and the fuckkking devs don't do anything about it. People here on my post say that you let them make camping and that i need to get good but camping imo is for unskilled players and should be forbidden or at least be reportable...
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If you camp or tunnel surviviors have the right to flame you;) I'm main survivior and when i get killed by a skilled killer I say respect or gg because i know he is bettet then me then. I play killer too and i NEVER camped or tunneled because i know how pahtetic it is. And people don't flame me :)
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Simple answer, it isn't.
It's a legit strat so just going to have the bite the bullet, like killers have to with SWF.
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Yeah it is, but is also an strategy, killers also hates some survivors strategies
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Ranks ≠ Skill
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Camping isn't fun for the survivor? Do you know what's not fun for the killer?
DS - Immunity from the killer for at least 60 seconds)
DH - A reward for the survivor for being outplayed
Adrenaline - You didn't heal but someone finished the last gen? Free heal for you!
Sprint Burst - A free escape because you get to be faster than the killer and it wastes too much time to go catch you.
Unbreakable - Don't run DS? Fake it and get up for free! Or combo with DS get away from the killer one of two ways!
Borrowed Time - Because safe unhooking is already a thing, we need super safe braindead unhooking!
Head On - Because survivors don't already have enough ways to stun the killer.
DS combo'd into Borrowed Time combo'd into DH for safe brainless saves.
Dozens of killer stunning perks that can be combo'd into each other.
Flashlights (for stuns/blinds or the annoying click)
Toolboxes (because gen speeds aren't already fast enough they make them faster with speed ups, more charges, or brand new parts to have a gen 30% finished in three seconds from one survivor)
Med Kits - Because insta heals weren't good enough, now you can tank a chainsaw hit, or drop a pallet and hit your insta heal then run for a few seconds and reset the chase because you're fully healed again.
No early game pressure.
Dozens of no-brain safe pallets on every map.
Infinites.
Infinites with multiple safe pallets around them.
Infinites with multiple safe pallets around with with at least two TL/JunugleGyms/Cow trees/Combines to run to and back and forth in all linked together.
Maps so huge the devs literally tell you to just let survivors have far away gens so you have to play with a handicap.
Getting slowed down and survivors getting a burst of speed when you hit them.
99'ing gates to go get those braindead saves.
Survivors not leaving and just waiting to t-bag in the exit area.
So yeah. Let me know when camping, tunneling, and moris equals all the bs killers have to suffer through every game.
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Killers are penalized for face camping already. Against semi decent survivors its an auto lose. But why leave a hook when all your prey throws yourself at you time and time again?
No its not fun by most people's dedinition of fun. But its just a game. Suicide if your getting face camped and move on.
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Sad but true. I agree
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Mmmmm no you don't. I remember you. You completely ignore what I said, tried to turn the "discussion" into something entirely different. You also come across as condescending and you talk down to people. Personally, I find that insulting in itself. This is why I don't consider any input you contribute. A real discussion involves reading and considering someone's opinion, something you clearly don't do too everyone.
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I remember you! I just realized. You're the one who made a thread complaining about campers, literally insulted everyone in it, and then disappeared for a while. Good to see you back, man.
Seriously though, still waiting for a counter that isn't "ok kid". Make with it, man! :) I just want a discussion with you :)
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It didn't start out as insults, I said y'all weren't reading what I said. I was called baby, potato and other insults that devs allow (double standard). You were one of them, so I no longer respect you or your opinion and I'm not "discussing" anything with you anymore. You hold no validity, or have any creditability imo. I owe you no counter, because you never contribute constructively to the discussion.
So sure kid, whatever you want to believe.
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That is true, you started with the insults on your second reply. You got me there.
In any case, are you going to have a discussion and counter my points? Or are you simply going to dismiss my points and continue to insult me because (and this is what I believe) you can't counter them? If the latter is true, by all means, keep on keeping on man. All good! 🌈
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Make an actual good point first, but prolly not since I don't read more than 50% of your posts. You already lost my respect so that won't chance.
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Well tbh making it less fun for survivors is kind of the point most killers have come to the conclusion that devs are more likely to listen to survivors complaints then killers, so if devs are gonna make killers less fun, then killers are gonna make survivor less fun, and hopefully survivors will realize how nice most killers have been up to this point with trying to avoid the more toxic playstyles, cause I'll be honest it's been kind of a treat seeing such a large upsurge of complaints regarding tunneling and camping since the ruin change.
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How do you know if I'm making good points if you admit to not reading half my posts?
That's a great big grand canyon sized hole if your logic o.O
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When people stop conditioning the killer by lingering around the hook. Be a little more professional and wait till he's finished hooking someone before revealing yourself. I wouldn't just dart off either as a killer with a ditzy survivor lingering or cheaply attempting to bait a chase.
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Sure kid, whatever you tell yourself
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Sensible. But you're a dirty camper, lol
/s of course
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Well don't you survivors get that it suck when you guys are TOXIC. It sucks being blinded, stunned body, blocked, ect. Get used to it dude.
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As soon as SWF is removed you'll see a huge drop in facecamping, until then I'll keep throwing entitled survivors in the basement and stare at them.
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Facecamping is not against the rules, so it's neither reportable nor punishable.
Since people used this thread topic to attack one another, instead of discussing the actual topic, I decided it's better to close it, since OP already received many answers.
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