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mmr question...

How will mmr effect those swf groups who abuse the low rank host into getting in low rank killer lobbies? i feel that this unfairness has a lot to do with these types of players not just matchmaking in general but these swfs that realize the swf update a few months ago was just a placebo?

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  • Waffleyumboy
    Waffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,318

    Low rank host??

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342

    SWF groups can't intentionally get into lobbies with low-ranked killers unless they're low-ranked themselves. Matchmaking for SWF at the moment is based on the highest ranked player in the party, and the reason it doesn't always appear that way is because the algorithm is flawed, not to mention bugged (which I assume is what's motivating that leap of logic that the update to the system I just described was a "placebo").

  • KrazyAce13
    KrazyAce13 Member Posts: 333
    edited January 2020

    its not though maybe on pc but not ps4. and it only pertains to swf as long as the highest rank is the host.we have had this discussion in other swf topics before,they removed that and opened the matchmaking. and i have had many rank 5s and higher swf with raank 16 and lower in my rank 13 and lower matches.i also have many screenshots of players in the game crossed with friends and followers list proving they are in an swf.

  • KrazyAce13
    KrazyAce13 Member Posts: 333

    yes meaning the lowest rank is the one starting the swf party and it still on ps4 at least matches with the lowest rank. i have had since the supposed nerf to swf multiple purple and red ranks with a rank 16 in my rank 13 and lower killer lobbies. so yes a placebo because it was never implemented the way they explained then shortly removed or open matchmaking which is why they are making the changes to matchmaking like they stated because open was working (not for me still 10 minute plus ques as a solo survivor) but not fair because now im getting full red rank survivors swf or not as a rank 11 killer.

  • Peanits
    Peanits Dev Posts: 7,555

    I can confirm that it currently uses the highest rank on all platforms, PS4 included. If you have a rank 1 survivor in your group, it'll start looking for rank 1 killers.

    (Matchmaking issues aside, of course.)

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342

    As I said, and as Peanits hinted, the reason why people are being matched all over the place is because the system isn't working properly at the moment. It's not because of any intended functionality in the SWF matchmaking. Peanits confirmed it for you - SWF groups are matched based on the highest ranked player in the group, not the host. And because the matchmaking issues are caused by bugs and not intended functionality, there is no way for survivors to abuse it to their advantage.

  • supersonic853
    supersonic853 Member Posts: 5,843

    So will the new system go by the highest persons MMR?

  • KrazyAce13
    KrazyAce13 Member Posts: 333
    edited January 2020

    im telling you as a ps4 player it does not, i am getting full red ranks with at least 2 swf as a rank 12 killer.

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,965

    Yeah, that is because there is an over-abundance of high rank survivors because it is easier to rank up as a survivor than as a killer. Pretty much every green rank killer regularly gets red rank survivors. The new hidden MMR matchmaking system should actually help.

    Bear in mind that rank has very little to do with skill. There are plenty of red rank survivors that should be green rank based on their skill. Likewise, there are plenty of green rank killers that should be higher rank based on skill but abuse the system to stay in green (or lower ranks).

  • KrazyAce13
    KrazyAce13 Member Posts: 333

    its an swf matchmaking issue, in this case which is why i want to know will this make it so this wont happen anymore. unless you play on ps4 you cannot really have a say in whether it is truly a matchmaking issue or not because it is way worse for console than pc.

  • KrazyAce13
    KrazyAce13 Member Posts: 333

    i will send you the same stream clip as i am to peanits that a rank 12 showing by his friends and followers list is in the game with at least one other person which is red rank with 3 red ranks and a rank 12 the matchmaking by the way everyone wants to force me to believe is happening would not allow this kind of matchmaking.

  • KrazyAce13
    KrazyAce13 Member Posts: 333
    edited January 2020

    well seeing i have no option to send directly @Peanits the description explains how i am able to tell these guys are swf by what you are saying this matchmaking should never appen. and being a low rank survivor myself having joined with 2 red ranks them as host is the only way i seen a rank 2 killer ever in my survivor games so what you are saying may be true but only if the red rank is hosting the swf in my experience.I am not trying to be a dick i really do like this game and just wish the dev team would spend a bit more effort on the console end of things.


  • AsePlayer
    AsePlayer Member Posts: 1,829

    @Peanits For the love of everything holy do NOT base matchmaking off of the highest person's MMR or we're going back to the current issue we have now with matchmaking.

    Please go back to averages. Save us.

  • twistedmonkey
    twistedmonkey Member Posts: 4,307
    edited January 2020

    That's a match making issue as has been stated.

    The system is taking the highest ranked player to match with.

    The issue is queue times as by doing this they add a lot more players to be matched in red ranks with these swf pulling all ranks into it. What seems to happen then is their match making widens so much waiting that it eventually grabs any game available which just so happens to be the lower ranks where the killers are more abundant.

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342

    You don't need proof, I know exactly what you're talking about. Like we've already said, several times now, that kind of matchmaking is because of bugs in the system that match the killer with survivors of the wrong rank, not because of the design of the SWF matchmaking system.

  • KrazyAce13
    KrazyAce13 Member Posts: 333

    i fgured swf would be a touchy subject but to blatantly disregard the abuse of the matchmaking is kind of sad that people will go to whatever lengths to keep swf as broken as it is. All i am saying is your reasoning behind matchmaking has nothing to do with y post and also the way you are saying the matchmaking for swf is supposed to be isnt and i have indisputable proof saying otherwise.