Why Barbecue & chilly shows the survivors’ aura but “We’re gonna live forever” doesn’t give any info
Why “Barbecue & chilly” shows the survivors’ aura but “We’re gonna live forever” doesn’t show the killer’s aura or at least give some info?
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We're Gonna Live Forever is not a fair counterpart to BBQ.
BBQ has the aura-reading to encourage killers to leave the hook, sure. (Not really, it just tells killers when to camp, and that includes when survivors take the killer's advice and hide in a locker to hide their aura from the killer.) It's supposed to encourage the killer to play in a more fair manner.
We're Gonna Live Forever does not encourage healthy gameplay. In fact, it does the opposite; It encourages hook-rushing so that they can beat others to the hook for their stack. Survivors do not get the most of the 60-second Entity summon or struggle. They get less time to work on gens. There are fewer survivors working on gens. The hooked survivor gets tunneled after the unhook. The killer learns that camping is good.
We're Gonna Live Forever needs to be re-worked completely.
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Yeah you are right! WGLF needs a rework for sure! It's not fair to force the survivors stop doing what they are doing and go for an unhook or risk dying by taking a hit... just to farm some bp. Survivors should be able to get these stacks by doing coop actions too ! By the way here is a famous killer main (Otzdarva) answering this question (If WGLF needs a rework/buff) on twitch!
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BBQ is DLC, "We’re gonna live forever” is free
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ive been saying to buff to WGLF for awhile
an increased healing speed, see killer aura or anything to make it more than a farming perk
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BBQ is a Killer perk, therefore, it needs to be stronger than it's Survivor counterpart.
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I'm lost for words with that question...
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Interesting idea. I’d like to see WGLF be a counterpart to BBQ.
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BBQ encourages killers to range out from the hook to seek other survivors, you can also avoid the aura by hiding in lockers, behind gens or using distortion. WGLF on the other hand is insanely easy to get stacks. alot of killers run BBQ for the BP not for the aura, its a nice bonus but doesnt really hinder survivors too much, not only that but lets be honest survivor is insanely easy and doesnt need perks to do well.
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BBQ & Chilli is a tracking perk, why do survivors need to track the killer?
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Another ######### idea by a survivor main.
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because bbq gives killer an incentive to go on the opposite side of the map
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Because BBQ was designed with survivors also in mind so killers have a reason to leave the hook to try and help stop camping hence why they can only see them from a set distance away.
The only thing I would say is a bit meh about WGLF is if all four survivors ran it the chances of getting full stacks is very low unless you take protection hits. It then becomes a run to the killer to take hits game when someone is downed.
I would prefer more ways to get stacks from WGLF but I dont think it needs anything else.
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That's a weak argument. Yeah, BBQ needs it's additional effect and survivor perks shouldn't be as strong as killer perks.
But WGLF basicly is a non-effect perk for the actual gameplay. So asking for actual giving it some makes sense. Especially considering another argument other give here, that BBQs aura reading walks hand in hand with the idea to incentive a "healthier" playstyle. WGLF has a long history for doing the opposite. Even after the "safe unhook" it didn't got completely rid of it.
That's why I wouldn't mind another change or rework, which like BBQ helps survivors to play "healthier". The big question is what would that be and how we achieve that, without it beeing too strong, because OPs suggestions are not fitting/too strong.
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Another mad killer main that can’t even start a normal discussion... It would be that bad if the guy you rescue from the hook can see the killer’s aura for a few secs so he won’t get tunneled or if all survivors can see the aura of the rescued survivor so they can go heal him?
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Well what if the guy you rescue from the hook could see the killer’s aura for a few secs so he won’t get tunneled or if all survivors can see the aura of the rescued survivor so they can go heal him?
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I wouldn't buff it to make it competitively as good as BBQ, but I would buff the BP ratio from 100% to either 150% or 200%, really get an advantage out of using the perk to make using the perk and running a game with only 3 perks worthwhile. The 100% is a buff to bp, but not enough to be worthwhile taking compared to a perk that will simply make you live longer, with less obligation to put yourself in harms way.
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BBQ does also have more limitations on it. The killer gets one stack each time he hooks a different survivor; hooking the same survivor twice doesn't give him another stack. Meanwhile, WGLF not only doesn't have that sort of limitation, but it also gives stacks both for safe unhooks and for protection hits.
The only info I can think of to give survivors for running WGLF that would complement what it gives stacks for would be to show the aura of the survivor/killer while the killer is carrying the survivor. But it's not really necessary to give info. WGLF encourages survivors to help each other and offers a BP reward for it. BBQ encourages killers to spread the love and hook all the survivors and gives a BP reward for it. Yes, the killer gets info from BBQ, but getting the killer away from the hook benefits survivors; camping killers are one of the most complained about things in this game.
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Well what if the guy you rescue from the hook could see the killer’s aura for a few secs so he won’t get tunneled or if all survivors can see the aura of the rescued survivor so they can go heal him? That wouldn’t make the perk too strong..
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lol
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When a survivor uses WGLF it means he wants to farm bp and he get stacks by saving teamates or by taking a hit for them! Now that you know what the perks does... tell me what is the point of using WGLF with kindred ?? Did they change the perk to get stacks when you get rescued? No! So what are you even talking about? xD Also yeah the rest survivors can see the hooked one but lets be honest... usually some survivors prefer to do the gens instead of healing/unhooking someone and they think that someone else will go unhook/heal him especially if you play solo...so If a survivor gets rescued and the other 2 are doing gens and the killer chasing someone... then it wouldn’t be a bad idea to be able to see the injured aura...survivors could even use this information to avoid going where the injured is if the killer is chasing them at least it’s better than nothing...
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Killers tend to average around 300K bloodpoints with Barbecue & Chili, while survivors tend to average around 12K bloodpoints with We're Gonna Live Forever.
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Yeah, its kind of wierd.
I think it should show you killer for 4 seconds every time someone is unhooked.
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Play killer, if you dont like it.
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32k bloodpoints is the max you can get
That's 64k with 4 stacks of bbq
And 96k is you run bps/pudding
Don't know where you got the 300k from
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I like to over-exaggerate. 😎
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Ummmm, no? I never got 300k BP with BBQ&Chilli, and I always get around 50k BP or more with WGLF.
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Not bad! I was just thinking to myself "how could a perk be made to punish killers for hooking survivors?"
Seriously tho, That first buff would be cancer with SWF. It's like getting a one way OoO with no downside just for being unhooked, and would just incentivize hook rushing. Throw BT, DS, and dead hard in there and you might as well call the game WGLF.
That would be way stronger than BBQ, and benefits the survivor for losing the chase.
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Just like you said there is also the risk that you won't get the stacks you need because someone else was faster and you think that the perk should stay the same? Basically what I meant is that the perk shouldn't stay the same because sometimes you may not even get the 4 stacks you need to or die trying to get them and let's be honest some survivors sometimes will unhook others even with the killer close just for the stacks... that's why a small buff would at least help the WGLF to actually do what it says xD Btw what if 4 survivors want to farm bp and they all bring WGLF that means everytime someone is down they will all leave the gens, go save the hooked survivor and just one survivor will get a stack... More like We are gonna die together... xD It's not that hard to farm bp with a killer because of BBQ.. A killer just do what he is supposed to.. he downs a survivor he hooks him and he sees the auras of the rest but survivors don't have an easy way to farm bp just by playing like they are supposed to.. because if everyone leave the gens for the unhook in the end they will all die because the gens were too slow... Maybe when a survivor rescues a hooked survivor everyone with WGLF should get a stack or when a survivor rescues the hooked survivor both the hooked and the rescuer should take a stack I don't know.. I am just saying ideas..but one thing for sure... WGLF needs a buff... Do you disagree?
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i really dont understand people comparing killer and survivor perks, they are two seperate role with different needs.
The aura reading from BBQ is here to force killers to leave the hook areas and focus on hooking everyone once while WGLF is just a perk to boost your total bloodpoints after each safe hooks/protection hits. (they changed it to any unhooks to safe unhooks a while ago to prevent hook farming).
i understand the perks have similarities and WGLF need a bit of love from BHVR but that doesnt mean they need to be as strong as the other as i said at the beginning of this post.
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It's not like we don't have bt.
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Well ok the first buff maybe is too op for swf... but survivors really need a decent perk to farm bp too just like the killers use BBQ and they do what they are supposed to.. they down a survivor they hook him and they see the auras of the rest survivors...WGLF should be something similar for survivors... a way to help them farm bp by doing coop actions too not just unhooking or taking a hit.. because if everytime someone is hooked everyone leave the gens for the unhook in the end they will all die because the gens were too slow... Maybe when a survivor rescues a hooked survivor everyone with WGLF should get a stack or when a survivor rescues the hooked survivor both the hooked and the rescuer should take a stack I don't know.. I am just saying ideas..but one thing for sure... WGLF needs a buff/rework
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Because you can literally get 3 stacks without much effort?
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Just make WGLF and We'll Make It into 1 perk
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If you really want to you can get the stacks I don't disagree but you spent time waiting for the unhook (instead of doing gens or heal someone injured for example) or you risk taking a hit and die... Imagine if you could get a stack from coop actions too for example if you heal a teamate for 1 health state? This way multiple people could get stacks and play like they supposed to instead of competing who is gonna unhook the other first...and stuff like that... but I don't think they will do that.. so that's why I was asking for some info instead...
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Honestly WGTF should have been merged with babysitter.
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We're gonna live forever this perk is like reducing your perk slots from 4 to 3 for extra blood points.. This perk IMO should have at least any little benefit it could be anything here's few ideas
- Unhooked person will see the killers aura for 4 seconds.
- You see the killers aura for 4 seconds when a survivor farther than 40 metres gets hooked.
- 10% extra healing speed when healing others doesn't work on self (doesn't stack with botany knowledge 33% healing speed).
What do you people think? or do you have better ideas?
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Remember when WGLF had 200% bp boost and survivors were killing each other to get stacks?
Thats why its weaker now. Survivors overdid it (yet again)
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I guess some killer mains can't understand or make a discussion... I TOLD you there is no reason for a survivor that wants to FARM bloodpoints to use kindred! A survivor who wants to farm bp will use his 3 other perks for survivability and most survivors won't use kindred anyway.. when there are perks like iron will ,dead hard ,sprint burst , bl, bt , ds , adrenaline , unbreakable , resilience etc...
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lol really? I hear this for first time xD I wasn't playing then...
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because its 16 vs 4 perks. you survivor mains have to stop thinking that your powers have to be equal to killer powers, because they dont. Its 4 vs 1 not 1 vs 1.
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Well swf could really take advantage if someone sees the killer for 4 secs so it's not that fair... but some kind of info between survivors / faster healing or get stacks from coop actions too would be good!
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Yeah right... but a killer that wants to farm just do what he is supposed to do. He downs a survivor he hooks him he see the aura of the rest survivors but survivors that wants to farm are forced to go for an unhook or take a hit so what if all the team has WGLF ? They all leave the gens to get a stack and they probably lose the game because the gens were too slow or take a hit and risk dying instead and what if you can't get the unhook because someone else was faster? Showing the killer's aura after unhook would be bad for the killer if they are swf so that shouldn't happen but It would be better if survivors get stacks from coop actions instead but they probably won't do that.. so at least get some kind of info or faster healing or something I don't know.. wouldn't be that bad..
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See I 100% agree that BBQ&C is extremely useful for BP gains and as a tracking perk for players. I would like WGLF to have a secondary effect, but they already added the effect probably best suited for it to "babysitter".
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Survivors, individually, do not get 4x more Bloodpoints than the killer though.
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Remember its just a worse version of kindred with a bonus of extra BP, but yeah agreed getting stacks right now is awful they gotta either make it somehow useful or an easier way of getting stacks.
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Agreed. More actions should give stacks. Just not sure which ones. Making healing and doing generators give stacks would be too easy.. Maybe every two full heals? Also unhooking yourself should give a stack.
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I love how people have an issue wiht buffing a weak perk
you are supposed to save teammates anyway, getting more points for it doesnt change that
...and imagine being a "main" kekw
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I don't disagree, I think it should absolutely get a bonus of so e kind, but I don't think it should be a change that affects killer. Better if it provides a temp buff to surv, there can be a few ways to do that possibly
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You are supposed to save your teamates anyway just like you said... but WGLF is a farming perk if everyone that wants to farm bp uses this perk what do you think it will happen? Every time someone is down or hooked the rest survivors will stop what they are doing to rescue the hooked survivor first or probably do the rescue while the killer is near so they can get a hit too for double stacks but should this perk forcing survivors to compete with each other and make them risk dying for "nothing" ? You should be able to get stacks by doing coop actions too at least... one thing is for sure... WGLF needs a buff...
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I use BBQ on most of my killers for the BP gain, not the tracking. I see the tracking as a bonus for when I've only got two survivors left, otherwise it's just to farm those sweet sweet blood points.
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