“Garbage” Killers getting “carried” by Spirit

They say that because she's a pretty easy killer to play and "master", not really requiring much from the player. People say the same about Freddy too because it's true. They're easy killers with not much of a skill ceiling but is it really a bad thing to have killers that are good but also easy to play as long as they aren't unfair? (Well... spirit kind of bends that second point a bit because her power literally offers no counterplay if the spirit has a pair of eyes and ears but she will still lose the match if the other 3 survivors are doing gens.)

Sounds are bugged even with stridor on, so good on you for getting the wins as spirit because im annoyed playing as her

I would laugh at those survivor's and just say "like you got carried by second changes perks, dude".

Why the hassle? The surv. of today can't bind their shoes without a perk that helps them out with it.

Those survs were just salty.

Yeah she is a little difficult to master when dealing with good survivors because they know how to counter her pretty well. Play who you like, they are probably just salty since they cant quite bully Spirit like other killer since she has no tell when phasing. People will complain about no counter play but her power is made to be inherently vague and hard for survivors to guess. People will say she is easy due to her power but tracking with broken sounds and working around perks that silence survivors or get rid of scratch marks can be detrimental to her.

I mean when she still had collision she was easy but she doesnt now, has the notoruis sound bugs and is somehow still easy?

Ok.

I used to be a very good Spirit main, then Plague released and I stopped playing Spirit as much. Then sounds got bugged :/

Spirit isn’t braindead like players claim. She requires map awareness, tracking, and opening your ears and listening which some people are not good at doing. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve lost a Spirit in a chase because she made a wrong prediction. I’ve seen more bad Spirits than good ones. She’s still low risk high reward though.

In an individual chase you’re gonna lose quickly, you still win by pumping out gens but you’ll typically lose a chase quickly with little counterplay which is why survivors tend to hate Spirit. Nothing you can do except cross your fingers she’s bad or can’t hear you due to buggy sounds. She’s just boring to face when all the chases are predictable.

You are at the mercy of the Spirit. Most other killers rely on survivor’s mistakes. Spirit relies on her own ability to track.

If they’re mad then let them be mad. Let the salt flow.

You make me laugh

There is one hard killer to play in this game, even at a basic level. That's Nurse. She has a high skill floor and ceiling.

There are a few more killers that are easier to learn the basics but hard to master at their full potential. Huntress, Demo, Billy and Oni come to mind.

There are killers that are mechanically easy but have some aspect of strategic gameplay that makes them hard in different ways to play at a high level. Those are Trapper and Hag. Sure you can just play Trapper as Man with Machete but you need good trap placements to even stand a chance vs good survs (you'll probably lose anyway cause he;s week but ok)

Besides those killers I listed, there's nothing else hard to play in this game. Spirit's skill floor is just a tad higher than general M1 killer skill floor but once you understand how her power works her ceiling gets extremely low.

Tip: Stand still at a pallet and watch them freak out

You just showed you have no idea of what "skill ceiling" is.

I agree Spirit has a high skill ceiling although after playing her enough I'd also argue that anyone with headphones will do far better as her compared to other killers with a lot less effort. She's one of those killers who can be played skillfully or brainlessly and have similar outcomes. Although I'd lean more towards yes playing Spirit can get you more kills as a bad player than if you were to play other killers like let's say Wraith. Although Spirit definitely doesn't have a higher skill ceiling than Nurse / Huntress.

Considering Spriit's power is basically just a massive lunge where survivors cannot see you and all you need to do is listen for footsteps, grass moving or in some cases their grunts of pain. If sound stops you can just assume they quit moving or are walking near where you last saw them.

To me the difference between a good Spirit and a bad one is Spirit players who are able to track even without sounds or can deal with Iron Will effectively. Bad ones rely on stuff like Stridor too much although I'll compromise and acknowledge sounds are broken half the time so I get why it's used. Mind you not all Spirit's who use Stridor are bad but the majority of them I notice using them are pretty bad and tend to tunnel a lot.

Yes, that's exactly what a skill ceiling is.

If you think using your ears and winning guessing games that are rigged in your favor in the first place has more skill expression than knowing the potential for a chainsaw in every single loop/tile in this game, I'd say you're objectively wrong, and that the overwhelming majority of people who play this game for a living would agree with me. If you're born with ears and the minimum of situational awareness you should NOT lose survivors while you're phasing. Not even if they're using Iron Will.

I also play fighting games buddy. And many other kinds of competitive games.That doesn't make you special, nor does it make your point more valid.

And I honestly don't feel like discussing this with someone who can't display a tad of civility when disagreeing with someone so goodbye