why dont killers have second chance perks ?

Survivor wins with no perks, on abusing safe loops alone.

Killer requires perks for information, stability, and control.

When you add perks that grant survivors immunity to the mix, then you make the game unbalanced and stress free for the role that should be scared. It's a horror game, and it's not being treated like one.

PGTW: Gives a balanced amount of reduction to kicking a generator.

NOED, Bloodwrden, Rancor, Remember Me: Sacrifice perks needed to balance the game, to instead optimize and balance EGC.

Spirit Fury: You have to go through 2 pallets just to get one use out of it, that could cost you 2-3 gens easily, just to get one use.

PWYF: Isn't even a second chance perk. It's a perk where you deliberately ignore attacking the obsession to maintain a more balanced amount of movement speed in other chases. If you attack you lose stacks, and then have to waste time - not catching the obsession again.

Bbq and chili and Thrilling Tremors: Information and Gen regression perks are not second chances, they are balancing the game.

Can't even get into a locker and hide - it's a hiding place for survivors to jump out and scare you.

Use small game I don't see what's so hard about that my friend. Please be reasonable and kind to fellow player I give solution you push back it break my small heart

I'm late to the party, but "second chance" perks are different for killers than they are for survivors.

All 2nd chance perks for survivors enable them to achieve an outcome without the help of another survivor.

Decisive Strike: Escape the killer's grasp. Alternative = Pallet stuns, locker stuns, flashlight saves, and breakout from another survivor come to mind.

Unbreakable: Pick yourself up from the dying state. Alternative = Another survivor heals you

Dead Hard: Avoid damage and gain additional distance. Alternative = Another bodyblocking survivor tanks a hit.

Borrowed Time: Avoid a killing blow and gain additional distance. Alternative = Another bodyblocking survivor tanks a hit.

Endgame perks aren't the same in that they don't directly help a killer gain a hit or down on a survivor the way survivor perks will directly aid the survivor in a losing position.

NoED: Does not directly aid a killer in gaining a hit or down. Can be prevented entirely.

Blood Warden: Does not directly aid a killer in gaining a hit or down.

There is a distinct difference between the two roles. As such, 2nd chance perks can't be directly compared since the killer doesn't have another player to aid them in place of a perk the way survivors do.

The killer must still play somewhat skillfully to get something out of NoED and Blood Warden. The same cannot be said for the Survivor 2nd chance perks.

What I love about your idea supporting Spirit fury as a second chance perk is

A. In the scenario you describe where the survivors are dropping pallets early, this means that Spirit fury doesn't come into play then, does it?

B. If that's the case, it also means Spirit fury can't be considered a second chance perk, because say surv A drops pallets early against you, and you drop them after the required tokens are acheived, Surv B takes you to a pallet loop thinking they're safe with the pallet stun, then boom Spirit fury activated; well that's absolutely not a second chance because you were planning for that.

And there my friends is the inherent distinction between a second chance perk and an insurance perk; Second chances arise from scenario's that you can't control but a universal tool keeps you safe, where as insurance perks are banked on and planned on.

So for instance, the difference between DS and Adrenaline is with Adrenaline, you plan and invest on seeing that benefit at the end of the game one way or the other, if you died before then it wouldn't have mattered so you play it with intention. DS is a perk you may not even need to use depending on how the match unfolds, it punishes the killer for playing by creating an artificial rule he has to subject himself to, and there is no real way to counter the perk when it's active. But the really defining contrast is DS doesn't require anything on the survivor side, there is no investment other than adding the perk to a slot.

NOED also doesn't require the killer any investment for it to activate, so it would be considered a second chance perk EXCEPT remember what I said about being able to counter the perk? NOED will never even trigger if Survivors break all the totems. This means NOED is more of a late game gamble than an actual second chance perk. DS will always activate when a Survivor gets off the hook with it, that perk could never fall under the term useless because it's very existence means at best, you are invincible for 1 whole minute to be as reckless as you want, and at worst, you get slugged on the ground, which if you can dictate when the killer slugs, is actually a strong benefit to your team as the killer is gambling not advancing the hook state for a chance to snowball, and typically the risk isn't worth it if you aren't within earshot of another survivor.

It's in the title, people are arguing about the perceived existence of second chance perks on one side or another, and the guy you were speaking to was arguing against the idea of Spirit Fury as a second chance perk.

Is that enough of a play by play for you? With that kind of situational awareness, you obviously can't be as good a killer player as you tend to imply

The way he explained his reasoning isn't great, but what he's expressing is simple enough- Survivors have more than enough tools to handle their business without the use of stacked second chance perks, but they enhance the survivors immensely. Meanwhile, for most killers perks ARE there only tools, and those tools more often than not require work on the killer side, or else they require direct action from the killer to achieve. Honestly I don't think Survivors have MANY second chance perks, but DS is absolutely one of them because DS is essentially inevitable, you can't take the effects of it away from survivors, which is either

A. 60 second immunity

B. Compelling killer to slug in a bad position where they may not want to slug you or in a time where slugging you is inefficient, or

C. A perk that gives you one free escape, which is made even worse when you consider the killer may have downed you next to a jungle gym or shack.

Noed: gives kills if you aren't good enough to kill all survivors before they do gens.

Bamboozle: closes windows so you don't have to bother anymore, and you can play without trying to mindgame them

Enduring+spirit fury: basically gives you a free hit, or a free down if you are a killer that has instadown, like billy. Someone said to me that you can counter that by throwing every pallet before the killer is in the stun area. Ok then, good luck wasting every pallet on the man, I'm curious to see what happens when there will be no pallets anymore.

Mori: basically gives you a free win, unless you have many holes in the brain

Broken addons, like red hatchets: same as mori

Map offerings: allow you to play the map you want, even one that's extremely favourable for you.

Spirit: requires very little skill, compared to other killers. And, apart from specific perks like iron will and quick and quiet, has no counters.

So, were you saying?

Yeah but he has counters