SWF opt-out

I understand the frustrating. I for sure sometimes dodge SWF groups. But there is no way they would do that. It would be a really dumb move on the part of their future hopes for the game sustaining them financially.

Hey ya know all those people who play together? You mean the people who probably make up more than half of the survivor population? Yeah lets give killers the chance to entirely avoid them. Really bad business move.

Reminds me of someone asking for an option to avoid DLC killers. Like seriously? Hey guys we wan't you to PAY Us extra money to play as these killers. But we will let anyone avoid a killer they want.

Also disagree to the person who said 90% of the time solo players are useless. I feel the game is most fair when it is solo players. Most of the time they're good. Every now and then you get a lame who dc's because he got downed fast.

It is a terrible move to allow people to opt out SWF. Killers can at least endure SWF but survivors will not play the game if they can not play it without their friends. It seems to me that most of the time SWFs do not play to win the game since It is really easy to win with voice comms.

They can give the killer extra perk slots or addons or BPs etc. but I do not think that they will remove SWF in the future. Killers have to deal with it sadly.

It would be interesting if they had a game mode that allowed the killer to have a partner. 6 survivors, 2 killers, 7 generators.

@Visionmaker said:
The game is fun with friends.

The game is not as fun without friends.

I respectfully disagree with that statement. When I play survivor, I have just as much fun running solo as I do with SWF. Honestly, I probably have a bit more fun because of the element of surprise is there more than it is with comms.

@Visionmaker said:
They should introduce an AI mode for killers who cannot stand the challenge. 

You mean like survivors standing the challenge of playing this game how it was intended to be played, no friends, no comms, 4 strangers against a killer. Maybe survivors could also use an AI mode as well.

@HellDescent said:
Killers don't play the game to amuse and entertain swf parties. Go play kyf.

Most play this game to enjoy it as swf, so they have just as much right to have fun as the killer does. So who cares because you'll dc and or lobby dodge against 4 solos if you can't down someone. Don't get the map you wanted as killer, quit, don't like the offerings, quit.

I've watched as 4 ppl all join singly repeatedly and the killer dodges because gasp the survivors dare bring 1 or more fl, tb, med kits. I've watched killers dodge the moment they see more than 1 P3. What quite a few of you complainers actually want are easy games, not a challenge.

When I'm killer i could care less if it's a swf group with 4 fl or 4 DS. I'm going to try and kill everyone regardless of who you are or what you bring. I enjoy the challenge and quite often I get wrecked, but I also get 4ks occasionally as well. I use their strengths against them since I know how they'll play, someones hooked well someones coming to rescue.

Because I know how they'll play I know which ways they'll take to go for that rescue and quite often the hooked person gets to stage 2 on the hook. While they might get rescued now they'll do everything they can to avoid my attention. If I find that person the others will quite often body block for them.

That means between 1-4 people are now not on gens and I get free hits in thus making them stay off gens longer. There's the added benefit that taking on swf makes you a better killer over the long run since you sharpen your reflexes. Your bad habits as a killer get exposed, the mistakes you make and get away with you can't get away with anymore.

@Utna said:

Nice story dude. Still the game was not designed to support team communication, so its balance is wrecked because of SWF parties. Those are not complaints, nor this is an epic tale about how we can overcome our weaknesses. This are just facts.

But hopefully, when the balance will be found eventually, that day feel free to complain about the game being too easy, and we might discuss a solution to fix your personnal problem.

The game has ahd swf for quite some time now yet you and others like you use that solely a a complaint. I don't have a personal problem with the game on either side but nice failed insult try there. Do I think the game has issues of course, all games do.

But see unlike you and a few others I don't use those as crutches nor excuses, I choose to take challenges head on. You think the survivors sitting at the campfire won't talk to each other, in game they won't possibly use hand sings, they won't talk to each other in game.

They won't be in game hey I saw the killer go that way, we should go work on the gen over there. That's where the communication thing comes in. There's going to be some form or other and you think that the 4 solo players aren't going to use voice?

The swf is here to stay and you know that people like to play with friends. Those friends like to talk to each other and most swf groups are there to just enjoy the game. They laugh at their mistakes and those of the killer, yell, complain about same, insult each other for bad plays etc.

All games aren't designed the way they eventually evolve into, changes get made and new things come while old things sometimes leave.It's the nature of the gaming industry, change is constant and if you don't change you die out, simple as that.

But when they finally change things in regards to swf perhaps having a non ranked mode, you lot will still blame it or something else. Because for you few there's always something that has to be to blame.

@HellDescent said:

The topic of this discussion is to have an option to opt-out from swf. If you wanna play swf I couldn't care less, it's up to you. A lot of people don't want survivors on comms and toxic games. So don't try to justify that swf is equally fare to everyone. A lot of people don't want to be put in those lobbys. So the only 3 choices to make here is to blacklist any kind of communications, which is impossible to do, give the killer a heads up before the game that he'll be going up against a bunch survivors on mics constantly communicating with each other about where the killer at and what he's doing, in order to create a different one if he wishes so or an option to opt-out from swf completely.

As has been discussed ad nauseum they're not going to give you an opt out option and the toxic games how often does that actually happen? Riot games along with MIT I believe did a study on toxicity and how it's remembered. The study found that most games where the person remembered toxicity there wasn't actually any at all.

But because they'd had a bad game experience sometime prior that carried over to a future game or games. Because when asked to remember specific bad games, they were then shown the chat logs form those games and realized it wasn't a toxic game at all.

So the whole toxic swf is just an excuse and or a subliminal thing that isn't based upon fact but upon emotion. I've actually said if you want an opt out option then you should be given it but at a price. You should never be allowed out of that option ever again without buying a new game.

The response you few killer mains give is why should you be locked out if you paid for the game. Well why should you get a special lobby versus people that bought the game and want to enjoy with friends? Besides if you're so against swf and will always dodge them or if you think it's swf dodge.

Therefore you should have no issue with being permanently put into a solo queue only lobby system. That way you can never go into a lobby that might contain a swf just to dodge them. I've yet to see a single killer asking for opt outs agree to this.

The reason is simple, you all know your lobby wait times will be atrocious and so you don't want to take your medicine you asked for so to speak. If 70% of all games lobbies are swf that leaves you with 30% non swf which means you'd ahe to share those lobbies with others.

Now since there's be less players to go around your wait times would make the match waiting times now due to the match making but look like a cakewalk. So in essence you only want opt outs for when it's convenient because if lobby waits are short you can dodge with impunity.

But if lobby wait times are intense you won't dodge because otherwise you won't get a lobby for a very long time. I've had games where at rank 1-2 in early am PST timezone there'd be a pool of perhaps 20 survivors.The killers would dodge because they didn't want to face certain solo groups but eventually they had no choice because there wasn't a large enough pool of ppl.

So if given the choice between lobbies with probably wait times of 15 minutes to 2 hours or quicker lobbies we all know you'll choose the quicker lobbies. But again I'd love to see them give you the 1 time opt out option and make you all choose and get locked into it.

Guys (@Baphomett and @powerbats ), here we're discussing a problem and its possible solution. You have the right to not believe in said problem, no harm done, but for G sake, don't come here to disrupt our nice conversation. If you wish so, there is plenty room in this forum. Feel free to start a new conversation where you might complain about people complaining too much.

Just to be clear: I'm not saying you shouldn't tell us how you feel about our point of view. But there is another place for that, because here is the place where we talking about possible solution for killers tired of the SWF groups.

So here I go : I do not believe the devs can cut SWF off the game, nor they can separate them in the lobbies from the solo players ... in fact I believe solo player are usefull to SWF mostly as filler to reach the mandatory 4 survivors. I feel the killer should not be rewarded either for having players cheating on his own game (voice com were never part of the game, hence those are cheats).

So I believe the solution should be to remove perk slot to the SWF players. One less perk slot for each friend teamate. This might encourage SWF to go with teams of 2 instead of 4 which might be much better for the game balance.

@Utna said:

So here I go : I do not believe the devs can cut SWF off the game, nor they can separate them in the lobbies from the solo players ... in fact I believe solo player are usefull to SWF mostly as filler to reach the mandatory 4 survivors. I feel the killer should not be rewarded either for having players cheating on his own game (voice com were never part of the game, hence those are cheats).

So I believe the solution should be to remove perk slot to the SWF players. One less perk slot for each friend teamate. This might encourage SWF to go with teams of 2 instead of 4 which might be much better for the game balance.

Ok voice comss aren't cheats the same as perks aren't cheats and both sides need to stop with the excuse that something is a cheat. The devs have flat out said voice comss aren't cheats nor are perks so just stop.

As far as removing how often do you actually face a full 4 man swf really? Most often when I swf it's with 1 person and then usually only for a few games. When I'm solo most often there's only a duo swf group. When I'm a killer it's rare to face more than a duo swf.

Removing perks just because someone wants to have fun isn't the way to go and adding a 5th perk slot probably isn't either. What will really help killers is better map balance to start cough Barn cough.. If the remove and or tweak the endless loop spots as they've already started doing that's more of an immediate impact.

Since if you add a 5th perk slot you have t deal with balance again, because now you just whacked the balance adjustments you made for that killer. You add a 5th slot now does that really help the killer or make them weaker in the sense that they start taking perks not effective etc.

What does that do to their power curve then, do you have to stop and change the improvements you had already planned. If you add a 5th perk slot you run into the law of unintended consequences. Similar to when they introduced one thing and it became looping.

I don't have a problem with giving killers bonus bp or perhaps a bonus versus swf, but how do you balance that for the solo queue players? How hard is it to make the buffs only work against the swf people without letting the killer know who's who?

Since if the killer knows players 1 and 2 are swf or even 1-3 he'll tunnel and camp the solo queues because they're much easier.