SWATTING - A storm to come
So with this new issue here with the game. There is the killers that are now slugging people and just standing there watching them. Normally players DC. when this happens.
After what I read on external forums (about this game)of people talking about and I quote from someone "Maybe someone just start swatting these killers or dox them to teach them a lesson". is what was on a forum. I found a few others. I am not going to link them here.
This is what Behavior has caused now. Where someone will have a survivor that cannot leave the match and they are perhaps very unstable and this WILL happen. Someone WILL cause someone to get swatted. I don't know about any of you, but I have 4 close people in my life that had worked directly in law enforcement.
. One of which, my spouse's father was on a SWAT team for a major U.S. city and the other neighbor of mine also was on our state's police SWAT team. When they go in. They go in with heavy law enforcement response and any tip received is considered a "deadly threat". So they will respond with "deadly force".
2 years ago this happened in Kansas, I use to work in the area where this happened. Where people had an argument online and a gamer did NOT make it out of the situation ALIVE. Police tactics will NEVER change, especially with the bureaucracy we have. So this is a tip to Any person that is working in the gaming industry. We know bans and penalties help mitigate stuff. But this game's community becomes unhinged very easily. Especially just reading what is said in chat at the end of every match.
If those of you think that they are not obligated for the outcome of someone else's response, you are wrong. It does effect sales. Especially when parents take their kids to purchase these games at a gamestore. My bud use to manage a gamestop and that was one of the things asked was about safety and what swattings were. Maybe 1 title not sold isn't a big deal. But many titles not being sold, happen. Especially during a swatting that makes the news. He said the sales on "that game" went clear down in his store after that. For MONTHS.
This more or less isn't about people being law abiding citizens. Video games are sold to all age groups and just because one person may be a mature adult, doesn't mean that the next person is or will be. I really , firmly stand by this. That this IS going to happen and that publishers NEED to adjust a few things, to take some of the stress down a slight-bit of a notch.
I'd say 5 minutes is good enough and leave it at that.
Stay safe.
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Would you recommend using a VPN to protect your identity online and get some questionable hits
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BHVR didnt cause this. Toxic people are toxic.
They will always be that way.
I wouldnt doubt if they ranted that over change X or Y before.
Either way, these people are scum, and BHVR didnt make them that way. This just happens to be the game they're currently playing.
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Won't they need your adress to do something like that?
As long as you keep your personal info to yourself there's no real issue right?
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There is a lot in the game that allows people to be toxic. It's time the developers did something.
In the case of slugging it's simple. Bleed out button. Doesn't need to be instant but if it just cut the time down from 4 minutes to 2 minutes that would be something.
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The last person caught for swatting is in prison for 25 years to life if someone is dumb enough to do that thinking law enforcement wont find them they will have another thing coming it does not matter someones age if someone dies thats man slaughter.
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You are resonsible for your own actions, not BHVR.
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Sad part know one takes the toxicity dangers seriously on these forums because it's just a game. The Devs have created the divide. Between Survivors and Killers.
I rather not be one sided on this game but it's hard not to because the only role I enjoy is Killer.
I noticed Devs have been promoting the Entitlement of Survivors by how they talk in the live streams. As Killer main I'm hurt by this because I enjoy the game devs created and give to them money. They spit in my face and the Survivor community giving constant kicks to the gut.
I know Dbd Always been kinda Toxic but people are already starting to steep to new lows.
KILLERS and Survivors
It's becoming a war zone for the ones passionate for the game..
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You can easily find someones ip address which then you can use to find their address.
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In some countrys is swatting directly against the law and in the most indirectly (indirectly - because not every country has up-to date laws for the internet, but they have for sure other laws that they can then use for that guy).
What I mean is: The person who trys to swat someone will either get in jail, lose a ton of money for the courts or a combination of both.
I don't know if it is forbidden in my country if I am honest, but it wouldn't surprise me, if a swatter by us would need to pay the deployment of the police to 100% (something that goes easilie in the ten of thousands of Euros), not to mention the trouble he will get for the court because he had call the police for no acceptable reason (and with a evil reason in mind) and I bet the victim will also bring him for some reason for the court - aka. if he is not poor before all the trouble starts - he will it be after :).
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He does have some reason, with the last patch BHR changed Doctor's chase music, if you pick the new tune and run it backwards you will hear a subliminal frequency that encourages people to call the SWATs against other players and start using "I cant believe its not butter" instead of regular butter with their breakfast toasts, this all in conjunction with The Milkman and several renegade Illuminatti members to opose Lalilulelo and the reptilians from Omicron Persei 8.
The Housing Committee is NOT gonna like this...
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The point about people swatting isn't false, but... It's not on BHVR. I have this viewpoint on a lot of things like this: it's just human nature. People complain about anything, and people just having better attitudes about things would solve the problem, but that's asking too much. People would rather pin the blame and cry a river than actually think sometimes.
Unfortunately, it's just a people problem. People will do stupid terrible things like that, and the responsibility is on the individual who does it. Not the introduction of a DC penalty system.
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To far
As much crap as I give BHVR, it is never their faults for people's toxic behavior, that is just how some people are.
Swatting is an issue far beyond what the developers of games can do, nor are they the cause of it.
These things happen, because there are sick and demented people that need to go to therapy, and nothing short of that.
The action of swatting, like words, are personal actions and controlled by only the doer. Yes it sucks, yes I wish it wouldn't be a thing. But it is, and it is sad.
Hopefully, swatting will be taken more seriously, and the ones in question ejected from society to get some help.
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I've had someone threaten to do something similar to swatting to me (contact my local authorities [name dropping where I live] and tell them I am going to commit 'sudoku'), reported it, and the person was not permanently banned. I did, however, have a message come in on Xmas Eve stating that they'd disregard my report because it didn't have all the evidence (video was included, showing the profile URL, wrong report type was apparently selected). I re-submitted it and BHVR said they'd look into it. Dude is still playing = Thumbs Up
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Anyone who is insane enough to consider swatting has no one to blame but themself and would probably be willing to do so regardless of what BHVR or any vg company does to "mitigate" it.
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Thank you for making this post - was going to make my own. Just spent around 10 minutes with a Infinite Tier 3 Myers with Knock Out and Third Seal just slugging people and waiting for them to bleed out- no one hooked the entire time just get up, back down, get up, etc, even with 3 unbreakables we couldn’t scratch his proxying. It. Was. Hell.
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That Myers sounds hilarious. Good for him. He probably got tired of dealing with genrushing, teabagging toxic SWF and took it out on the next group
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Yes, remove the chance of teammates healing you because you're impatient.
Let's stop trying to veil wanting to DC without penalties as any other reason. "Let me bleed out faster because I want to give up".
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I mean endgame. Why would someone bleed out when there are other survivors left to pick them up?
Stop getting riled by the thought of something taking away your precious 4k
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Bleeding out is part of the game. Slugging is a tactic. You have plenty of counters to it. Survivors in no way need yet another spoon fed way out of something.
Killer's best friend is time. Slugging provides them time.
Stop getting riled by the though of something taking away your precious 4-minutes.
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Its a very dull part of the game. Again though you’re not looking at this in context. The OP clearly states killers leaving survivors to bleed out while watching over them.
Why are the killer mains always conveniently glossing over this? Just be honest its because you dont want anything to interfere with slugging for the 4k because it means that much to you....even though the killer has the ability to close the hatch now.
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Literally any excuse against the 5 min DC penalty.
Wowow
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Nobody is glossing over it being "dull". Nobody cares about it being dull. Being looped is also very dull. Around and around in a circle, drop safe pallet, rinse, repeat. Abuse god window, rinse repeat. You don't think that's dull?
Deal with it. Not everything needs to be done to suit survivors delicate sensibilities. When you get slugged, it's part of the game, and it's called pressure. Just like when you loop a killer, it's called a distraction so your team can do gens.
I can see why people talk to you how they do. You're biased and one-sided, and want everything spoon fed to you. You're not worth the keystrokes because you blatantly ignore all logic. Later, lol
/discussion
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I'm guessing this is DBD's 6th circle of hell?
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The anti DC penalty crowd is reaaaally grasping for straws now.
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Ok thanks for the salty reply.
Again you keep going on about “pressure”. Its like your purposefully ignoring the fact that in the context of this thread it was NOT about “pressure” slugs, it was about slugging people and leaving them to bleed out just to ruin the game for them. There’s a huge difference and the fact that you keep ignoring this makes me question your motives.
As for the rest of your post I’ve said many times that god loops are dull and should be removed, so much for the bias huh? The forum is full of killer mains and they can’t stand to hear any defense of “the other side”.
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Salty reply - says the guy mewling about being slugged. Yep, I'm the salty one.
Get slugged and deal with it. Or DC. Either is fine by me.
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You know if the players drop from this game its because of attitudes like this.
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It will actually be because people like you want everything nerfed, which is going to overbalance the game into a snoozefest.
o/
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That are the exact facts.
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Really now? We're creating concern troll threads about swatting to justify removing the DC penalties? Anyone who is toxic and dangerous enough to swatt another individual over a video game has issues and it's not the fault of Behaviour implementing a DC ban system.
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To the swatting topic:
Regardless of what people want to think. THis is the harsh reality to "chew on". and yes BHVR caused this. People tend to FORGET this game is NOT region locked, and there ARE people from various countries that play this game. WHERE if they do lash out. They are NOT going to be in trouble for what they did. and certainly Canada or the States won't exactly be able to file an extraditionary charge against someone in another country.
The rest of the post:
They should have left things ALONE and NOT implemented DC penalties until they could fix the game to the point where cohesive counters in the game were fixed. Yes, a 5 minute timeout. FAIR. a stacking timeout is NOT a good idea.
Let us not forget about people with NORMAL LIVES, that play games. not the try-hard gamer that is here. Is their kids screaming in the background because one of them wants something? If players are unable to grasp this concept of being a responsible, mature person here and stating this is "Crying about a long deserved happening". news flash. You wont have a game that will remain here much longer. Both because of player safety and because people have NORMAL LIVES. outside of looping pallets and trying to do generators. Oh and enjoy Q times of nearly an HOUR, because of how many people DO have normal lives.
Now they have a game that has no interest to them, because they did rack up that penalty, due to the "fall off" that was so great.. yeah, that is a really good idea (not).
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I was just thinking - wasn't there a thread made by a survivor main in here a few days ago saying that killers were the most toxic part of DBD, with all the usual suspects chiming in to agree, and then getting destroyed by people with brains?
Yes...survivors threatening to swat killers, and killers are the toxic ones.
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I will just say that slugging werent a problem in the past so... Why does killers slug?
Becuz patience is gone already.Killer community is tired.
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We do live in an impatient society and people like "Rapid fire gaming" it is why people are here instead of playing an MMO . You want "hot action" in a game that feels "high octane". Hence why survivors run around leaving scratch marks on the ground, instead of hiding in corners.
But then again. you look at how the game has been forced-shifted into this mentality. We go from hiding, to about EVERY perk under the sun, that gives killers a FREE PASS to locations of survivors.
"Go hide in a locker". -- What locker, they took half of them out.
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Lol my precious 4k? I play more survivor than killer hon, and I've said that many times.
I'd you cant handle 4 minutes of a game with you bleeding out, maybe you shouldn't play. 🤷♀️
It's not the end of the ######### world. You're on here a lot, apparently, so spend that 4 mins looking at the forums instead of bitching about how you cant bleed out faster when you lose.
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They took out half the lockers? That's news to me. Can you show me witch patch notes say this?
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Its a meaphor FFS. I dont know how long you have played this game. IDK. go look it up yourself. IM not here to be the index to this game. Its been awhile back. They have certainly done quite a bit.
- Dev stream sometime ago.. simple times with simple... They shrunk pallet circles.
- Nothing was mentioned about the add-on nerfs to the green map.
- The medkits with purple bottle and pink syringe, nerfed.
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They also buffed lockers so they make survivors immune to every aura perk. BT was buffed after Legion got added. Nurse and Spirit were nerfed. Plus they just nerfed the most popular killer perk.
The dev team gets way too much flack for being biased for one side over the other.
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This person slugged me! Time to commit a felony and spend 25 years in prison because I'm a moron.
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I play vastly more than than the average player and this literally has not happened to me a single time. This is either way over exaggerated or they are playing toxic and that was the killers response.
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Maybe since I am not an american I don't see that as a threat, but wouldn't cops like knock on the door first to realize the situation instead of barging in?
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So TLDR: Slugging and bleeding out survivors = SWAT.
I feel like this post is heavily exaggerated. The most I've been threatened with in 3k+ hours is a DOS attack (which never happened). Of course I've been threatened physically but I never take those seriously, just laugh at their pathetic attempts of scaring me over a game.
There will always be a special kind of person who does SWAT, but the likelihood of it happening to anyone here is extremely unlikely IMO.
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The vast majority of people that threaten to do anything even remotely close to SWATting, ddos or even just straight up "I'll come to you and do something bad to you" is nothing more than internet tough guys trying to be scary. I'm by no means saying it's fine for people to threaten with that sort of thing or encourage it, but there's a very high chance that whoever wrote that post whereever you saw it wouldn't actually do it, or it was just a straight up shitpost.
And even if someone actually does it, that's not the game or BHVR's fault at all. If someone actually does something like that over a game the issue is undeniably the person doing it and absolutely nothing else, and boy must they have some issues to get to that point.
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In Swatting the caller will say that their is an armed person with hostages or that they've already killed people. Maybe they'll say they have a bomb. The whole point is to ensure only the SWAT teams show up and not normal police officers.
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but won't even swat make a recon of the location before they enter?
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When it's life and death, they knock a couple times, and are actually authorized to break down doors. They have to treat everything as a potential emergency, even if it's potentially a hoax.
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Bubba is going to the basement. Oh no, we need to call SWAT.
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Imagine blaming BHVR for players acting like scumbags...
Joke community!
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To sum this up. This is more or less a PSA, or a "The more you know" with the whole rainbow star thing flying across the screen. I may sound like a harsh and evil person. But I still do care about people's safety, none the less.
Not every person matched into a game is from the United States, Canada or even North America. Everyone connects from around the world and it only takes ONE person to ruin it for everyone. Nobody wants to hear "SHERIFFS OFFICE GET ON THE GROUND NOW!!" while 20 armed people with Flashbangs blow the door open. Not every department has "bang poles" either, which control the device. So it gets thrown in through a window.
There could be young children in there, it could land in a crib (Which it has occurred) and again. The bureaucracy wont change anything.
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