10/10 Game Changing Update 🎉 

Hopefully the sabotaging won't be too easy to abuse lol, but otherwise it's pretty cool so far.

Another concern is being able to keep consumed addons with a perk? Would this include Brand New Part or the syringes/styptic agents?

Is there a discussion about base generator times or is it mainly just toolboxes being looked at?

Thanks for clarifying and the fast response.

Any idea how long hooks stay broken now after sabo? Since they're all "essentially 99%ed" I could see survivors just popping hooks like they do now only they don't need to waste all that time 99%ing hooks ahead of time (which is really nice tbh)

I guess a more clearly stated question is.. how many hooks are toolboxes generally expected to last? Cooldown on Saboteur? Hook repair time?

Alternatively.. when is the PTB tomorrow lol. I'll see if anyone wants to do some science with me

Not a lot of coding* a lot of animations. the coding would be the same across all killers, just as it is with pallet breaks. and with killers that use standard breaking animations, they would share the wall breaking animations (ie trapper, micheal, hillbilly, etc) with height and weight tweaks so that the positioning of the animation is right based on their charecter model. Ie not the coding that takes a long time thats the short bit.

Making toolboxes more impactful, yet drastically reduced usability will limit them depending on how drastic that is. i only hope they account for using streetwise/killers using unnerving presence. I'm thinking (Following how past sabo penalties worked and other things) that it would probs be something like a 3:1 ratio. or whatever. 80 charges would be a full gen at 1.2 speed now (with a brown toolbox), but we'd probs see something like, 26/27 charges, and 1.2-3x speed. ie its much much faster, but you'd do only a small amount of the gen (like 33% similar to a brand new parts 25%)

TLDR for that section - it would increase survivor pressure a lot if done right, but can only be done once. also can be negated by applying pressure yourself. Also with franklins, removing 10% of a toolbox on hit will be HUGE with this change. Overwhelming presence will be NUTS. expecially in 3 gen situations, as the survivors will not be able to use toolboxes at all, essentially removing them from the game.

If they even made the charges on a toolbox lets say half at 40, for clean numbers sake. and then use overwhelming presence... that makes the charges 20! 20 charges of a toolbox ie what would normally be 20s. even if it was double the speed for the toolbox, at 2x. making the 20 charges done in 10s, that would mean you just used your entire toolbox in 10s for what is the equivalent of 1/4 the generator.... And we know they wouldn't make the toolboxes work at double speed as that would be absolutely broken. how can i prove this? if a 40 charge toolbox was used on a gen at double the rate, you would effectively spend a full 60s on the gen, which is already way more then a normal toolbox speeds up a gen by now.

Ie this is very much a toolbox nerf. and a overwhelming presence/franklins buff ironically enough. Even if you have max addons on a new toolbox, the most impactful time to use them would be in end game to prevent 3 gen strats. to quicken the endgame from stagnating due to killer pressure.

Gen rush is dead. Optimal play is required to use toolboxes to provide pressure now.

I like most of the changes.

I do not think the Sabo changes are healthy at all tho

Biggest concern is the quick hook sabotage. I've experience some gnarly groups abuse the hook sabotage as is. Its going to be even more intense with the quick hook drops.

You are making a lot of assumptions considering no numbers were given. They specifically made it sound like a single toolbox couldn't even do a whole gen. I would wait till after the testing things in the ptb before hating on it this hard. Plus that's the whole point of the ptb. If it's not enough they will make more changes.

Even faster toolboxes with less charges, sabo made easier, a new wall breaking mechanic that probably won't get implemented on the problematic maps that badly need it for months to years and some minor tweaks and QoL changes to 3 killers.

I'm sorry but I'm failing to see any massive changes here. In favor of killers anyway.

Honnestly the biggest news is that survivors will always lose their add-ons after a trial. And its not like you ever needed to bring items when playing survivor to have an easy time.

I dont think the ratio of charges to speed is going to equal the same at all. This seems to be an intentional nerf to toolboxes, and rightfully so. I imagine that the speed will be x1.5 or 2 and the charges will be reduced by about 66-75%. Thats just my speculation though an we will have to playtest to find out, but point is it should be a nerf.

As far as sabotaging changes go, they look to be more of a change then a nerf or buff. I think that sabotaging will be more viable in some situations and less in others. Lets say it takes 5 to 7 seconds to sabo a hook. There is no more 99% them. Since the killer can see auras of survivors near hooks, the chance given to change target hooks should be sufficient enough in most cases to warrant adaptation, but in some cases where there arent many hooks nearby, say in a corner of the map, this will be more challenging for the killer. As it stands sabotaging is a bit of a meme atm and i welcome the change. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think the wallbreaking abilities will be easy to supplement into the game with little coding and will be a welcome change to break those pesky loops for killers and hopefully bring some more balance to the game. I am unsure if it will be enough but it's a step in the right direction.

Bottom line is dont assume the worst until you can see it for yourself, and remember to give feedback.

Yeah just like how survivors needed ruin to be nerfed or for new killers to get nerfed to Oblivion. It's not like gen times and God loops have been a problem for a long time. Or maybe you think survivors need more second chance perks and NOED needs to be nerfed. People need to chill. Everyone is bitching before anyone can even test. Is that hard to wait 1 day before you complain and actually test the new mechanics before chatting on them?

The Developer Update looks really interesting. Those are very substantial changes! You are taking Sabotage in a much different direction than I would have expected but I really like where your head is at. Breakable walls sound awesome. I kind of hope you put breaking walls on some kind of cooldown or killers will just break all the walls early in the game and the map might as well not have had those walls in the first place. I think it's great either way. Plague and Trapper changes are both great. I'm really looking forward to this update.

I dunno about more strategy. I can't imagine walls would take too much time to break unless they were intended to be used to make things easier for you before a chase. Otherwise it'll just be like "See a wall? Break it". Open areas don't really help survivors at all, so there's no real thought that's put into breaking walls I would imagine.

It's a nerf to sabotage honestly. There's no buff to sabotage I can see. If you see a survivor standing near a hook, go to another one. If it's solos then no problem. Hooks respawn quicker and with Hangman's Trick you can see survivors near hooks when you down someone. The killer moves faster than survivors, so they can't change their sabo plan on the fly now because it takes a few seconds to sabo. It's not gonna be a drop and done anymore. Sabo will basically be dead.

Honestly you're probably gonna be flamed harder for standing at a hook waiting on a killer to go towards the one you're going to sabo only for him to see you, turn to another close by hook and your plan fails and you're doing absolutely nothing.

That is fine even if I disagree with you. All I wanted was for people to take to he time to test the new features before hating on them. The new killer is pretty dope though. Definitely my new main.

I agree he needs a slight buff but his reload speed actually feels really nice. Not too fast not too slow. I'm looking forward to it. If only I could get into games due to the absurd wait times. Kyf he I come.