I am about 80 percent certain the new sabo will start out way too strong

Sabo won't affect you if you camp slugs 😎

"however with a swf group say 1 guy is doing gens and two are saving for the chaser, this new sabo could just become a much less countable flashlight save and that especially in the current meta could end up a big problem"

Do you even read what you write? This would mean that only one person is doing Gens. Ever played Solo Survivor with your teammates taking a stroll across the Map? Thats how it feels when only one person is doing Gens, it will take way too long to do all the Gens alone, until then, all the Ressources are gone.

I know that people like to make things up, but lets not get too hilarious. If two people are following the Killer with Flashlights while he is chasing one person, this is one of the best scenarios. Same will be the case with two people following for Sabotages...

I dont think it will be too problematic. In fact, I guess nobody will sabotage anymore, in my opinion. But hey, its like always - something for Survivor is being changed and people see a problem. Cant wait for the Threads about the new Survivor Perks, where at least two will again be problematic (and then not be used at all, because Survivor Perks which get released are always bad).

The 2,5 seconds might sound too fast, however, if someone sabotages during the Pickup Animation, the Killer has so many Hooks he can choose. Hooks are so close to each other that there should be at least two other Hooks. 99ing the Hooks is way stronger (if coordinated), because you can sabotage in the Killers face, which will not be possible with 2,5 seconds.

MAYBE Sabotage will be more useful, because you dont need to waste so much time for preparation, which will not pay off, but I doubt it. If it turns out too strong, they will change it anyway, because Sabotage is a difficult topic, it should not be too viable, because it would negate one of the Core Mechanics of the game.

So maybe people should wait for the actual outcome instead of assuming and calling it a bad change... My guess would be that nobody will sabotage after the Change.

the sabo change will be very strong with sabo teams resilience, Saboteur, Unbreakable,ds with Alexis toolbox with sabo addons will be strong so I can see it being easy to bully in swf

I am 100% certain we should try it out first.

1. Sabo is 2.5ish Seconds
2. Sabo is disabled for 30 seconds after use
3. Saboed hooks are only gone for 30 seconds
4. It's a perk slot not running "meta"
5. There's a heck tonne of hooks, once you know they're saboing, look at your two closest hooks

Or, I've seen how reactionary everyone is to changes and like 95% of the changes the devs have done have been so far from as awful as the forums will say they will be that I'm more inclined to trust the devs over someones reactionary statement.

Wow, the flashlight changes were what, 2 years ago and only lasted 3 days, and mom only lasted 2 weeks.

SO MANY CHANGES THAT WERE SO AWFUL, it's almost like they fall into the 5% of changes that were actually bad that I was talking about.

Zzzz move along.

No one cares about rank.

I can only imagine that you brush using a REACH toothbrush.

You are right. Rank doesn't mean anything, but it does indicate which side you favor clearly.

How is this "shade"? I'm not going to waste time talking abaut balance with somebody who is obviously biased. Showing your current rank is best indicator that if you either play both sides as you claim. :))

If they are dumb enough to sabo during the pickup animation you can simply walk to another hook and still make it 95% of the time

Wait and see before crying.

I like the change so far, it makes it again a realisitc possibility to use sab build. I mean if you want to use half of your reworked toolbox to get rid of one hook, you can, you just have a choice to make here. And for the "toxic swf sab team" argument, it was already here, it's just that people needed to 99 every hook before, and they could instant sab, at least now you can see it coming.

My only concern is about the saboteur perk, I hope the cooldown is long enough to prevent abuse, but still interesting to give the perk value.

MoM was just a cheap way for the devs to milk cash, not really a balance issue

I guess that's why they are using a PTB, to see if this is what they aim for, and tweak it according to feedback. It's very rare that a new feature, in any multiplayer game is at the start perfectly balanced/

I don't trust the community to know better. At every single change, you have a larger number of players complaining that it's not balanced, either because they don't like it, because it threatens their playstyle, or because it is really unbalanced. If you listened only to the community, we would never get anywhere because anyway people will never stop arguig about what's right or wrong, and you can't be sure if they are not biaised about why they are complaing in the first place. And also, people happy with change don't come on the forums to complain...

That's why I think we should wait to see how it really turns out before calling for the end of the world..

As killer i am not looking forward to these increased sabo speeds. I am a bit worried to be honest. We will see how this pans out but i defo see lots of sabo squads the first week or so testing out their builds.

I think hangmans is going to be used a lot during the first week as a defense.

Im 99% sure that breakable walls will be way too op at the start

I was using saboteur for about 10 games for the ptb yesterday. It is SO MUCH fun

While it is a very powerful mechanic, its not anywhere near overpowered for me, heres why:

1. Out of every game i played (with and without it), i was the ONLY person in all my games going for sabos.

2. Just about every sabo i got i had to get downed, so i really just traded everytime. It also resulted in me getting tunneled many many times.

3. When you're hiding around waiting for the killer, youre not exactly doing anything for your team.

4. If the killer was smart, theyd see me before even going to the hook and just put them on another.

Overall, if you really look at it from a standpoint of just introducing something to add more fun, its great. And honestly competetively, i think its extremely fair and not many people are gonna be going for it, because what people forget it is that most purple ranks are immersed useless players who slithered their way into high ranks by hiding.

Im sure it will be nerfed anyway with how many killers are complaining on these forums without actually having it happen to them or just happen the minority of times

Also i think its a fair trade, killers get breakable walls plus the few other survivor nerfs this update and survivors get sabo buff

For one, They plan to implement breakable walls to all maps if it works out on that map in ptb

And Im not sure if you know, but the sabo'd hooks are only gone for thirty seconds (ten seconds with hangmans trick). And you also failed to bring up my other points. Theres perks for killers that are about the equivalent of saboing hooks like pop and corrupt intervention, saboing does not even slightly compare to deleting a gen from a game. And like i said, all you have to do is change direction for another hook. or just drop them and go for the saboteur.