Why are killers punished so much for doing their objective?

Personally I believe the current system is flawed. But I honestly think that there needs to be some sort of way for survivors to fight back to a certain degree. Your job is to get hooks, their job is to do gens and not get hooked. They also get rewarded for some how actually managing a save.

I don't really consider risk of being stun saved to be an issue. As this shouldn't happen often to any competent player.

Hook being sabotaged might happen though on the PTB that goes by pretty fast.

A game without borrowed...or DS. I don't usually get hit by borrowed or DS from my playstyle as I usually go after the unhooker if borrowed would effect me. DS sometimes hits me if I am too quick though in downing them though. I understand they are frustrating, especially at end game, where you probably already had a bad game. But I also think they should be in the game from a survivors stand point. Too many killers camp and tunnel, and that feels pretty horrible when it happens to me, and usually just makes games boring when it happens to others.

The other stuff I don't actually think matters, it's mostly BT, and DS. It's kind of like this really...you doing stuff that sets off BT and DS to be constantly being bothered by it feels incredibly toxic to the survivor side, so they get powerful tools and allows them to be toxic right back because of it. Blame all them camping, tunneling killers for it existing.

Slugging is really strong, I have no issues with slugging as a survivor, or playing as killer. It's easy pressure, especially if it's the one on the hook, one on the ground, and one in a chase strat. Survivors basically aren't doing anything, and BT, and DS also aren't a factor. It does get boring when a killer manages to end the game in 1 minute thanks to their one shot potential and infectious luck. But I'm sure the reverse is true if the gens get rushed to oblivion before they got really started. Both as of right now are basically a black pip, or possibly even a de-pip for both survivors and killers, so it isn't really good for either side.

I agree if the survivor isn't slugged, and has hooked someone else they need to have it deactivate. This will especially stop some of the more obnoxious behavior like...when someone saves a person from the hook, but you down them for their efforts, the unhooked person goes and unhooks the saver right in front of you. Both of them having borrowed time, and DS. It's very rare that it's happened, but it has happened before.

Killers aren't punished for pursuing their objective, at least not in the ways you described. Dead By Daylight is designed around two roles with conflicting objectives. The survivors want to escape, the killer wants to kill them before they can. That's the essence of it. It's basically a tug-of-war - any progress the killer makes on their objective makes it more difficult for the survivors to achieve theirs, and vice versa.

In a game where both sides are competing to achieve their objectives, it makes perfect sense that each side would have ways to sabotage their opponent's objective and thus further their own. Hook sabotages, stuns, blinds and other ways of rescuing teammates from the killer all fall into this category. The killer's ability to regress generators, injure survivors, slug etc. are examples of the reverse - ways the killer can hinder the survivor objective so that they have more time to complete their own.

Survivor perks which work based off hooks are not designed to punish killers for doing their objective any more than killer perks which activate based on generator completion are. Rather, they simply operate off the assumption that the opponent will manage to progress in their objective, and allow the bearer to mitigate the damage somewhat by using their opponent's success to bolster their own.

I disagree.

Survivors have way too many tools to effectively nullify a killers job to hook, especially with the sabo changes. Pallets, body blocking, flashlights, the new struggle perk, Unbreakable, DS, BT, BT body blocking, and BT locker tech, probably a few that I'm forgetting, and killers have either hooking, which gets countered by most everything, or slugging, which is countered by fewer things. Obviously, the latter is considered toxic, and ranking up is impossible slugging.

"it's mostly BT, and DS. It's kind of like this really...you doing stuff that sets off BT and DS to be constantly being bothered by it feels incredibly toxic to the survivor side, so they get powerful tools and allows them to be toxic right back because of it."

You realize people use BT to unhook behind the killers back, and then the unhooked body blocks, granting the "safe unhook" bonus for the saver, and if you don't smack them down because you're trying to be nice, they're still toxic. BT also triggers just for you barely sneezing on the map, since its based on your terror radius. Even if you have no intention of tunneling, it triggers. DS lasts way too long, I had a match where after they were unhooked, I hooked two survivors, downed them, and ds STILL was active. " anti tunneling perk" my butt. The perks are too effective, and killer perks aren't nearly as strong.

I don't slug because I find it boring, but I know it's truly the only effective strategy with few counters.

Definitely one of the stupidest post I read on here, and I "main" killer. Although, I admire how you're trying to manipulate people. If you're still young you should think about studying politics.

"Waste time carrying survivors" you could have stopped there and it would have been the perfect troll.

The reward is dead survivors don't work on gens.

I wouldn't go so far as to say slugging is more effective as a killing method, but it certainly is rising in popularity as a method of ensuring survivors die on the hook. And I agree with you that that's not an ideal state of affairs because while effective, slugging isn't much fun for half the players.

While I do believe that players should be encouraged to employ any tactics they choose, and killers shouldn't be punished by things like the ranking system for playing effectively, ideally the devs would find a way to support tactical diversity and encourage fun and sportsmanlike gameplay at the same time.

Well it's okay to have different opinions on things. I don't ever get pallet stun rescues done on me, or flashlight saves. Maybe once in a blue moon I'll get body block saves were the entire team decides to take a hit. But I don't actually care because I just injured the entire team, and none of them were doing gens just to make sure I couldn't hook that one person. Unbreakable doesn't sabotage the killers ability to hook, it's an anti-slug perk. Break Out's 20% isn't strong enough to actually break anyone out unless a hook is decently far away.

So really the only problems to me anyways, because I don't see the rest as strong enough to be a problem, Is DS, and BT. BT actually isn't that bad, but I don't think it should be terror radius based. It should be proximity based.

However if they try to unhook the moment you attempt to leave, I call that the I'm sacrificing myself unhook. It's actually great for me as a killer, because they have no time to stop me from picking them off, and if the person with borrowed time tries to body block which they usually don't have time to do, you can ignore them and slide past them as they will only slow you down for a brief moment. And if they persist you can down them after 15 seconds ends. Slug them, and continue your chase after that person. Person slugged isn't doing gens, you'll more than likely have both down before the first's DS is up.

If they wait until you are almost gone, walk back anyways while counting 15 seconds in your head. You should be able to figure out what to do at this point, if they decide to use Borrowed Time to body block. Move past them or wait till it's over and slug them. You may not like the idea of slugging, but if you don't want to be hit by DS pick your poison.

Survivors who are not cocky little ######### will wait until you are gone before the unhook, which means BT is a wasted perk because you don't actually camp right?

As for DS I stated before it needs to disappear when the survivor isn't slugged, and someone else gets hooked. It's no longer an anti-tunnel perk at that point as someone else getting hooked is plenty of time to gain some distance.

"Waste time carrying survivors" That's a new one. My mind is blown.

If you want to slug at five gens and hook everyone once, go ahead. It's boring and pretty scummy for survivors who have to wait for games, but play how you want.

Because the DEVs don't play killer

I would actually like to see which ones play killer if there are any, and if they have made it passed rank 15 or not.

where as if a killer is too effecient they do get penalized, the survivors are also too effecient or sneaky (stealth) they get penalized as well. for instance a survivor that ends up on the other side of the match from the action by hook or crook, and doesnt' even see the killer helps do the gens and then opens the gate will be penalized because they will get no chaser emblem, will get no or little progress in altruism etc. they will how ever get light bringer well up and perhaps but not always survival well up this means they may still depip just for doing the job of a survivor too well.

Do you want to be playing games where the gens are done in 5 minutes or games where everyone dies on first hook? No becaues it's not exciting and boring as hell. The objective of the game is actualyl to please the entity, and short/boring games do NOT please the entity.

actually no this is not equivalent. here is why: when you escape via hatch, you get the 5000 point ESCAPED scoring event which keys into the respective emblem AND you get another scoring event that furthers your emblems as hatch escape. BUT when you down someone during egc and let the entity take them the killer does not get the hook scorring event and thus does not go to the respective emblem, but you do get the sacrifice tick and points that DO factor into the emblem. so you are incorrect in your equivalency, survivor gets more emblem progress in the situation you brought up. you are correct though about pushing gens fast does "punish" people by limiting their emblem progress, though it's not much of a punishment when people WANT to depip.

I agree. I think DS is a fine perk, it just needs to deactivate when a survivor goes in a locker or touches a gen. That would cut down on the abuse and not give them invulnerability for 60 seconds.

This game is unplayable for me without DS as a solo. The randos I get lumped with would make DS a joke they get hooked so easily and often. Actually, I rarely need to use DS maybe 1 out of 10 games - I just need the threat of it to instill a little honor into killers.

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