Noed is balanced, change my mind.

I agree it is balanced. I don't use it myself since I know most high ranks will destroy every totem they find, plus placements are god awful. The way I see it, is that if it activates, then either find it, or leave the match. I can't tell you how many survivors I have watched be mowed down because they wanted to try be that BT DS hero in End-Game.

Just because surviviors have DS doesnt mean NOED is completely fine. Both DS and NOED need changes, because they are both unfair and annoyimg to play against.

1. NOED has the strongest cleansing protection of all perks
2. NOED does not require ANY sort of build up or preparation (tokens or sum shiet)
3. Despite points 1 and 2, NOED still has the strongest effect in the game (exposed + haste)
4. It slows down the game by over 80 seconds, yet its treated as an endgame perk
5. Its impossible to know if the perk is in play or not, so most of the time you counter non existent perk.
6. In comparision, Devour Hope is weaker in points 1 and 2, it has THE SAME or even weaker effect (point 3). That alone proves its not 100% right, its stronger than similiar perks for no reason.

So whats MY problem with NOED? I dont have a problem with cleansing protection alone, but it should require effort from killer too. There should be some sort of token system that would control the power of the perk.

There are 2 reasoms for that

1. Making NOED bad option for hard campers, who exploit the perk the most
2. Making NOED possible to discover by surviviors who are waching the killer closely and will notice when they are collecting tokens for NOED. For example like when you can see the killer has Devor when you see them running away from the hook in panic. (This point is an "additional objective", its not necessary)

How would I fix NOED?

Make NOED only usable on people you have hooked before (like Moris are now)

Sure, When we make it not cleansable as a totem that can be found by happenstance.

So NOED is supposed to be Hex because (insert reason here) but other, weaker Hex perks (all of them actually) can get #########. Wow thx. Its not like you need to cleanse 5 time totems compared to other perks already

I agree that Hex perks need a slight buff, bit NOED is the last perk that needs it. NOED literally has a cleansing protection built in (insidious to surviviors and 5 totems to cleanse it before its active)

It's almost as if those hexes are more useful during early game and have other bonuses to compensate.

Thrill: literally tells you when to go save a totem.

Devour: Grants noed one hit AND you can mori.

Huntress: progressively makes skill checks harder throughout if not cleansed.

Third Seal: makes saves, unhooks, dying state heals, etc much harder due to not seeing anything.

Ruin: well, let's be honest, its had a rough time, but it still slows gens the ENTIRE game unless cleansed.

Now onto Noed: only activates at end game, if not cleansed already, and when noticed, will almost ensure the other survivors leave or cleanse it immediately.

Unlike the others, it is not used at all until the last few minutes of the game, and against halfway competent survivors wont even activate.

I use noed a lot now gens just go so fast even against bad survivors I just had a game as Freddy (without noed) I didn’t slug at all and they finished 2 gens very fast so then I did start slugging even with 2 slugs on the ground gens kept going (I was also in the asylum map) between horrible unbalanced loops and all the second chance perks mixed with gen speed I absolutely dread killer and have been putting off my killer challenges (even tho I wanna play killer..while survivor is stress free

Its almost as if most of these perks are ######### (compared to NOED).

Thrill: and what are you going to do with that information? Maps are so big you wont even get there in time. Its ~21 seconds at max stacks. Also, doesnt do anything if cleansed first.

Devour: yes you are right, except you need to collect actual TOKENS for it to work. Also it can be cleansed immediately. And lets be fair, 5 stacks NEVER happens unless you are destroying the other team, aka you dont need to mori.

Huntress: again, requires stacks. By the time you get to anything useful (3-5 hooks) its going to be gone.

Thrid Seal: have you ever seen it work? Because I didnt. Again, gets cleansed as soon as you get all people blind

Ruin: its not terrible, but you get value only after you start applying pressure, and most of the time its gone by that time. Not to mention it blocks usage of all meta gen regression perks. You cant even compare it to NOED

NOED: 1 shot AND 4% haste, no tokens required, much harder to cleanse before its active, no sign that its even in the game, wastes you a lot of time even when its not there (like DS).

Camping with NOED guarantees you a 2k without doing anything, even decent surviviors cant do much agains noob camper with NOED

From the perspective of what it does, it is balanced. The killer only has 3 perks throughout the game for a massive power spike at the end. Seems fine. Seems very similar to Adrenaline. Beyond that, it should not be nerfed because it is pretty much the only really good general killer perk in existence. It is basically THE saving grace for new killers who don't have any/many teachables yet. Double that if they are on a killer with terrible personal perks (looking at you Wraith).

However, Noed has a telegraphing problem. Unless you are able to figure out what all 3 of the other Killer perks are, whether you need to cleanse totems or not requires a lot of guess work. Even with doing that, Noed is hardly the only perk that is incredibly difficult to notice its effects so the guess work remains. There are only two concrete times the game is like "Oh by the way, Noed." The first is when the killer is running right at you... you might notice he's faster but by then it's kinda too late. The second is after he hits someone which is really too late.

What I'd like to see is add in what I call "smoldering totems". They're lit a little bit but not as much as a Hex totem is. Then, have Noed upgrade dull totems to smoldering ones.

Also after doing that they should add in other perks that upgrade dull totems to smoldering totems and do something a little like what Thrill of the Hunt does... where it gives you X% better Y for each totem still on the map.

I love how people say NOED punishes bad survivors. I think NOED rewards bad killers.

The exposed status effect isn't really too much of a problem. I just really don't like the haste boost. That's all I have to say.