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I'm never playing another survivor game without DS again
I know a lot of people hate this perk but it's absolutely needed especially if you solo queue.
Killers are tunneling and proxy camping like mad men lately..
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Thank the Ruin nerf.
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Oh please. It has nothing to do with Ruin. Gens go too fast now so the solution is to tunnel and camp? PLEASE. That gives everyone else time to get those gens done very quickly. Killers always tunneled and camped and they always will.
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If every survivor had your opinion, DS would be next on the chopping block.
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This.
Ruin nerf changed nothing regarding Killers and the way they play. Camped, tunneled before and still do it like always.
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This doesn't match my solo queue experience at all.
I think a lot of people stretch the definition of "camping" and "tunneling" when it really isn't.
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DS isn't going to help against a camper; and it will only help against someone tunneling to a small extent; and yes, the answer is actually to tunnel. If you can eliminate someone quickly, whether that be by tunneling them or other means, that's a HUGE amount of pressure on the remaining survivor. Ruin wasn't required for killers to win. It was required for them to play nice. With ruin gone for BS reasons, killers have stopped giving a crap about survivor fun.
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DS isn't going to help against a camper so I'm not sure why you mentioned that; and it will only help against someone tunneling to a small extent; and yes, the answer is actually to tunnel.
If you can eliminate someone quickly, whether that be by tunneling them or other means, that's a HUGE amount of pressure on the remaining survivor. Ruin wasn't required for killers to win. It was required for them to play nice. With ruin gone for bogus reasons, killers have stopped giving a care about survivor fun.
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DS is nice when you're trying to play seriously.
You'll notice a pattern. New killers will hook and camp, gens will get done, they'll find the role unfun and complain.
It's cause you're just standing there or doing laps.
Who cares if a survivor gets rescued and healed. They're off gens for at minimum 30 seconds. When they don't heal you know they're going for gens and you need to check the 2 closest gens to that hook.
I dunno I feel like its hard to explain. I'm too much of a memelord to be a teacher too.
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I dont like DS, but I dont like getting tunneled/camped either
I think the devs should nerf DS and BT to the ground but also implement a mechanic that softens the effects of camping and tunneling.
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It's a mandatory perk.
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Okay. No one is saying you're mot allowed to use it always.
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If your teammate makes the save despite being camped, yes it will help against a camper. That camper is just also a tunneler now. Killers never cared about survivor fun, don't even try to pretend otherwise.
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Not really. A camper is just going to now camp your team mate. I could say the same thing about survivors caring about killers fun. "Don't even try to pretend otherwise". For your own sake, don't get into it with me. Your ego will crumble to pieces.
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REALLY?! LOLOLOL
Bro, if killers didn't care about survivors fun, you'd see mori's every game. As it stands, killers have hundreds of mori's stock piled and don't use them. A lot of them go out of their way to play fair. Just for survivors, like yourself, to spit in their face and expect them to kiss your ass. Nah dude, you have no idea what you're on about. Killers are by FAR the most empathetic ones. Even I know that as a survivor main.
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Ruin nerf means people with killers that need early gen slowdown literally don't have the time to dance around for surv amusement. You're just seeing MORE of killers not "playing nice" because of the message from the devs to killers with the nerf: we don't care about why you need the perk in the first place because in our eyes gen times are fine as they are, just apply more pressure. So killers are "applying pressure" where they see fit. Welcome to the new meta.
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I havent even unlocked DS cause I won't use it and I escape most matches as solo.
I guess it's like a drug, some people can function without it and others need it to function at all. *shrug*
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^ This, just this.
I have so many moris stocked, and with the help of BBQ I get atleast one mori back every match. Which means I could bring one EVERY SINGLE MATCH.
However I purposely choose against it, because I know how ridiculiosuly unfun they are. And I see the majority of the killers do the same, judging by how few moris I actually see around.
Survivors on the other hand very frequently bring their strongest stuff. I see the same DS, BT, DH, Unbreakable + items + map offerings on 2 survivors minimum atleast every second match as killer.
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DS causes more tunneling, its the endless cycle:
Everyone who uses DS is partially responsible for all the tunneling, even if they are "just using it so that they dont get tunneled".
Everyone says that, but then an innocent killers get DSed because there was still 5/10/15 seconds of the DS timer left...
And now that innocent killer starts to tunnel on purpose, so he doesnt get DSed by someone crawling out of exit gate ever again.
He assumes that everyone has DS, so he tunnels everyone, countless innocent surviviors without DS get tunneled in the process.
They swear reverenge against tunnelers and equip DS.
And so it begins again...
They are not even aware that it was their friends that created this monster, now they are going to create even more of them with their own hands...
In the end DS becomes meta nad we fall into the spiral of hate.
ONLY YOU CAN STOP IT.
SURVIVIOR:
UNEQUIP YOUR DS NOW
ENLIGHTEN YOUR FRIENDS, DO IT TOGETHER
PROTEST AGAINST ABUSE OF INNOCENT KILLERS
KILLER:
DONT JUDGE, DONT TUNNEL
NOT EVERY SURVIVIOR IS A MURDERER
STOP THIS SLAUGHTER NOW, BEFORE YOU HURT PEOPLE PRECIOUS TO YOU
LETS STOP THE TUNNELING TOGETHER, KILLERS AND SURVIVIORS, DECISIVE STRIKE IS OUR COMMON ENEMY
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You really want us to believe you were the only survivor not running DS?
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So true.
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Ds has always been necessary. As much as killers dont like it, the chances of coming across a camping/tunneling killer are just too high or you get survivors who rush the hook before the killer even has a chance to move away in which case the killer will often go after the person who is already injured.
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I don't disagree with DS being needed however, whole builds are built around second chance perks and when you run against groups that all have the same build or similar, then it defeats the purpose of the killer outside of a Mori. In the current meta, that's gamebreaking. You can't even have variety like that in killer builds that are viable in the current meta because you already have to address gen rush, since the devs won't do it. Then people complain why they face the same killers with the same perks and the same tactics.
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Since neither tunneling or camping is a bannable offence. People see the need in running second chance builds in case killer does do that. Since those perks are counters to tunneling and camping you can’t really change them. It’s the same evil cycle like the one above. If you make tunneling and camping illegal for the most part you could start changing those perks but as it is right now I don’t think that anything will be done about it.
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DS and BT wouldn't be mandatory if the game's design didn't allowed camping and tunneling.
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The importance of tunneling has skyrocketed since the ruin nerf. If you're applying appropriate pressure as killer, 3 survivors do generators literally half as fast as 4 survivors. So getting that first person out of the game is huge. I can tell you personally I've incorporated tunneling into my playstyle much more since the ruin nerf, since it's usually the smartest thing to do. I used to care about that first person's fun, but not so much anymore since devs want to baby survivors so much.
The argument that hooking different people spreads pressure around is just wrong. Regardless of who you hook, they're gonna get unhooked, heal, then do gens. So yeah you want to disrupt survivors on generators and maybe hit them, but when it comes to downing and hooking someone you want to prioritize the person you've already hooked.
Camping, yeah against good survivors it's rarely the right thing to do. But I think a lot more killers are doing it in protest since they know it ruins games for people and they're mad about ruin.
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I don't run DS unless I'm getting a lot of killer attention in sessions and I run trials with randoms mostly.
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Ironically when I have DS, I don’t usually get tunneled, but the second I decide to take it off the killer just KNOWS and will tunnel me til I’m dead, or try to at least. And that’s why I bring DS to every game.
whenever I try to play “fairly” as survivor OR killer, the opposition will notice and take full advantage. so I stopped trying to be fair for the sake of other people, since they don’t have the same respect for me. and that’s fine! :)
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Wow, this kid needs some serious help. This ego trip screams of desperation. DS will help vs a camper, seen it happen too many times to discount it.
As for tunneling, it only works vs bad survivors. If they are worth their weight in pocket lint they will be able to pop gens during your singular focus while offering a single extra body to slow down your attempt to "quickly " dispatch someone. That is one of the top reasons I don't focus on a tunnel plan. It depends on playing vs bad survivors. Add in the limited perk setups that assist in tunneling and the game gets too boring too fast.
Gen pressure is still the best overall strategy, but requires a fluid play style and an understanding of each map. I main Trapper, but can still hold my own, even though I admit the lack of alternative objectives for survivors often make it much more of a hassle these days. Gens are quite fast.
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I don’t use DS and sometimes I die, sometimes I live. I’ve found iron will, kindred, calm spirit and spine chill much more useful.
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As long as your ready to depip while they rush those gens I say go for it
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Exactly this. Killers played the same before the Ruin-Nerf, it is kinda cheap to blame the Devs for the ######### playstyle, lol.
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Wise decision. Sadly DS is needed these days. If the Killer notices you dont have DS, you are practically dead.
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Agree. Besides the fact i have all perks unlocked, the times a DS would make a diference in a match is minimal... and im a solo when playing surv. I rather not get caught perks.
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My logic still stands.
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Yes it has to do with gen speed. killers are forced to tunnel and camp because the only chance of having a decent result in the game now is to get a survivor out of the game as quick as possible. If you perform 4 hook action on 4 different survivors you will still have to deal with 4 survivors doing gens. And since 4 survivors can do 4 gens in less than 2 minutes the game is not playable. I don' t like tunnel and camp but there is no other way of playing the game unless you wanna get genrushed in 2 minutes. Everyone with a brain understands that the game is utterly broken right now. you down one survivor and 3 gens get popped. what do yoi expect?
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Spoken like a true survivor main. I bet you complained about the rework to old MoM and you want back the ability to recharge SB while running?
Ruin was a band aid over a serious problem. It didn't help much but it was something. Now that band aid was removed and all the blood is pouring out. By blood being a metaphor for the killer community. Lots of killers simply don't have early game pressure or a way to end chases quickly. Ruin was the devs lazy attempt to address that. It didn't work on good survivors but it kept the newbies where they belong. Now that it's gone the newbies are ranking up and that's why your que times suck.
My personal opinion. If you NEED DS, your not a good survivor. If you NEED noed your not a good killer. BT is perfectly fine.
If the killer wants to tunnel and face camp you to death that's their choice, not yours. If the killer is face camping the rest of you get an easy game. If you stop drooling over the hook save bp you can do the rest of the gens and get out. That killer isn't going to rank up, not that rank matters with this MM. Majority of killers that camp usually suck. Good killers realize it's better to pressure gens or hunt someone else than stand there ensuring that one person dies.
Me, I do what is best for my game. If I see you unhook right in front of me I assume BT+DS so I go after the one who made the save. If I'm patrolling and see 1 healthy and 1 injured survivor, the injured one is my target. It don;t matter who clicks a flashlight in my face or tries to body block. The injured one is going on the hook cause that's the best choice for "my" objective.
TL:DR. Devs made killer's job harder so they are going to fight dirty. Blame the devs for their broken mechanics not the killers. Without them you don't have a match and the way things are looking, your que times aren't going to get better.
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